Older workers outnumber teens in the workforce

Lanyap

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Another consequence of the continued bad economy. I am naming it Workforce Constipation.

Two of the grocery baggers at my local Publix are in their 80s. They always ask me if I need help taking my groceries to the car. :)


When 70 Is the New 17
Older workers outnumber teens in the workforce

by: Diane Cadrain | from: AARP Bulletin | July 20, 2010


Teresa Ghilarducci wasn’t surprised when the U.S. Labor Department recently released statistics showing that for the first time on record there are more older workers than teens in the nation’s workforce.

“Seventy is the new 17,” says Ghilarducci, director of the Schwartz Center for Economic Policy Analysis at New York’s New School for Social Research. “Seniors are now overrepresented in low-income jobs normally associated with teens.”

Typical is Dave Adams, 78, who retired from Connecticut manufacturer Fafnir in the early 1990s. He first went to work as a grill chef and dishwasher at a fast-food place. Now he works 25 to 30 hours a week at the West Hartford Senior Center, he says, “setting up tables, doing mailings, monitoring the fitness center—whatever they need.”

“Senior employment surpassing youth employment is a ripple effect of a horrible economy,” said Carl Van Horn, director of the Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers University. “Older workers are being laid off or forced into retirement, their 401(k)s are losing value, and they’re forced to take post-retirement jobs to feed their families.”

Until now, Van Horn says, “they wouldn’t have been interested in working modest, entry-level jobs, but now they’re willing to settle for much less.”
In 2008, workers 55 and older represented 18 percent of the workforce and younger workers only 14 percent. By 2018, older workers are expected to make up nearly one-quarter of the nation’s labor force.

The Labor Department began collecting such statistics by age in 1948. This is the first time the numbers have shown workers 65 and older exceeding the ranks of workers age 16 to 19.

Though the increase in older workers may have accelerated with the recession’s onset, the trend has been under way for more than 20 years as the huge baby boom generation ages.

Old or young, job seekers face a daunting challenge these days.

Olivia Meny, 19, a rising sophomore at Clark University in Worcester, Mass., started looking for a summer job in March, applying for camp counselor jobs, and found nothing. After arriving home for the summer at West Hartford, Conn., she spent three or four weeks scrounging for work at dozens of retail and food establishments.

“Some places would say they were accepting applications but not hiring. Other times, I would walk into a store, and someone would tell me they were hiring. But then the hiring manager would say, ‘Why did you fill out an application? We’re not hiring.’ ”

“It was discouraging,” she says. “I need the money for tuition. I like to work, I want to work,” She eventually landed a job as a restaurant hostess at $9 per hour.

Gene Burnard, publisher of the career website Workforce50.com, sees the same kind of discouragement among job seekers at the other end of their lives.

“I get e-mails daily from people saying, ‘please find me work,' ” says Burnard. “We’re all seeing older workers in places like Dunkin Donuts, CVS and Starbucks.”

“Historically, teens and young adults made up the bulk of the restaurant industry workforce,” says Annika Stensson, director of media relations with the National Restaurant Association. “But now that demographic is changing. Those older employees will be a critical source of employees for the restaurant industry.”

Diane Cadrain is a freelance writer, attorney and art quilter in West Hartford, Conn. She writes frequently on employment issues.

http://www.aarp.org/work/working-after-retirement/info-07-2010/when_70_is_the_new_17.html
 

hal2kilo

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Another consequence of the continued bad economy. I am naming it Workforce Constipation.

Two of the grocery baggers at my local Publix are in their 80s. They always ask me if I need help taking my groceries to the car. :)




http://www.aarp.org/work/working-after-retirement/info-07-2010/when_70_is_the_new_17.html

It will only get worse if they increase the Social Security retirement age to fix the budget. Instead they should increase the income cap, and possibly means test some of the benefits. It really won't take much. Medicare on the other hand..........
 

Zebo

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Baby boomers what do you expect? From hippies to "me" and the most spend thrift generation ever surprises you they can't retire? Wait until Obama's cat food SS commission gets done with them.
 

JSt0rm

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Baby boomers what do you expect? From hippies to "me" and the most spend thrift generation ever surprises you they can't retire? Wait until Obama's cat food SS commission gets done with them.

exactly. Baby boomers are the worst thing to happen to this country. I foresee massive additions to the coffers of churches as they get closer and closer to death. The only good thing to come is maybe there will be lots of end of life advances made so when I get there I will live longer.
 

