**OLD THREAD** League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA)

[kaigemercer]

I just checked the store and apparently, the Halloween quints are still there.

If you ever wanted "health quints" or even think you might want them in the future, it might be worth spending the 3000 IP.

BTW, the Tier 2 Halloween ones "Quintessence of Treats" gives 30 hp each. The Tier 3 Quint of Fortitude give you 32.4 HP each. 90 HP vs 97 HP but a difference of 3165 IP.

OK folks thats it the Halloween runes are all gone

 

[zebano]

I just gotta bitch once again that if you push your lane you are very likely not getting first blood because you're now required to tower dive.

Second I'll reiterate my in game point that going mid is the easy route!!! It takes less skill to mid with most champs than it takes to lane top or bottom. Top/Bottom you have to fight for brush and if you get stun/snared, you will have 2 champs beating on you instead of one, the margin for error is smaller. The reason you send your carry mid is two-fold. First, they get more farm since they don't have to share it. Second, they level faster and thus can become useful/get their ult earlier and gank the other lanes.

Caveat: MF and Le Blanc do enough early damage that you must be very careful in mid against them as you have no one to help you burst them down.

That is all.

 

[crownjules]

I just gotta bitch once again that if you push your lane you are very likely not getting first blood because you're now required to tower dive.

My game last night was horrible. It didn't help that our Veigar left me solo Garen vs. Garen, but their Garen was already 3 levels higher than me from being solo lane. A lot of people do this (myself included) but you shouldn't abandon your 2v1 lane when the enemy has started to get the level advantage. Like in my scenario, he had a huge advantage and the only thing keeping him back prior to that point was the fact it was a 2v1. Plus the enemy team just stacked MR (they were all getting BV) to counter our 4 mage team and Garen would single me out every fight to keep me away from his team.

But to this point, in an earlier game I was LeBlanc mid and I had this dumbass Mundo who was a) bitter that he didn't get LeBlanc and b) just bad. Constantly criticized me for not coming down to help gank his lane when they always had their lane pushed to the enemy tower. You can't gank in that situation. I tried going down and waiting in the brush for them to let them push out but even then they just kept pushing.

 

[HumblePie]

I just gotta bitch once again that if you push your lane you are very likely not getting first blood because you're now required to tower dive.

Second I'll reiterate my in game point that going mid is the easy route!!! It takes less skill to mid with most champs than it takes to lane top or bottom. Top/Bottom you have to fight for brush and if you get stun/snared, you will have 2 champs beating on you instead of one, the margin for error is smaller. The reason you send your carry mid is two-fold. First, they get more farm since they don't have to share it. Second, they level faster and thus can become useful/get their ult earlier and gank the other lanes.

Caveat: MF and Le Blanc do enough early damage that you must be very careful in mid against them as you have no one to help you burst them down.

That is all.

Yes and no. At mid you are prime ganking target, especially if the other team has a jungler. Also it is easy to over extend yourself and have one of the side lanes come gank.

But yes, it is best to have the carry go mid. LeBlanc is not really a team carry. No AP champs are. So while having LeBlanc in mid helps for early and mid game domination, it is not as wise in my opinion as having a true carry such as MF, Trist, Ashe, or Xin.

Side lanes can be easily handled if people would by wards more often. With two people in the lane, just putting one in the river bush to help prevent ganks and one in the edge bush to control that while laning is essential. Most don't do that however.

Also mid isn't as easy as you think unless you are playing MF. Even then it is not a guarantee. Last night I went mid as Xin against an MF and straight up owned her. That is not to say I can do that against an MF that really knows how to play mid, but being MF and going mid is not a guarantee that you'll do good if the other player is better.

 

[kaigemercer]

After playing LB a few games last night while she does well as a mid shes like humble said no carry she falls more into an assassin type roll runs in drops 2-4 spells and takes off that should kill or gt them to the brink of death then run back up to her lane and i was having great success with that

 

[crownjules]

By the way, they unlocked a new tutorial last night which was what that update patch was for. It's basically a combination of an overview of SR + basic champion stuff. Covers stuff like how tower's target, the golem and lizard buffs, some basic tactics, etc. I was very disappointed in that it didn't cover warding in any way because that's one thing that should be pointed out to new players.

At the end of it, the tutorial says you can repeat it and continue to earn rewards but I never got any rewards the first time. Just the -100% IP/XP for being a tutorial. Somewhere I saw it mentioned that it's supposed to give you 500IP for completing it the first time.

Riot has also mentioned they're looking into a hotfix to tone down LeBlanc.

When LeBlanc went out, we were unsure of her power level due to her complexity and skill differentials in internal play tests.

Seeing her on live, it's been shown that she can be OP in a couple situations.We are investigating tapering down these scenarios slightly in a hotfix tomorrow or the day after, while keeping her fun and very viable. The two key things we want to address are: the Q-R combo, especially at level 6, and ensuring her mana costs are a limiting factor.

