• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Olympic speed skating: WTF just happened?

Page 4 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
1. There is one ref and two assistant refs in short track, they all came up with the result with the Korean DQ'ed
2. Ohno has been accused of cheating once that I can recall, and that was in Dec which there was no proof of. Theres a difference of being accused of cheating and actually cheating.
3. You mean the asian media
4. The korean CLEARLY cross tracked, did Ohno raise his arms? Yes, he had to or he would have slammed into the Korean, and would have taken out 3 people with them, and well yeah it was to draw attention to the fact, the Korean DID cross track
 


<< all the other players who raced with Ohno, say he plays so dirty that it makes them throw up. how come we never talk about that? >>


See my above post: "It's only illegal if you get caught."



<< one more fact, all the foreign media are reporting that Ohno stolen the gold medal that belongs to the Korean guy! does that tell you something?? >>


Link? I like to think I keep up with a lot of foreign media, and I haven't seen anything of the such. I've seen one or 2 articles disagreeing with the official's call, but they also seeemed to concede that Ohno would have won fairly had he not been obstructed by Kim.



<< of course, Ohno has become a hero of ours and we want to defend our own hero but if something is wrong, we need learn to admit it. maybe we will keep the gold medal this time but can anyone guarantee that these kinds of behaviors from us, americans wont' affect the way the world think of us and therefore harms us in certain ways? for example, what can we say if in the next olympics held in other countries, our players got cheated? can we complain? no because they will say we did the same thing before. >>


Players from all countries will bend the rules as much as they can without getting caught. Sorry, but if the situation would be reversed, I wouldn't try and say that Kim "stole" someone else's medal.
 


<< Oh hes also the World Record holder at 1500m, and is called the fastest person on ice in the world of speed skating... >>

Errr... no. His events so far has been on the short track and that is far from being all speed. Keep in mind that there are no real time records kept (thus no "world record" in skort track unlike speed skating where Van Velde breaks world record in the 1,000 meters). Short track is more like NASCAR racing as mentioned by Nefrodite.
 


<< one more fact, all the foreign media are reporting that Ohno stolen the gold medal that belongs to the Korean guy! does that tell you something?? >>



Do you actually have anything to back that up at all?

I found this link on BBC which seems pretty impartial. Nothing about "stealing" at all. maybe because the South Korean cheated and got caught?
 
They do keep times Ohno does has the short track 1500m world record, I forgot who one the second semifinal heat, but whoever it was has the Olympic Record, and yes short track is all about speed, just watch the 500m. The 1500m isnt as much about speed, its also a recent addition to the olympics. The 500 and 1000 are about speed, if you dont have the speed you arent ever going to be able to pass. So is the 5000m relay. And Ohno has been called the fastest on ice by several other skaters(not just american).
 
I honestly don't think the first race with Ohno that the Korean guy tried intentionally to take him down - if you're falling it's an automatic reflex to try to grab something to keep yourself from falling. I do feel bad for Ohno that he got screwed but he knew that it was a reflex - that's why he didn't bitch about it like he did (rather pointed out) the Korean guy who cut him off. Oh and all you anti-USA bastards - please shut up.
 
can someone tell me where i can find a stream or download of the reply. PM me or respond here. Much appreciated since I want to check it out myself. Thx! 🙂
 


<< while(U=idiot){
shutup(U);
} >>



lol



<< come on, people.
when judging players, at least try not to be so biased! you think the korean player cheated? what about Ohno? did he play all clean?
why didn't the referees say anything about Ohno's cheats??
all the other players who raced with Ohno, say he plays so dirty that it makes them throw up. how come we never talk about that? >>



First off, provide us with some type of incident where Ohno cheated. Granted, I haven't been following his progress that much, but never once from any media outlet or incident report have I heard of Ohno cheating.



<<
one more fact, all the foreign media are reporting that Ohno stolen the gold medal that belongs to the Korean guy! >>



Again, show us all the foreign media that is proclaiming he stole it.



<< does that tell you something?? >>



Yeah, if it's true, it isn't anything to be surprised about. If the US does anything good or bad, they'll still slam us for it. If we win events legitimately, they'll find some twist to discredit it.



<<
of course, Ohno has become a hero of ours and we want to defend our own hero but if something is wrong, we need learn to admit it. maybe we will keep the gold medal this time but can anyone guarantee that these kinds of behaviors from us, americans wont' affect the way the world think of us and therefore harms us in certain ways? for example, what can we say if in the next olympics held in other countries, our players got cheated? can we complain? no because they will say we did the same thing before. >>



I honestly could care less what the world thinks. They can form their own opinions and make up whatever stories they want to, but Ohno was nowhere at fault here. Viewing the video it can be seen clear as day on what happened. On top of that, they were international, not American judges that handed out the disqualification. If you want to show that there was some type of bias, then go after the international judges in the event. Trying to pull a 180 and put blame back on Ohno is the weak way out of a confrontation.