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Hmmm...older people want to work? Not a big surprise to me...MOST older people have far better work ethics than young people, and it's not just the current generation either. Hell, I think that's always been the case. Yesterday's young people slackers have turned into today's best workers.

Why should a business hire an older worker?

They usually have their "relationship problems" far behind them.

Very few are more concerned about the upcoming party...or hungover from last night's party...

MOST of them realize that work is a necessary evil...like it or not, the job has to be done by someone.

Very few older people think they're so special that they need to be treated like kindergartners to get them to accept a job.
 

Hacp

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Hmmm...older people want to work? Not a big surprise to me...MOST older people have far better work ethics than young people, and it's not just the current generation either. Hell, I think that's always been the case. Yesterday's young people slackers have turned into today's best workers.

Why should a business hire an older worker?

They usually have their "relationship problems" far behind them.

Very few are more concerned about the upcoming party...or hungover from last night's party...

MOST of them realize that work is a necessary evil...like it or not, the job has to be done by someone.

Very few older people think they're so special that they need to be treated like kindergartners to get them to accept a job.

Move along grandpa. I need your job. Die already :D!
 

ShawnD1

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Hmmm...older people want to work? Not a big surprise to me...MOST older people have far better work ethics than young people, and it's not just the current generation either. Hell, I think that's always been the case.
fo sho
Old people generally don't move around to different cities, deal with college, start families, get pregnant, etc. After decades of soul crushing defeat, they also have lower expectations and don't get pissy when their job sucks shit and breaks the law all the time.

As a young person, I once was fired because I asked too many questions about how the drug company was fudging a lot of lab results and skirting the law all the time. An older person would have known not to question any of it.
 
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Chaotic42

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I think the whole concept of retiring for many years is gone. I'm 28 and although I am saving for retirement, I don't expect it.

I guess I'm lucky that I love my job. I hope it still exists in 2060. :p
 

ShawnD1

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I think the whole concept of retiring for many years is gone. I'm 28 and although I am saving for retirement, I don't expect it.

I guess I'm lucky that I love my job. I hope it still exists in 2060. :p

I hope I die before that point. That way I don't need to make such hard decisions.
/hardcore liberal

lol @ Logan's Run. That movie was fucked up.
 

Bateluer

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Hmmm...older people want to work? Not a big surprise to me...MOST older people have far better work ethics than young people, and it's not just the current generation either. Hell, I think that's always been the case. Yesterday's young people slackers have turned into today's best workers.

Why should a business hire an older worker?

They usually have their "relationship problems" far behind them.

Very few are more concerned about the upcoming party...or hungover from last night's party...

MOST of them realize that work is a necessary evil...like it or not, the job has to be done by someone.

Very few older people think they're so special that they need to be treated like kindergartners to get them to accept a job.

This. QFT.
 

Lanyap

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exactly. Baby boomers are the worst thing to happen to this country. I foresee massive additions to the coffers of churches as they get closer and closer to death. The only good thing to come is maybe there will be lots of end of life advances made so when I get there I will live longer.


Wrong. First, it's not the BBs fault that their parents decided to have so many babies in the 50s & 60s. Times were good then and ripe for raising families. Hippies were only a small percentage of BBs during the sixties and by no means reflect the average BB then or now. Most BBs grew up in a strong middle class life and have strong work ethics. If it wasn't for the strength that BBs provided over the years you would be living in a 3rd world like country now. The US would not be as technologically advanced and people would not have the high standard of living that they have now.

Some of you younger folks complaining about BBs remind me of the typical teenager that thinks they know everything and they don't know shit about life. Then when they grow up, mature and realize that the older folks telling them stuff have lived through it and learned and knew what they were talking about. Pffft.

I am a Baby Boomer and proud of it. :)
 

JSt0rm

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I am a Baby Boomer and proud of it. :)

of course you are. I have thoughts on this issue but no time right now to go into it. I will try to respond later but please feel free to read this...

http://www.superseventies.com/worstgen.html

"The Worst Generation" by Paul Begala I hate the Baby Boomers. They're the most self-centered, self-seeking, self- interested, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing generation in American history. As they enter late middle age, the Boomers still can't grow up. Guys who once dropped acid are now downing Viagra; women who once eschewed lipstick are now getting liposuction. I know it's a sin to hate, so let me put it this way: If they were animals, they'd be a plague of locusts, devouring everything in their path and leaving but a wasteland.