We will put out a hotfix in the next couple days, perhaps as earlier as tomorrow afternoon, once we have internally play tested the changes.

 

[kaigemercer]

well there is in no way shape or form that she wont get hit with the NERF bat and she will get hit hard just due t the fact that with no MR she can get very annoying and the rng on her Q,R is very big jut those 2 spells alone can do half most champs bars

 

[zebano]

Yes and no. At mid you are prime ganking target, especially if the other team has a jungler. Also it is easy to over extend yourself and have one of the side lanes come gank.

But yes, it is best to have the carry go mid. LeBlanc is not really a team carry. No AP champs are. So while having LeBlanc in mid helps for early and mid game domination, it is not as wise in my opinion as having a true carry such as MF, Trist, Ashe, or Xin.

Side lanes can be easily handled if people would by wards more often. With two people in the lane, just putting one in the river bush to help prevent ganks and one in the edge bush to control that while laning is essential. Most don't do that however.

Also mid isn't as easy as you think unless you are playing MF. Even then it is not a guarantee. Last night I went mid as Xin against an MF and straight up owned her. That is not to say I can do that against an MF that really knows how to play mid, but being MF and going mid is not a guarantee that you'll do good if the other player is better.

About mid, I don't actively push mid early which makes ganking difficult. If I do push it (i.e. I'm playing Morgana and use soil or Tristanas explosions to kill a whole wave ) I'll run and farm wraiths or shop while waiting for the wave to come back. Usually I'm careful to last hit with autoattacks which lets me control where the wave is. If I have successfully harassed my opponent I may get risky and go try to finish the job, but as a mid your primary objectives are to farm and not die so you can start ganking.

I had a game jungling Amumu where our mid Ashe disconnected at level 2. I was at wraiths so I ran out and took mid. My opponent was karthus and not only did I farm well, I killed him at level 4 and again at 6. I find Sion is actually a great mid against MF because you can get shield early just as a health buffer against double up then run in there and last hit. If she gets to agressive, stun > explode > hit > run/fight and you've got her on her heals.

 

[v8envy]

This is exactly why I put points in E rather than Q when mid as MF. I find that lets me wipe out the enemy creep wave quickly, then alternate between the two neutral camps while waiting for the next wave. Plus my opponent has to constantly call MIA (I always run top or bot, never straight back to induce maximum paranoia). If I play my cards right I'll 6 when they are still 5, and get the ewqr keyboard smash gank.

 

[Obsoleet]

Mid is harder than the sides because there's a 2x increase in ganking possibility. It just depends if you're up against a good team or not. On the sides tho, there's a slight increase in the probability of one of the two champs you're up against being decent. That's less likely than the other guy at mid being good.. as the better players tend to take mid.

I take mid because I know I can hold and push it alone early to late game and against 2 champs as well as avoid ganks without MIA calls. I don't trust anyone else to do so in solo games.

 

[HumblePie]

Reading over the official forums is pretty funny right now. There are really only two types of postings going on right now.

1) LeBlanc is OP and needs to be nerfed
2) LeBlanc is fine so L2P and QQ moar!

I'm glad she is getting nerfed because of her early game domination. Her abilities all cost very low mana so she can pretty much spam them all game long. She can do ridiculous damage at level 6. She is also damn near impossible to kill except in team fights and only if she gets stunned and focused on. Stunning is the only thing that stops her passive escape mechanism. So while she is less useful in the late game for her team, that doesn't mean she isn't still pretty damn useful. She can still kill any squishie/carry the other team has and usually survive any attempt at killing the squishies in a team fight. Not to mention she still has slows, silence, and snares to help in team fights with the ability to spam all that on multiple players at once in a team fight. Sure it's not an AoE, but it might as well be.

 

[Malak]

She is harder to kill than any other champ for the simple fact that she can do the shaco illusion and teleport away, sometimes fast enough that you don't even realize what just happened.

 

[zebano]

She is harder to kill than any other champ for the simple fact that she can do the shaco illusion and teleport away, sometimes fast enough that you don't even realize what just happened.

Pro tip that I picked up at fearlessgamer that also applies to shaco...

Ping her before you attack. Then when the illusion is created the ping marker will remain above the real toon.

 

[Chiropteran]

Leblanc is just plain stupid. Played her for the first time the game after one on the opposing team destroyed us, went 13-3 and had a 25 minute surrender. Even my few deaths could have been prevented if I knew what all I was doing from the start.

Originally Posted by Riot
"Seeing her on live, it's been shown that she can be OP in a couple situations... The two key things we want to address are: the Q-R combo, especially at level 6"

I find it hilarious that Riot is saying that the idea of using your basic nuke + ultimate is some sort of unexpected situation. DUH. Whats next? "Uh we didn't expect people playing casters to stack AP, so we might need to nerf the new champion slightly"

 

[Malak]

So I figured out a dream team combo that just won us a game. Going to switch up a few champs but same concept.

