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OMG, Bill Richardson (New Mexico) running for president

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PhoenixOrion

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- the guy can't even form his own opinion, is the worst debater on tv, and is a staunch lefty especially on immigration.

has has no f***n prayer, what's he thinkin?
 
Considering some of the other candidates we got right now, his chances are pretty good in my opinion.

Can anyone tell us more about the guy? I personally know next to nothing about him.
 
Question to you Yanks: Who looks like a good moderate electable person? I don't care for either party, just wondering who strikes you folks as the best possible candidate.
 
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
- the guy can't even form his own opinion, is the worst debater on tv, and is a staunch lefty especially on immigration.

has has no f***n prayer, what's he thinkin?
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If I didnt know any better I'd say you were talking about John Kerry
 
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
- the guy can't even form his own opinion, is the worst debater on tv, and is a staunch lefty especially on immigration.

has has no f***n prayer, what's he thinkin?
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I wouldn't say he's exactly left wing on immigration, he seems to be a flip-flopper in that regard:

* Declared state of emergency on Mexican border. (Nov 2006)
* Path to legalization if illegals pay taxes & learn English. (Nov 2006)
* Reduce immigration; no automatic citizenship for kids. (Nov 1996)
* Guarantee human services to illegal immigrants. (Nov 1996)

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Originally posted by: yllus
Question to you Yanks: Who looks like a good moderate electable person? I don't care for either party, just wondering who strikes you folks as the best possible candidate.
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IF(and its a big IF) they stop pandering so much Hillary can/could be moderate and ditto on John McCain.

I imagine John Edwards or Wesley Clark could be good moderates too.........but they just arent as big of players as your Clintons, Obamas, McCains etc.
 
I am totally soured on Richardson after watching him botch the handling of Los Alamos security.
Once he targeted Wen Ho Lee---it was my mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts. Just
what we need, another cock sure GWB type.

But as other posters point out, the 08 field is over stuffed with idiots of all kinds. On the bright side
we can cheer when one idiot after another falls by the way side. We just may not find who is left very
attractive. Leaving one to wonder if the Ralph Nader idea of being able to vote for none of the
above would be a better option.
 
Richardson did get the endorsement of the NRA in his reelection for governor last year so he isn't exactly liberal on all issues.
The Democrats I believe need to run to the RIGHT of Republicans like McCain on immigration ... that is enforce the laws and protect the border and crack down on illegal immigration while at the same time increase options for legal immigration. They need to do this in a way as to not piss off Hispanic voters. Richardson, because he is Hispanic, could be a strong and credible voice in changing the debate on immigration.

A lot of people are saying he is running for Veep so he won't be attacking anyone except the administration and the Republicans.
 
He spoke at my daughter's college commencement a few years back. Based solely on that speech he seemed to be a lot closer to being a normal rational human being than the vast majority of politicians I have heard. I'm willing to give the guy a listen as none of the current front runners in either party exactly ring my bell.
 
"mishandling of Los Alamos"- nice spin.

The problems at that facility weren't of Richardson's making- hell, it's probably been an issue since the Reagan years...

It's not like he changed the security protocols, rendering them ineffective...

As it turns out, the whole thing was apparently a tempest in a teapot, blown out of proportion by repub partisanship...

The usual convenient soapbox routine... Lots of arm-waving and finger-pointing, signifying nothing...

http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,56567,00.html

Hey, it's not like he outed a CIA operative...

 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
"mishandling of Los Alamos"- nice spin.

The problems at that facility weren't of Richardson's making- hell, it's probably been an issue since the Reagan years...

It's not like he changed the security protocols, rendering them ineffective...

As it turns out, the whole thing was apparently a tempest in a teapot, blown out of proportion by repub partisanship...

The usual convenient soapbox routine... Lots of arm-waving and finger-pointing, signifying nothing...

http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,56567,00.html

Hey, it's not like he outed a CIA operative...
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Some of the fiercest criticism about Richardson's failures as DOE Secretary came from Democrats. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
- the guy can't even form his own opinion, is the worst debater on tv, and is a staunch lefty especially on immigration.

has has no f***n prayer, what's he thinkin?
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Who do you consider to be a moderate?
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Some of the fiercest criticism about Richardson's failures as DOE Secretary came from Democrats
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Cite it. Meanwhile, I'll cite this-

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/06/19/los.alamos.01/index.html

Shelby, Kyl, Goss- the usual suspects...
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/fedagencies/jan-june00/richardson1_6-21.html

KWAME HOLMAN: Members of the Senate Armed Services Committee were joined by colleagues from the intelligence panel this morning for what largely turned out to be three hours of sharp, bipartisan criticism and questioning of Energy Secretary Bill Richardson. It was Richardson's first testimony on Capitol Hill since the discovery last month that two computer disks containing nuclear weapons data were missing from his department's Los Alamos laboratory in New Mexico. They were recovered by the FBI on Friday behind a copying machine at the weapons facility. Armed services chairman John Warner set the tone for the hearing.
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KWAME HOLMAN: The committee's ranking Democrat, Carl Levin of Michigan, noted there have been other instances of suspected security lapses at Los Alamos during Richardson's tenure.
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SEN. ROBERT BYRD: I have to say, I am not calling for your resignation at this moment, but you have shown a supreme, a supreme contempt of the committees of this Congress. When you decided that you would go-- if the newspaper stories are correct-- when you decided that you would go before the Intelligence Committee when you were ready... you weren't ready yet?that was a supreme act of callous arrogance, and I resent it. I think it's a rather sad story that you had a bright and brilliant career that you had never, that you would never again receive the support of the Senate of the United States for any office to which you might be appointed. It's beyond... you have squandered your treasure, and I am sorry.
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Byrd is a Democrat. Levin is also a Democrat.
 
Please, Balt-

Byrd's criticism wasn't directly wrt what happened at Los Alamos, but rather wrt Richardson's refusal to appear before congress prior to having a full set of facts. Byrd thinks that Richardson should jump through whatever hoops he holds up, whenever he says so... Richardson answers first to the President, then to congress. Clinton said wait, Richardson waited- it's that simple.

And none of the Dems called for his resignation, either...

And Levin? jumping up on the Grandstand next to the repubs? "noted there have been other instances of suspected security lapses at Los Alamos during Richardson's tenure." WTF is that supposed to mean, anyway? Sounds like Iraqi WMD's from here...
 
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