If they were plants, they'd be kudzu, choking off ever other living thing with their sheer mass. If they were artists, they'd be abstract expressionists, interested only in the emotions of that moment -- not in the lasting result of the creative process.

If they were a baseball club, they'd be the Florida Marlins: prefab prima donnas who bought their way to prominence, then disbanded -- a temporary association but not a team. Of course, it is as unfair to demonize an entire generation as it is to characterize an entire gender or race or religion. And I don't literally mean that everyone born between 1946 and 1964 is a selfish pig. But generations can have a unique character that defines them, especially if they are the elites of a generation -- those lucky few who are blessed with the money or brains or looks or skills or education that typifies an era. Whether is was Fitzgerald and Hemingway defining the Lost Generation of World War I and the Roaring Twenties, or JFK and the other heroes of the World War II generation, or the high-tech whiz kids of the post-Boomer generation, certain archetypes define certain times. You know who you are. If you grew your hair and burned your draft card on campus during the Sixties; if you toked, screwed, and boogied your way through the Seventies; if you voted for Reagan and believed "Greed is good" in the Eighties; and if you're trying to make up for it now by nesting as you cluck about the collapse of "family values," you're it. If not, even if demographers call you a Boomer, you probably hate our generation's elite as much as I do. Let's start with the Sixties, the Boomers' dilettante ball. While a few courageous people like John Lewis and the Freedom Riders risked their lives -- and others like Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner gave theirs -- the civil-rights movement was led by pre-Boomers like Martin Luther King Jr. (who would be 71 if he were alive today) and continued without strong support from the Boomers on college campuses.

Still, I must say this: If you were one of those young people who did risk their lives to fight racism in the Sixties, who put their bodies on the line to register voters, who marched and sang and taught and preached against segregation, you stand as the best refutation of my anti-Boomer tirade. In that one moment of conscience and courage, you did more with your life than I've done in all the moments of mine. In a generation of selfish pigs, you were saints. But the reality is that most campuses did not become hotbeds of unrest until the Boomers' precious butts were at risk as the Vietnam War escalated. They didn't want to end the war because they were bothered by working-class kids being blown apart; if they had been, they wouldn't have spat on those working-class kids when they came home from Vietnam, or tried to make heroes out of the Communists who were trying to kill them. Yet as troubling as that may be, the Sixties were in many ways the Boomers' finest moment. It was at least a fad then to pretend to care about racial justice at home and war abroad, to speak out against pollution and prejudice. But it was mostly just talk. As they came of age, and as idealism might have required some real sacrifice, idealism suddenly became unfashionable. And so the Boomers careened into the Seventies without a thought to picking up where King and the Kennedys left off. Without a war to threaten them, their selfishness came into full bloom. You know the results: Drug abuse, once a boutique curse of hip musicians, became more common than the clap. And speaking of sexually transmitted diseases, the Boomers began to fornicate with such abandon that rabbits we asking them to cool their jets. They didn't invent sex or drugs or rock 'n' roll, but they damned near ruined them all. And don't give me this crap about Boomer music. The Beatles were all born before the end of the war. So was Janis. So while the Boomers can claim they had the good taste to listen to gifted pre-Boomers, when it came their turn to make music, the truest expression of their generation, what did they give us? Disco. The generation that came before the Boomers gave them Dylan. The Boomers gave us KC and the Sunshine Band. Thanks a lot. Unfair? Perhaps it is a bit of an overstatement. Some friends of mine have suggested it's an outrage to ignore Baby Boomer Bruce Springsteen, for one. True enough. But even more than music, our remarkable economy is what drives and defines the times we live in today. And as the generation in the economic driver's seat, the Boomers should get the credit for building this remarkable prosperity, right? Well, not quite. Nothing can detract from the breathtaking entrepreneurship of Boomers like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. But what's interesting is that much of today's prosperity owes its origins more to the high-tech young nerds of the post-Boom generation than to the Boomers themselves. The most vital role the Boomers have in the current economy is to sit on their brains and invest in post-Boomer high-tech start-ups. The same folks who sponged off their parents when they were young are now, as they age, getting rich off the industry of their younger brothers and sisters. Boomer political and economic values reached their most perfect expression under pre-Boomer president Ronald Reagan in the Eighties: Screw your neighbor, lay off the factory workers, shuffle a lot of paper, build an economy in which a few people get the gold mine and most people get the shaft. It is telling that when he ran for reelection, Reagan got higher support among Boomers than he did from his fellow older Americans. Perhaps some of the Greatest Generation saw the selfishness in Reaganism and turned away from it. And perhaps the Boomers saw those same qualities, that savage selfishness, and embraced it. In the long run, will it matter that one generation was so spectacularly selfish? Maybe not.

