Old dos-based demos and SBLive with Win2k???

[CharlieMike]

I'm dating myself here...but I want to run a demo produced by Future Crew back in the early 1990s.
The demo is the king of demos and set the standard for graphics and sound at the time of its release.
The demo name is "Second Reality" and can be downloaded here:

ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/demos/demos/1993/0-9/2ndreal.zip

or maybe here:

http://www.hornet.org/cgi-bin/ha_search.cgi?opt_s=0:2ndreal.zip


My Problem: I am trying to run this DOS-based demo in Win2k with my SB Live! Value sound card.

it's not working--can anyone else get this to run in win2k?

Thanks...

 

[stevewm]

The DOS in Win2k/XP is not real DOS at all. Its a DOS emulator, as is the entire 16-bit subsystem in Windows that allows you to run Win3.1 programs. No emulator is 100% perfect and as such many DOS apps have trouble running under it.

It also does not provide support for DOS sound drivers...

When a program does not run correctly under it there is pretty much nothing you can do about it



There is a program called VDMSound that emulates a SB16 soundcard under the DOS emulator (a emulator running in a emulator....) Be warned however it can be difficult to configure, does not work with all apps and can be somewhat buggy at times (well at least thats how it was the last time I used it....) VDMSound Homepage: http://www.ece.mcgill.ca/~vromas/vdmsound/

Your better off making a DOS boot disk and slapping the SB Live DOS drivers on it. It would run perfectly then.

 

[JHeiderman]

Ahhh.. Second Reality. I have the S3M's from that demo. Purple Motions and Skavens, if you want I can email them to you, let me know.

Here is your best bet to get this working. Go to www.bootdisk.com Download a Dos 6.22 bootdisk (or DOS 5.0 or DOS 6.0, whatever). Make a DOS boot disk and boot from it. Load only the sound drivers nothing else, basicaly make sure you have most of your 640k of ram free. Then just fire up the demo and hope it works. I've run demo's this way under a P2-400 but you may run into the problem that your current CPU is just too fast... not sure though, no harm in trying.

I am of course making a few basic assumptions:

1) You know how to edit your Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files
2) You have a FAT32 partition that you can run the demo from.

If you don't have a FAT32 partition it is going to require a CD with the demo copied to it, and a RAM disk to hold the demo so we can run it from there.

I want to help you get this running CharlieMike so if you aren't able to do it on your own let me know and I'll help you edit your Autoexec.bat files, you config.sys files and whatever else you need. That demo is so good it's worth watching again and again. I think someone needs to record it out to a video capture and then re-encode it as a divx or something.

PM me if you need further help.

- J

 

[CharlieMike]

J-

I just rated you a "10" for your willingness to help me. And for the fact that you knew of the demo!! BRAVO!!!!

one question for you:

I have the S3M's from that demo. Purple Motions and Skavens, if you want I can email them to you, let me know.

what's an S3M? it sounds familiar...but i've thoroughly fried my brain on a test today...so i can't think too clearly...

i can edit autoexec and config just fine (though I'm a bit rusty, since i haven't done it too much since the old days of memmaker and defrag)...

my luck running Second Reality has gone like this over the past two-three years:

Win98SE: boot into DOS--not enough free memory to run!!! wouldn't work from within Win98! :|
Win2000: bleh. it's a pity that there isn't support for suck kickass things...

if any of you have NOT seen second reality, you don't know what you're missing.
the hypnotic vibes...the strobes...trust me on this one, people...

hmm...what to do...what to do....

J, what o/s you running?

 

[JHeiderman]

Charlie,
What I told you about going to www.bootdisk.com still stands. Go download a bootdisk maker and make a Dos 6.22 Bootdisk

Then copy the SB Live DOS driver to the bootdisc. It is probably just one file, sbeinet.com I think is what it is. Check in your driver release.

Once you copy the file down to the floppy disc edit the config.sys and take out everything but the basics like the himem.sys

The autoexec should just have the sound driver in it and not much else.

The bootdisk is really your best way to go right now.

I am running Win2k for my home system.

A S3M is the music format that Future Crew created for their music and their demo's. They were multi track audio files. Winamp (the full install, not the lite one) will play them just fine. The files are only around 500k each if you want me to email them to you. They are really cool.

Again, let me know. PM me if you want to continue this through email or some other way that would be faster.

- J

 

[DeschutesCore]

If you like demos, check out Hornet Archive (FTP 1987-1998), Scene.org, and CFXWeb.

Check out demos like the.product, Paper, and others from and on. There are an assload of killer intro, extros, and invitros as well.

DC

Viva La DemoScene!

 

[CharlieMike]

woo woo--the more demos the better!!!!!!!

 

[NesuD]

I just rated you a "10" for your willingness to help me.

CharlieMike what are you doing rating people. You don't have your ratings turned on so you shouldn't be rating people for good or bad. You come into these boards looking for help with things yet in some cases you troll and attempt to make people look foolish when in fact their facts were correct. At the same time you don't have pm's turned on, people cannot rate you ( although you have no qualms about rating them) and your profile is disabled. Those are classic signs of trollism.

 

[CharlieMike]

Charlie,
What I told you about going to www.bootdisk.com still stands. Go download a bootdisk maker and make a Dos 6.22 Bootdisk

Then copy the SB Live DOS driver to the bootdisc. It is probably just one file, sbeinet.com I think is what it is. Check in your driver release.

Once you copy the file down to the floppy disc edit the config.sys and take out everything but the basics like the himem.sys

The autoexec should just have the sound driver in it and not much else.

The bootdisk is really your best way to go right now.

J-

I grabbed a DOS bootdisc image and created my image. Now--I just need the sbinit.com (I believe). However, I'm running a Soundblaster Live! Value, and I can not find any such file on either my drive or the install CDs. May I use a generic sbinit.com d/l from the net and--furthermore--will sbinit.com interface with a Live! card?

Thanks...

 

[MadRat]

You also want that little cable from your soundcard to the motherboard for SB compatibility in DOS. It bridgess the DOS-level sound to the soundcard instead of that annoying PC speaker.