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OK, who the hell is gathering intelligence for our special forces?????

no crap, and did you hear what they are paying as reparation to the families of the 2 guys who we killed? $1,000. Thats pathetic.
 


<< $1,000. Thats pathetic. >>

That's the equivalent of 3 years average wages in Afghanistan. Even more since its U.S. money and not a truck load of worthless Afghan money. Myself, I was thinking more like $2500, but $1000 ain't chopped liver.
 
What also bothers me is that Bush's stupid statement about Iran in his SOU address have effectively solidify the hardliners' grip on the government. So much for reforms. I do not believe Bush meant what he said. I think his speech writers are a bunch of idiots.
 


<< How would you like someone killing your dad? Don't tell me you won't be upset. >>

These people are, as horrible as it may sound, accustomed to death, misery, hunger, their sons going-off and getting killed in some civil war at the age of 12. This has been "life" in Afghanistan for 30 years.

Its hard for pampered and spoiled Americans to imagine that death and tragedy is something someone could become accustomed to, but then Americans are pampered and spoiled aren't they. These people are as tough as tree roots, they'll get on with it. And 3+ years wages in one lump sum will certainly help them do that.
 
tcsenter, I bet the families disagrees with you. It looks like you are the one who's been pampered and spoiled. You seem to take the fact that your famility is safe and sound for granted. I dare you to repeat what you said to the faces of these families. Just be ready for a beating.
 


<< Its hard for pampered and spoiled Americans to imagine that death and tragedy is something someone could become accustomed to, but then Americans are pampered and spoiled aren't they. These people are as tough as tree roots, they'll get on with it. And 3+ years wages in one lump sum will certainly help them do that. >>



Okay...so if I [hypothetically] shoot your family dead and pay you the equivalent of three years wages' you'll be able to "get on with it"? Tree roots may be tough, but these people are human, after all. Any tree's roots will succumb to axe blows being laid across it. This is nearly as pathetic as Vietnam.

I'm American, and proud of it, but I think this "war" has gone on long enough. I don't recall giving anybody permission to use my tax money to kill people. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and this was the wrong way to go about solving the terrorist problem (in my humble opinion).
 
the point is that if my dad was making 50K a year and the gov't fubared a drug raid at the wrong address, I'd sure as hell get more than 150K. More than likely a million or two. For god's sake, if there is a standard in the US for 2 million/life (didnt the gov't calculate that? I've read that frequently) and that comes out to 20x earnings, then at the least do that for the guys in afghanistan. 3x is crap. As if money could replace lives anyways...
 
I agree.....they're going to have to be much more carefull with these people and trusting intelligence reports from them..............many have their own agendas and that may also switch frequently! As to this mistake, I agree, the offers are unacceptable............if we did the damage, compensation should be given by our standards! We would accept no less if the tables were turned.............
 


<< Okay...so if I [hypothetically] shoot your family dead and pay you the equivalent of three years wages' you'll be able to "get on with it"? Tree roots may be tough, but these people are human, after all >>

Different cultures deal with death differently. These people don't grieve forever like Americans, they have to get on with it because there are pressing issues to worry about like "how am I going to feed my children today". They don't have the luxury of so much idle time with which they can prolong the grieving period indefinitely. They have a different perspective on death, its a weekly thing there.

This fact is proven in the way we have seen dozens of interviews with people who lost members of their family, some their entire family, and they have said they will not hold it against the Americans because they understand that mistakes happen despite our best efforts and they believe in what we are doing (a greater cause).

Americans think there is no price you can put on life, that life is priceless, because we have the luxury of thinking this way. Many Americans make no distinction between an accidental death and intentional death, or they believe there is NO cause great or just enough to justify a single death. Offer an Afghan $1000 for his daughter. He might be very offended...that you're offer was too low.

If my family was killed accidentally in pursuit of a greater cause I support, I wouldn't expect a penny. But then, I'm not the type of person who thinks that greater causes are only worth pursuing so long as someone else is taking the risks (i.e. fair weather patriots).

<< I don't recall giving anybody permission to use my tax money to kill people. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and this was the wrong way to go about solving the terrorist problem (in my humble opinion). >>

You don't give anyone permission, that's not the way it works.
 


<< the point is that if my dad was making 50K a year and the gov't fubared a drug raid at the wrong address, I'd sure as hell get more than 150K. More than likely a million or two. >>

Two different scenarios and standards.

The burden of responsibility to avoid error is higher in matters of civil and domestic law enforcement than it is in quasi-war combat. I'm not saying these people don't deserve anything, nor am I saying what happened to them wasn't very unfortunate, but if money is the best we can do to compensate a person for the loss of a loved-one, then $1000 and an apology is more than these people would ever see in their lifetime.

If you think we should give them $20,000, then that would be fine, too. I'm just saying our perspective is not their perspective, and many of them are going to take the $1000 and run.
 
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