In a great karmic irony, the Worst Generation may in turn be raising another great one. Having taught the children of the Baby Boomers off an on for five years now, at the University of Texas at Georgetown, I find them to be the opposite of everything I despise about their parents -- they are engaged in their communities, spending endless hours volunteering to build housing for the poor or to feed the homeless. They are concerned about their classmates, having calmed down the PC mania and replaced it with a sensible sensitivity to the feelings of others. They care about the future and are concerned about their grandparents. They are more responsible in their private lives and more engaged in our public life. I have no idea whether it's because of the Boomers or in spite of them. Greatest Generation chronicler Tom Brokaw has the difference pegged: "The World War II generation did what was expected of them. But they never talked about it. It was part of the Code. There's no more telling metaphor than a guy in a football game who does what's expected of him -- makes an open-field tackle -- then gets up and dances around. When Jerry Kramer threw the block that won the Ice Bowl in '67, he just got up and walked off the field." That kind of self-effacing dignity is wholly alien to the Boomer elite. But when that day comes, when they finally walk off the field -- or what's left of the field -- a few of us who've been trailing behind them will be doing a little dance of our own. - ESQUIRE, April 2000 ###
 

hal2kilo

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Baby boomers what do you expect? From hippies to "me" and the most spend thrift generation ever surprises you they can't retire? Wait until Obama's cat food SS commission gets done with them.

Talk about your death panels. I'm sure you wish we would all just die at 65 so you can have yours.
 

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Talk about your death panels. I'm sure you wish we would all just die at 65 so you can have yours.

Here comes the baby boomer selfishness, no, us young people don't really give two shits about you. It's not about you, it's about moving past you.
 

hal2kilo

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Here comes the baby boomer selfishness, no, us young people don't really give two shits about you. It's not about you, it's about moving past you.

I've been working since I was 14. Nobody I personally have known has gone bankrupt. Snot nosed brats.
 

JSt0rm

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Here comes the baby boomer selfishness, no, us young people don't really give two shits about you. It's not about you, it's about moving past you.

well put. The baby boomers seem to think its all about them. Thats been half the problem with living in their shadow.
 

ShawnD1

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I dont understand the above post bitching about disco. I like disco. Nobody can tell me the song disco inferno sucks and keep a straight face.
Also, the thing about boomers pretending to care is still true. 20 year olds bitch about corporate greed then they work for large corporations when they graduate. They say save the environment, then they shower 3x per day and leave the stove on. Its bullshit to say only one group does that.
 

JSt0rm

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More thoughts on the subject. What the boomers fail to realize is its not up to them to put themselves in the history books. Its up to us.

http://cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2009/02/24/worst-generation-stop-screwing-us-over

