omg, wow, intereview with Apple about their G5, cought with their pants down

[digitalsm]

From where? Name a manufacturer, that any of us have heard of, that sells preassembled systems backed with their multiyear warranty.

BoxxTech. Ive heard of them, alot of people have heard of them. Comes with a three year warranty. True they only focus on graphic design, animation and video pcs. But they do make great systems at a fairly good price point.

 

[digitalsm]

And any $2000 system that has onboard ATi Rage graphics or equivalent and no AGP slot, is not a desktop.

BoxxTech m4 is based on nForce 3 Pro 150. They offer a wide range of graphics cards from Radeon and GeForces, to Quadros(not avalible on Mac) and WildCats(not avalible on Mac).

 

[Pariah]

If Boxxtech is the best and only company you can come up with, you're argument doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

Edit:

I just looked at their site, and by their own classifications, they only sell workstations and servers. No desktops.

2nd Edit:

Hell Dual Opteron systems are the same price as the dual G5 system, and maybe the 2.0Ghz Opteron will come down from the insane price buy time the G5s actually are released.

I don't know where you are getting your pricing from, but judging by Boxxtech's prices, dual Opterons are FAR more expensive than similarly equipped G5's. The slowest Dual Opteron system with DVD-R drive and gigabit ethernet is $3300.

 

[digitalsm]

Also, I just looked at their site, and by their own classifications, they only sell workstations and servers. No desktops.

The dual G5 is a god damned fvcking workstation no matter how much Apple PR tries to spin it as a desktop. BoxxTech is a well respected company in the animation industry.

 

[Stang289]

MAC sucks.

WOW, I am glad you graced us with your limitless knowledge. You have probably saved me tons of research time. I now know that I shouldn't buy an Apple G5, because dmw16 provided me with all the information I needed to know.

If you don't have anything worthwhile to add to a post...(well, you probably know the rest)

 

[sniperruff]

the main problem is:

who needs a 64-bit DESKTOP now anyway???

oh well i've always hated apple and its one-button mouse. their laptops are sexy but no dice!

 

[Pariah]

Boxxtech's systems come with either WinXP Pro or Win2k Pro preinstalled. Neither being a 64-bit OS, making the system a glorified 32bit system. Without a 64bit OS a system can hardly be considered 64bit.

 

[Stang289]

I use a Logitech wheel mouse with my eMac. OK, now that the one button mouse problem is solved...

 

[digitalsm]

Boxxtech's systems come with either WinXP Pro or Win2k Pro preinstalled. Neither being a 64-bit OS, making the system a glorified 32bit system. Without a 64bit OS a system can hardly be considered 64bit.

They will install 64bit Linux if you ask them too.

 

[digitalsm]

who needs a 64-bit DESKTOP now anyway???

If MS gets Windows XP Pro 64bit out the door by years end, and Alias Wavefront gets a 64bit version of Maya out by Q1'04 Id by a dual Opteron system. However niether is likely. And I prefer Maya over Houdini.

 

[Pariah]

So basically, the argument you are trying to make is that a $3500 dual Opteron system running Linux is a comparable desktop equivalent to a $2000 G5 running OSX? Good luck convincing anyone of that ridiculous claim.

 

[digitalsm]

Umm since when is the dual G5 $2000? Its $3000. And when speced the same, they are the same price...

But the point remains, apple was not the first to have a viable 64bit platform.

 

[Stang289]

Apple does offer a 64bit G5 system for $1,999. It is not dual processor, but it is 64bit.

 

[UNCjigga]

I don't consider any machine costing 2 Gs and upwards a 'desktop'...that's all workstation territory according to me and my wallet!

 

[acejj26]

Originally posted by: Pariah
Boxxtech's systems come with either WinXP Pro or Win2k Pro preinstalled. Neither being a 64-bit OS, making the system a glorified 32bit system. Without a 64bit OS a system can hardly be considered 64bit.

OSX isn't 64 bit yet, so the G5 isn't a 64 bit computer. It will be when they update the OS later on this year.

BTW, the G5 is a workstation. Dual procs, GHz FSB, dual channel DDR400, 1.5GB SATA, gigabit ethernet. How isn't that a workstation?

 

[Pariah]

The slower Apple systems are 64bit as well. The comparison is slowest to slowest. If you want highend Opteron, just upgrading the CPU's and the price soars past $4500, which no one is going to use as a desktop.

I should add as well, that Boxxtech's flash based website is a piece of garbage that is a navigation nightmare.

 

[zsouthboy]

Originally posted by: shuttleteam
You can also say the following...

A Bus stops at a BUS station.
A Train stops at a TRAIN station.

My desk has a WORK station.

We also call them worksatans.

-DAK-

Anyone else find that typo amusing?

 

[digitalsm]

Apple does offer a 64bit G5 system for $1,999. It is not dual processor, but it is 64bit

Thats not really the point.

The point is. Apple does not have the first 64bit desktop, nor do they have the world fastest desktop as their ads say. Its all PR, and it will be intresting to see how the dual 2GHz G5 stacks up against dual 2Ghz opterons.

 

[Stang289]

Isn't the fastest Opteron currently out a 1.8Ghz (Opteron 244)???

 

[Pariah]

The point is. Apple does not have the first 64bit desktop,

Not yet, but it will be soon. What makes a G5 a desktop and the Boxxtech not, is the software bundle. The Boxxtech has none, and the Apple has loads of preinstalled home use only software (what workstation has a use for the iLife suite?). The Apple comes straight from the manufacturer ready to use as a home system. The Opteron can be adapted to be one, but as I said above, so can a quad Xeon, that doesn't make it a desktop.

 

[digitalsm]

The 2.0Ghz will be out August 4. Its prices are expected to be high at first due to yeild issues.

 

[zzzz]

Originally posted by: zsouthboy

Originally posted by: shuttleteam
You can also say the following...

A Bus stops at a BUS station.
A Train stops at a TRAIN station.

My desk has a WORK station.

We also call them worksatans.

-DAK-

Anyone else find that typo amusing?

I think it is not a typo.

 

[digitalsm]

Wont it take Panther for the G5 to truely be 64bit? Maybe Im mistaken.

But if thats the case, well the G5 wont be a 64bit system till November. Also I must make another point, Apples high end system sales have been slagging for the past few quarters, and arent forecasted to rise much with the G5.

 

[Stang289]

The version of OSX jaguar that is on the G5 is optimized for the G5. I just read that on apple.com

 

[mosco]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Pariah
Bickering over something like that is just dumb. It's all semantics. What exactly differentiates a desktop from a workstation? Basically what the owner uses the system for determines what it is. If I bought a quad Xeon and stuck it under my desk and surfed the internet with it and played games it would be my desktop, but no one who saw a system like that for sale would call it a desktop. We all known AMD thinks of the Opteron as a workstation/server CPU while the Athlon64 will be the desktop variant. From that standpoint, the G5 is the first 64bit desktop. Does it matter? No more than AMD beating Intel to it, which means practically nothing.

but basicly a desktop is a mainstream computer, the g5 isnt that, the imac is apples mainstream computer

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Uh, to you guys that keep saying the G5 isn't "mainstream" or is a workstation. I have a powermac G4 that i use as my personal computer. I don't use it as a workstation. Alot of Mac users buy powermacs even though they use them as personal computers. A dual 2Ghz G5 is something i can see someone using as a personal computer, a dual opteron is not. The commercial doesn't say "the fastest most powerful computer today" as someone said earlier, they said "the fastest most powerful personal computer". Thats a direct quote and thats exactly what it is, "no matter what spin" you guys want to put on it.