Gragas
Karthas
Xin
Galio
Ryze

Galio ults, Ryze Ults, Xin Ults, Gragas ults, Karthas ults.

 

[zebano]

You're basically going with a simple AOE ult team, many other characters work as well including Amumu (the original AOE team tank), Rammus (who is less effective than Amumu/Galio), Katarina, Nunu, Miss Fortune, Gangplank etc.

Just a quick note about your lineup however I would have Xin ult first since his ult does a % of current HP it is maximized when you initiate with it.

Note that many other characters work as well with non-ult AOE burst damage such as Sion and Annie.

 

[darkewaffle]

Gragas and Galio don't really play well together in my experience, their ults do completely different things and a little poor coordination between them can waste both.

And Gragas is still only Gragas; if he goes tanky he's pretty ignorable and AP makes him a squishy character with a bit more HP and a decent get away, but also only really one means of doing damage that's not that difficult to avoid more often than not.

Also I feel like putting Ryze and Karthas together is just asking for trouble given how very squishy they are.

 

[Malak]

Gragas and Galio don't really play well together in my experience, their ults do completely different things and a little poor coordination between them can waste both.

And Gragas is still only Gragas; if he goes tanky he's pretty ignorable and AP makes him a squishy character with a bit more HP and a decent get away, but also only really one means of doing damage that's not that difficult to avoid more often than not.

Also I feel like putting Ryze and Karthas together is just asking for trouble given how very squishy they are.

The squishy is solved by Galio's ult. And Gragas isn't ulting till after that is done. Karthas ultimately is a just in case measure, Ryze will probably kill most of them and Gragas easily takes care of stragglers. You could always add Amumu instead of Karthas for more tank and just as much win.

 

[v8envy]

Here's a better lineup:

Amumu (can substitute Galio)
Xin (can substitute MF)
LeBlanc (no substitute, required to shut down any enemy carry mid early)
Gangplank (no substitute)
Fiddlesticks (can substitute anything with multiple target CC)

Team fights go like this. Mumu or Galio grab people with ult. Gangplank overlays bombing, either Xin slides in and shaves everyone 30% and starts knocking up the tank or MF performs hosedown. LeB and whatever is in multi-cc slot run in to silence, CC & ridicu-combo anything miraculously standing.

While ults are on cooldown LeB bursts for lolwtfdamage, fiddle fears & drains while other champs clean out other lanes and harvest jungle. Repeat 3x, win at 25.

 

[Malak]

I'd take Malzahar over LB for what you want, since he can multi-silence faster, AOE on galio, and suppress whoever survives. Gangplank not really useful if you have MF, and Nunu will do a better slow on top of Galio. Fiddlesticks has the potential of being awful depending on the other team, but his ult could potentially surprise them. Still think Karthus would work better than him though because Karthus will multi-slow, multi-ult, and can stay back.

 

[xCxStylex]

They are still showing up for me.

Are you looking in the Tier 2 section?

OK folks thats it the Halloween runes are all gone

 

[zebano]

While I had fun roflstomping with AP Sion yesterday I gotta say that Rammus is the best tank available right now (given that Galio and Amumu are usually banned). The best part for me however is that I used to run ghost and I switched to flash and that is just amazing for initiation with powerball since you can just jump the creep wave.

 

[kaigemercer]

They are still showing up for me.

Are you looking in the Tier 2 section?

well ill be dippsed in poo and rolled in feathers yep its there was lookign in the T3 area my bad

 

[crownjules]

Enjoyed me some Teemo action for the first time post-buff/change with Zeb. I picked him in our game to counter the other team's Yi and Trynd selection. The mushroom change is great - plop down a couple in one location then take off to another part of the map and have more ready to drop. Rather than having to sit in one area for 20 seconds between each mushroom drop.

I was pretty good with my build and I don't think it was even that optimized. Next time I play him, I think I'll get Nashor's instead of Rylai's. The extra slow on mushrooms is nice but it only helps with Q otherwise, I just find it not too useful for Teemo. Trinity Force would probably the better pick if you really need a slow on Teemo and it helps in a lot of other ways too.

So maybe go: Malady, Boots, Trinity, Zring, Nashor's.

An ASPD of 2.1 with damage (vs champs) of 215, mushrooms that deal 1000, and a blind that deals 500 isn't too shabby. Plus his passive 40% ASPD boost if I remember to stand still for 2 seconds.

 

[Malak]

Had to end the night on a win. Went 9/1/10 with Gragas on a team of only 4 vs 5. Completely dominated, taking most of the towers myself. My lane partner left me early to help another lane because our Teemo fed a bunch early then disco'd. Yi couldn't DPS fast enough to kill me and the other Gragas just ran. For those that didn't get my joke when I play Gragas: