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OMG I can't wish my constiuents Merry Christmas!!1

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Gonad the Barbarian

Lifer
With tax payer funds.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/201123-amid-holiday-greeting-uproar-house-eyes-new-mail-rules

House leaders have been sent new guidelines on what can be said in official congressional mailings amid an uproar over the ban on holiday greetings such as “merry Christmas” and “happy Hanukkah.”

Members were indignant this week after it was reported that the House manual on “franking” — taxpayer-funded mail from Congress — includes a long-standing prohibition on specific holiday greetings. Under the rule, lawmakers can only wish constituents a generic “happy holidays” in official correspondence.

Reps. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) and Mike Ross (D-Ark.) blasted the Franking Commission for enforcing “political correctness” and circulated a Dear Colleague letter calling for the holiday greeting ban to be lifted.

“The Franking Commission should not be in the business of limiting Members from addressing their constituents in the manner they chose,” Walsh and Ross said in a statement.
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I'm shocked to see Joe Walsh, likely the biggest douche in congress, leading this nontroversy. Wonder if he wants to use taxpayer funds to cover his kids' Christmas presents as well.
 
Why should the congress send holiday greetings at all?
It's not the task of the government to do that.

It they wish to send them to people they know or their electrocs, then they should use their own money.
 
Murloc said:
Why should the congress send holiday greetings at all?
It's not the task of the government to do that.

It they wish to send them to people they know or their electrocs, then they should use their own money.
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Why do liberals only seem to be for limited government (Not saying you are a liberal) when it comes to things like this? Yet when we want to spend 25 million to study shrimp running on a treadmill its stimulus or science or whatever.
 
Murloc said:
Why should the congress send holiday greetings at all?
It's not the task of the government to do that.

It they wish to send them to people they know or their electrocs, then they should use their own money.
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I'm gonna have to agree with this. The fact that Congress is allowed to spend government money on something like greeting cards is ridiculous as it is. You're being allowed to spend government money, consider yourself lucky that all you have to adhere to is separation of church and state.
 
I saw something about this on Fox's "war on Christmas" but government money should not pimp religion in any form.
 
Zebo said:
I saw something about this on Fox's "war on Christmas" but government money should not pimp religion in any form.
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Overall I'm a bit disappointed with the 'War on Christmas' hysteria this year; we used to have such wonderful culture wars and now it seems that nobody cares that the 'libruls' are stealing Christmas.
 
Who the fuck cares?

Political correctness has gone way too fucking far. Seriously, if you can't get over the idea of an elected official saying "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hanukkah" you need your fucking head examined and don't belong in society.

What the fuck does it matter to you if a Congressman sends a donor/rival/friend/whatever a card that says "Enjoy your Kwanza"? Does that suddenly mean that Kwanza is the official religion of the United States? NO! So stop fucking acting like it does.
 
drebo said:
Who the fuck cares?

Political correctness has gone way too fucking far. Seriously, if you can't get over the idea of an elected official saying "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hanukkah" you need your fucking head examined and don't belong in society.

What the fuck does it matter to you if a Congressman sends a donor/rival/friend/whatever a card that says "Enjoy your Kwanza"? Does that suddenly mean that Kwanza is the official religion of the United States? NO! So stop fucking acting like it does.
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Separation of Church and State is not political correctness. To send out cards celebrating a religious holy day using taxpayer money is for the State to promote that religion.

The only realistic way for the State to properly represent its constituents without bias is for it to be secular.
Government is about the transfer of money for the welfare of of the People. Unless you believe the government can buy your way into heaven, what the hell does it have to do with religion? It's about the nuts-and-bolts operation of this world, not some magical other-world.

Madoka's Sacrifice doesn't ask any more of us, anyway.

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And for the government to send out "Remember Madoka" cards every day, while interesting, would end up cheapening the meaning of Her Sacrifice.
 
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I pity your useless excuse for a life. I really, honestly do.

You are so seething with anger, I'm surprised you have any room inside you left for basic life functions such as breathing.

Perhaps if you stopped trying to control every little aspect of every other person's life, you might enjoy yours a bit more and thus not be so enraged when someone's opinion differs from your own.

Seriously, LOL@U.
 
drebo said:
Perhaps if you stopped trying to control every little aspect of every other person's life, you might enjoy yours a bit more and thus not be so enraged when someone's opinion differs from your own.
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The government isn't a person, moron.

Jeez, fucking idiots can't even get basic facts right. No wonder your conclusions are ridiculous.

L2think.
 
The seperation of Church and State is not there to prevent members of government from partaking in religion. Since most of the US is Christian, there is no problem with him/her wishing them a Merry Christmas. Anyone who gets offended by someone wishing them a great day has problems which need professional help.

Seriously, the 25th of December is Christmas regardless of anyone's religion. Just like the 25th of Kislev (9th month of the Jewish Calendar) is the start of Channukah regardless of anyone's religion and Ramadan is the 9th month of the Islamic Calendar regardless of anyone's religion.

In a mostly Muslim nation, I would expect to be wished Ramadan Mubarak (Blessed Ramadan) at the start of Ramadan. I would not be offended that someone wished me a blessed month...that would be stupid.
 
Personally, my bigger issue is that they're wasting taxpayer money on something that is simply campaigning on the public's dollar. The clerk at the DMV doesn't send me a Christmas card; why would any public employee feel the need to send me one? Oh yeah, because they're the one who needs to be reelected.

