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OMG a politician wants to pass a good law????

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DisgruntledVirus

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http://www.eufaulatribune.com/...rate_pedophiles/58765/

More than three million American children are victims of child molestation - that?s according to the Child Molestation Prevention Organization.

Almost half were violated by repeat offenders.

Now, Talladega County Representative Steve Hurst of Munford wants to surgically castrate convicted pedophiles older than 21 who?s victims are younger than twelve years old.

?You take a child who?s completely helpless. They have no way to defend themselves. And someone does something of this nature to them, you have literally destroyed that child for the rest of their life,? says Hurst.

?If it?s an urge they can?t control? the castration certainly would take care of that problem and protect neighborhoods, communities and future victims,? says Jefferson County Mike Hale, who supports the idea, which is now officially House Bill 252.

Hale says his deputies re-arrest at least 30% of the child molesters who are parolled.

He wants to send a stronger warning to predators:

?I think they would see this as a threat - from even committing one crime to start with. If the word got out that Alabama would castrate you if you molested a child, that would send a pretty strong message,? says Hale.

But the ACLU sees it differently.

They?ve opposed the castration idea before in other states, arguing first: that inmates might agree to it, thinking they?ll get released early. Secondly: that it should be free to anyone who wants it.

Jay Jacobson of Texas argued back in 1997 when that state was debating a similar bill:
?Why shouldn?t the Legislature make this available to anyone who feels that this is a problem ? whether they have been convicted or not, if they?re so concerned about public safety??

This bill will come up before the Alabama House Judiciary Committee in the next few weeks.

Hurst is also proposing another bill that would allow a judge to give the death penalty to someone who rapes a child less than six years old.
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I 100% agree with this guy on both bills. Death penalty for rape of a child <6, chemical castration of child molesters with victims <12, and I hope both are passed.

The ACLU has some merit on the second point, and I agree with that. The only other issue I could have with this is with people who were wrongly accused and convicted.

EDIT: After reading that+thinking about it some more....

It's a great idea in theory, but unfortunately is a horrible idea when implemented in today's society. The stigma's with these cases, the assumed guilt of the accused, etc.

 
I would just recommend locking them up for life.

Child molestation should carry a life sentence with no possibility of parole.
 
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I'm for it in cases with ABSOLUTE proof. Otherwise no. Nothing irreversible if there can be ANY doubt.
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+1

Especially with people convicted on children's testimony and not medical proof. Not saying that it is not sickening what happens, but testimony alone with no medical documentation (IE, a 17 year old saying a Priest molested her when she was 6) should not be enough for castration, or death.
 
How often do kids get 'coached' on what to say by parents once a person gets accused?

I'm not saying that there aren't terrible people this should happen to, I just think our society is FAR too quick to assign blame in these cases, because they are so emotionally driven, and there's far too much error in our legal system to do something like castration.
 
Originally posted by: actuarial
How often do kids get 'coached' on what to say by parents once a person gets accused?

I'm not saying that there aren't terrible people this should happen to, I just think our society is FAR too quick to assign blame in these cases, because they are so emotionally driven, and there's far too much error in our legal system to do something like castration.
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It also does nothing to stop the impulses to molest. I doubt that this would be overly effective in the long run.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: actuarial
How often do kids get 'coached' on what to say by parents once a person gets accused?

I'm not saying that there aren't terrible people this should happen to, I just think our society is FAR too quick to assign blame in these cases, because they are so emotionally driven, and there's far too much error in our legal system to do something like castration.
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It also does nothing to stop the impulses to molest. I doubt that this would be overly effective in the long run.
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Maybe start injecting them with estrogen would be more effective 😛
 
I'm not sure where I stand on such a law for a number of reasons(one, I don't know if it's effective; two, there have been proven cases where a child essentially lied), but I would say it should have equal applicability to a man that exploits anyone of any gender at any age. For example, I would think a rapist should get the same punishment as a child molester in this regard.

imo.
 
Cruel and unusual?

As others noted one would have to be 100% certain without any sort of doubt at all, and I don't think that is always possible.
 
Cruel and unusual ... nagga nagga nagonna happen.

Also with what o/p said, you're equating rape to murder. So now instead of just raping kids, they'll kill them also. Great thinking!

I hope you realize this is why people go to school for Public Policy... they learn about these things called consequences rather than just talking down from some emotional high horse. But let me get in line with a pitchfork: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
 
Originally posted by: actuarial
How often do kids get 'coached' on what to say by parents once a person gets accused?

I'm not saying that there aren't terrible people this should happen to, I just think our society is FAR too quick to assign blame in these cases, because they are so emotionally driven, and there's far too much error in our legal system to do something like castration.
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Pretty much every time it's a jail bait with angry parents vs guy that's 18+?
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
this is an absolutely terrible idea, and completely beyond the scope of the crime.
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Screw that, beyond the scope of the crime my ass, how would you like to be ass raped when you were 8? Fuck it, put the rapists nuts in a vice, set the building on fire and give him a rusty butter knife, IMO.
 
Originally posted by: halik
Cruel and unusual ... nagga nagga nagonna happen.

Also with what o/p said, you're equating rape to murder. So now instead of just raping kids, they'll kill them also. Great thinking!

I hope you realize this is why people go to school for Public Policy... they learn about these things called consequences rather than just talking down from some emotional high horse. But let me get in line with a pitchfork: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
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Doubt it'll happen, and I really don't get emotional about stuff (just ask my gf). I am looking at this from the standpoint of the crime affects that child for the rest of their life, so the punishment should affect the perp for the rest of their life as well.

I am equally fine with life in prison, and let the other inmates handle their punishment as well.
 
While I may like the idea in principal, the reality is much like the death penalty if we cannot be 100% certain on 100% of cases we have no business doing irreversible things.

I would much rather keep them in prison for life.

Viper GTS
 
Originally posted by: halik
Also with what o/p said, you're equating rape to murder. So now instead of just raping kids, they'll kill them also. Great thinking!
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I always thought this was an interesting argument. If the people who are committing rape cared about the laws/consequences in the first place, why are they committing a felony that already carries a steep punishment?

They are criminals, they don't care about the law by definition.
 
Fix your title, he wants to SURGICALLY not chemically castrate.

I think this is a terrible idea. Child molestation is a terrible crime, but it is a crime that when accused you are already guilty in the eyes of a jury and those accused are typically railroaded. So to take a crime that tugs are people's heart strings such that the jury assumes guilty until proven innocent and then force them to have a SURGICAL (diff from chemical mind you) procedure is total BS.

EDIT: Forgot to mention this seems like a clear violation of that pain in the ass Bill of Rights. Always ruining the fun of idiot politicians.
 
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