Everyone’s familiar with Tom Brokaw’s publications that idealize the proverbial “greatest generation,” referencing the generation of Americans who won the second world war, reshaped the world’s political order, built the American middle class, laid the interstate highway system, integrated our schools, passed the civil rights act, challenged us to put a man on the moon and to build a great society, all while generating untold sums of wealth and making America the economic envy of the world.
Over the last eight years, the baby-boom generation of our national leadership lead by such political figures as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Ashcroft — along with business leaders in the mold of Madoff, Paulson, Thain, O’Neal, Fuld and Grasso — can be conversely characterized as our “worst generation.”
The worst generation enjoyed all of the fruits and plenty of the labor, hardship and sacrifice of those that came before. They were raised not knowing the yearning of want, never feeling the misery of destitution or the hardship of poverty. They’ve never seen the absence of opportunity; they’ve never angst from threat of hunger.
Despite that privilege, they’d indulged this nation in social values that should make us all cringe: a greedy pursuit of unlimited individual financial accumulation, mocking of collective rights and responsibilities, militarism over intellectualism, and war in the name of democracy. To that worst generation, I ask: please stop squandering our future.
At a time when the national debt soars to unprecedented dangerous levels, we give this current worst generation more tax breaks and corporate bailouts in hope of economic stimulus. These tax breaks and giveaways add to the national debt. You are borrowing money from your children so that you can live over-indulgently now. Tax breaks equate to generational theft. Shame on you.
My generation is already going to have to pay your social security (a system itself not far from the brink of insolvency) and your Medicare (a system already running huge state deficits). The absolute very least that you can do is craft a stimulus plan void of tax breaks and comprised entirely of transportation, education, energy and technology infrastructure, from which my generation will benefit. If we are going to be the ones paying for this stimulus, we damn well better derive value from what we pay for.
What generational ignorance to think that tax breaks (paid for on the backs of your children) would be a good idea — how short sighted and selfish.
At a time when less than one-in-four people have a college degree! How dare you! A time when over 50 million Americans have no health insurance! A time when 12 million people are unemployed, with another 8 million underemployed, and counting! When 30 percent of American families are working poor! At a time when inequity has never been so stark in our lifetime! When one-in-four teen girls has an STD, with increasing rates of teen pregnancy! When 250,000 homes enter into foreclosure every three months, with millions more projected to be on the brink! How dare you? Your blatant stupidity and selfishness insults me.
In addition to rebuilding dated bridges, crumbling schools and an energy grid that simply doesn’t meet the demands of the new century, we need to lay the foundations of an economy poised for growth rather than ensuring its long decline. Imagine an interstate high-speed rail system linking the nation, transporting people and products from city to city at 250 miles per hour. We need tens of thousands of wind turbines and rooftop solar panels. We need dozens of new nuclear power plants. We need tens of thousands of miles of light rapid rail in our nation’s mid-sized cities, and commuter rail and subways in our nation’s largest cities. We should be building a dozen new top-tier research universities in the 12 poorest cities in the country. We should commit billions to curing cancer, AIDs, malaria, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s and a long list of other afflictions. We should commit billions more to developing new technologies from which entire industries will emerge.
Don’t squander our future; don’t mitigate our promise or potential. And certainly don’t give yourselves tax breaks (or anything else your generation simply does not deserve) on our backs.
 

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I've worked since I was 14 as well, I didn't get a cookie, but do you want one?

You're an aborition, most of your generation are self entitled fucks (see HACP). In fact I can't think of one thing your generation has done for the betterment of our country.
 

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You're an aborition, most of your generation are self entitled fucks (see HACP). In fact I can't think of one thing your generation has done for the betterment of our country.

Facebook, disrespecting college education, and the smug look of satisfaction are things my generation has given you.
 

Jhhnn

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Move along grandpa. I need your job. Die already :D!

Heh. You'd probably get yourself electrocuted the first day doing my job...

Bring Spidey to hold your hand... maybe the two of you can figure it out together...

Just joking, of course, but there's a little bit of truth in any form of humor...

What Righties don't really understand, what they fundamentally refuse to recognize, is that the economy has been looted from the top down. Instead of pay raises, working americans just got bigger lines of credit as the financial elite took a bigger rake-off. And instead of paying taxes or wages, they lent the govt more money. The housing bubble was the crowning glory of the whole effort. The money they made was quite real, but the supposed value wasn't... and uhh, the debt they created is quite real, too...

Tax Cut! Free Market! Free Trade! Global Economy! Self Regulated Banking! Cutting Red Tape For Lending! Ownership Society! Easy Credit Introductory Rate Financing! Buy Now Before Rates Go Up!

Add the fearmongering and bloodlust of the Terrarist Threat! Evil Saddam! God, Guns, and Gays! Drill Baby Drill!

The list goes on from there, and the loyal chumps go for it every time... Middle class conservatism is a pathological condition, like beaten spouse syndrome or the Stockholm syndrome... like a date rape victim going out with the same guy, again...