Sometimes, I feel that my intelligence is being insulted by some of those pandering mailers that my legislator sends me. Else, I feel disappointed that Joe Public is too stupid to see them for what they really are. Last summer, got one from my state legislator asking for my input on some issues. "Do you think I should vote yes or no on the following legislation." Every one of those issues - I wouldn't need a survey to know what 95% of the responses are going to be, based on how the questions were asked. ("Should the budget for the state prisons be increased which would allow the inmates to have access to 70" televisions instead of the existing 32" televisions?") And, it also made me question the ability of my legislator to make decisions - we voted this person into office specifically for this purpose - and they can't fulfill that primary obligation?
 
Pretty sure Christmas is a national holiday and it's pretty much a secular thing except for the religo-nuts who try to turn it into something else. I see no reason someone who works for Government wouldn't be able to wish their constituents "Merry Christmas"
 
bfdd said:
Pretty sure Christmas is a national holiday and it's pretty much a secular thing except for the religo-nuts who try to turn it into something else. I see no reason someone who works for Government wouldn't be able to wish their constituents "Merry Christmas"
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Are you sure you are not currently stoned? You think people who say Christmas is a religious holiday are nuts?

Uh....do you really not know what Christmas is?
 
cybrsage said:
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Are you sure you are not currently stoned? You think people who say Christmas is a religious holiday are nuts?

Uh....do you really not know what Christmas is?
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Yeah I know what Christmas is, it's a retarded mix and mash of different pagan traditions that the Christians hijacked and moved Jesus's birthday too. There was another thread somewhere about Yule, you know "Keep the Yuletide gay", anyways it's just a celebration before the end of the year to be thankful for another successful year. It matters not that it's called Christmas or Christ's Mass.

BTW I'm as non-religious as could be and I still love me a good nativity scene. Some people really get it right with their light setups.
 
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Pretty sure Christmas is a national holiday
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President Ulysses S. Grant declared Christmas a legal holiday in 1870. The bill to make Christmas a holiday was introduced into the House of Representatives by Rep. Burton Chauncey Cook (Illinois). It was approved and passed to the Senate on June 24, 1870. When both houses had agreed on the wording (below) it was passed on to President Grant, who signed it on June 28, 1870.

Here is the wording of that act of Congress:

An Act making the first Day of January, the twenty-fifth Day of December, the fourth Day of July, and Thanksgiving Day, Holidays, within the District of Columbia. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the following days, to wit: The first day of January, commonly called New Year's day, the fourth day of July, the twenty-fifth day of December, commonly called Christmas Day, and any day appointed or recommended by the President of the United States as a day of public fast or thanksgiving, shall be holidays within the District of Columbia, and shall, for all purposes of presenting for payment or acceptance of the maturity and protest, and giving notice of the dishonor of bills of exchange, bank checks and promissory notes or other negotiable or commercial paper, be treated and considered as is the first day of the week, commonly called Sunday, and all notes, drafts, checks, or other commercial or negotiable paper falling due or maturing on either of said holidays shall be deemed as having matured on the day previous. APPROVED, June 28, 1870 by President Ulysses S. Grant.
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bfdd said:
Pretty sure Christmas is a national holiday and it's pretty much a secular thing except for the religo-nuts who try to turn it into something else. I see no reason someone who works for Government wouldn't be able to wish their constituents "Merry Christmas"
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Maybe the CHRIST part in CHRISTMAS, i dunno.

BTW I'm as non-religious as could be and I still love me a good nativity scene. Some people really get it right with their light setups.
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My three boys go to Catholic school. But I don't expect govt to pay for it nor pander to religion in public flyers. The constitution prohibits it.
 
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eskimospy said:
Overall I'm a bit disappointed with the 'War on Christmas' hysteria this year; we used to have such wonderful culture wars and now it seems that nobody cares that the 'libruls' are stealing Christmas.
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Prolly cause the CONartistSERVATIVES are too busy Christmas shopping, going to Christmas parties, their kids are on Christmas break, their kids are in a Christmas play or their family is in for Christmas.

Yes my point is that people are not having an OUNCE of trouble celebrating this holiday about make believe things carried over from pagan traditions.
 
Zebo said:
Maybe the CHRIST part in CHRISTMAS, i dunno.



My three boys go to Catholic school. But I don't expect govt to pay for it nor pander to religion in public flyers. The constitution prohibits it.
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yea I don't care about the christ part. its kind of like how gay has changed meaning. hell listen to older christmas songs and they talk of yule. nat king cole in christmas song mentioms choirs singing yule songs ffs. christmas in modern america is not a areeligious holiday.

just to make note I don't support tax dollars doing this, but a politician would do right by their constituents imo if they sent out holiday cards.
 
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Congress should not be wasting tax dollars on any kind of holiday greetings at all.

The free postage perk was intended to allow them to communicate useful information about their work, not as free campaign funding.

I'd say at this point the perk should be removed entirely in favor of a web page, but they'd probably manage to spend ten times as much running the server.
 
cybrsage said:
This shows you do not know, or are purposefully being stupid.

And you are wrong, you are not non-religious, you are anti-religious. The difference is pretty stark.
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no you are taking what I said out of context. retarded was used as an adjective for the mix mash of things that it is created from. I am not anti-religion.
 
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