 
Ive seen the replays several time, Sung was in the outer lane and literially stepped over right into Ohnos path(the inner), the fourth place guy is pissed because if Ohno hadnt of done what he did(stood up to slow down, the hands up IMHO was a protective measure incase he did hit Sung), the fourth place guy would have gotten gold. IMHO the judges made a good call. Dunno what the Koreans want the ISU and IOC to do, rewrite the rules after the event, and award a very bad sport a gold medal? I dont think so...
 


<< while(US!=winner) {
DQ(winner);
} >>



LOL... Remember Roy Jones Jr at 1988 Summer Olympics. Where? Seoul, South Korea. I think it's called "home field advantage"
😉
 
Wasn't the winner DQ'd in the first race that Ohno was in too?
What's the point of this sport if you can't block the other guy? Why not just space them out and have them all scate separately? When you have 5 guys right next to each other going 30mph, what do you expect. I bet if the American did the same to the Korean, he would not have been DQ'd. No way the judges would take the heat for that.
Anyways, this olympics is a big scam. Just whiner olympics. Not to mention all these retarded sports.
 
Dunno which first race you meant, the 1000m or his first heat for the 1500m.

In either case nope. In the 1000m, you saw what happened. In the heats for the 1500m, in the first heat, Ohno finished third, the top three in the quarters move on. The semi's the top two. The people that beat him in the quaters advanced. And I believe the Italian guy beat him in the semi's. So no you are mistaken.
 
This olympics is tainted in my mind. It's a popularity contest.
This will be stacked right next to 1980 and 1984 Olympics in my mind.
Big asterick.
And wtf is this. The russian skier was disqualified for too much hemoglobin without any drug test. Hemoglobin is naturally occuring in blood, and there is variation between people. What's next, DQ someone for too big muscles or for skiing too fast?
 


<< What's next, DQ someone for too big muscles or for skiing too fast? >>



LOL

you are damn right! because we are american! :disgust:
 
She wasn't DQ'ed as she didn't race, the drug test results are tomorrow. The Russians were told of the high levels, and well IMHO they are trying to hide doping, as Russia pulled her from the 4x5km team but couldnt replace her, they aren't complaing about her blood, they are bitching because they didnt have time to replace her. And its not the USA's fault. I dont see how its tainted, almost all other olympics have had massive doping problems. The Russian skier better hope that the drug tests come back without a trace of EPO, or shes going to be stripped of her two silvers she won this year and will be barred from sking Sunday in the 30km...

edit: whoops I read wrong, edited the medals she won this year
 


<< She wasn't DQ'ed as she didn't race, the drug test results are tomorrow. The Russians were told of the high levels, and well IMHO they are trying to hide doping, as Russia pulled her from the 4x5km team but couldnt replace her, they aren't complaing about her blood, they are bitching because they didnt have time to replace her. And its not the USA's fault. I dont see how its tainted, almost all other olympics have had massive doping problems. The Russian skier better hope that the drug tests come back without a trace of EPO, or shes going to be stripped of her four gold and one silver she won this year and will be barred from sking Sunday in the 30km... >>


This woman has won 9 Olympic gold medals with no doping ever detected or alleged. Do you think she is going to throw it all away by doping now? I think Russians were DQd because they were the favorites, and western European countries got a break. Had she raced, the Russians would have won that medal. Of course if the drug tests come back positive, she deserves that, but if not, then Russians were robbed of the gold with no proof, and I hope you come back here and apologize for your comments about doping.
 
She WAS not DQ'ed nor was the team she was prevented because SHE FAILED A BLOOD TEST, from winning a previous race, and the time had already passed for changing the line up for the russian team. If you fail the blood test, they do a urine test. Its highly unlikely anyone gets above the max amount allowed by the IOC without drugs. Its not like the max the the avg joe's red blood count, its higher than that, but there is a point where its highly improbably without the use of drugs. And in any form the US has no control over the IOC doping policies. Thats what this was about, the IOC. The IOC has strict rules against doping. Also I believe this is the olympics they have been able to test for EPO(correct me if Im wrong), I believe they have only been able to test for it the past couple of years, with a huge bust in a World Cup last year. I know it wasn't tested for in '92 or '94, and Im not sure about '98.
 


<< She WAS not DQ'ed nor was the team she was prevented because SHE FAILED A BLOOD TEST, from winning a previous race, and the time had already passed for changing the line up for the russian team. If you fail the blood test, they do a urine test. Its highly unlikely anyone gets above the max amount allowed by the IOC without drugs. Its not like the max the the avg joe's red blood count, its higher than that, but there is a point where its highly improbably without the use of drugs. And in any form the US has no control over the IOC doping policies. Thats what this was about, the IOC. The IOC has strict rules against doping. >>



What are you talking about? She was disqualified from racing in this event. Disqualification can happen before or after the race? And also, before preventing an athlete from racing, they better be sure she did something wrong. High hemoglobing results are not certain or else they wouldn't be doing urine testing. She should have been allowed to race, and if she failed the drug test, stripped of her medal. Not completely prevented from racing without any proof.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top