Originally posted by: Amused
No, I'm not planning to starve. And I am planning to get my nutrients even if I'm fasting. I haven't made any definite plans regarding it, I'm just giving it a shot for now and if it doesn't work, I'll drop it.
Not really, vegetables are nice (that can be debated) and healthy. And I'm not dropping it entirely, just large part of it.
Maybe. We'll see. If it's too often or counterproductive, I'll drop it The fasting thing came along as a bonus.
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Originally posted by: Nemesis77
Originally posted by: Amused
No, I'm not planning to starve
That's the thing I'm worried about, though. The immediate results will please you, and therefore you'll keep doing it. I'm trying to warn you of the long term results.
It's very difficult and unhealthy to get all your nutrients through a liquid diet, even if it is only on the weekends.
Do this:
Exercise religiously 4 days a week, for 40 minutes at your target heat rate. Better yet, simply follow this plan Couch to 5K all the way through, but add an extra day each week. And do weight lifting at least three days a week to maintain and build new muscle mass.
At the same time, eat when ever you are hungry, and focus on a balenced diet high in protien and complex carbs. Snacks are NOT bad, and if you like to snack, eat five smaller meals a day rather than 3 big meals.
I promise you'll be VERY satisfied with the results by the time you finish it in just two short months.
About the only dietary change you are making that I can agree with is dropping soda and candy. Everything else is counter productive. In fact, your plan will leave you weak, and your muscles will whither away. You'll end up looking like Ally McBeal. :disgust:
Would 2 x 90 min/week do the same thing? I have my Krav Maga practice twice a week
.Thanks for the tip, I'll take a look at it
I am planning to eat balanced meals, I'm just changing the vegetables/other-ratio to favour vegetables more. I have no plans to starve myself
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Originally posted by: Nemesis77
Would 2 x 90 min/week do the same thing? I have my Krav Maga practice twice a week
The key to a good, effective, fat burning cardio workout is to keep your heart rate above the target the ENTIRE session. So I doubt that will do it for you.
The only thing that did it for me was running.
Thanks for the tip, I'll take a look at it
Try it. It's only 9 weeks long, and you have nothing to lose but fat and everything to gain. The rewards are more than you know.
I am planning to eat balanced meals, I'm just changing the vegetables/other-ratio to favour vegetables more. I have no plans to starve myself
OK, but you still are going to need high amounts of quality protien if you want to maintain, or even gain any muscle mass. Many (most that I've seen) vegetarians look emaciated because they do not get enough quality protein. There is no need to drop meat at all. Your original post said you were dropping meat almost entirely. This is what I'm responding to. If beef and pork makes you feel guilty, switch to chicken, turkey, and fish. In fact, a diet high in fish is very good for you. I eat tuna sandwiches like crazy.
Like everyone said do some working out. Eat sensible and stay away from pop,chips,sweet: empty calorie things. you can probably still drink pop if you like diet pop. Eat right and stay away from the bad things and your weight will go down.
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I have to agree with what some people said earlier. Fasting is not the way to go. Small modifications to your lifestyle are more than enough to lose weight and get in to shape.
During my first two years of college when I lived in the dorms I steadily gained weight. I blamed this on the crappy dorm food I was eating and spending too much time in front of my computer. When I moved in to an apartment my junior year I started cooking for myself and eating right. I also took up playing ultimate frisbee one day a week for 2 hours with friends. I *still* spent too much time in front of my computer. But that was enough to go from 170 to 140 lbs in just over three months. It's been two years and I have weighed 140 +- 5 lbs during that entire time.
The best thing you can do is find a buddy to work out with. You will find you are much more motivated to get some exercise if there is someone else doing it with you (read: pressuring you to do it.) As long as you stick to getting regular activity in to your day to day life you will get healthy.
During my first two years of college when I lived in the dorms I steadily gained weight. I blamed this on the crappy dorm food I was eating and spending too much time in front of my computer. When I moved in to an apartment my junior year I started cooking for myself and eating right. I also took up playing ultimate frisbee one day a week for 2 hours with friends. I *still* spent too much time in front of my computer. But that was enough to go from 170 to 140 lbs in just over three months. It's been two years and I have weighed 140 +- 5 lbs during that entire time.
The best thing you can do is find a buddy to work out with. You will find you are much more motivated to get some exercise if there is someone else doing it with you (read: pressuring you to do it.) As long as you stick to getting regular activity in to your day to day life you will get healthy.
Last January I fastest for a week. Only ate one bannana the whole time. And lots of water. I went from roughly 220 to 200. The only problem was I couldn't sleep, but I just took some nyquil every night and it put me right to sleep. When the week was up I couldn't really pig out like most people seem to think you will. Your body is not used to eating or something because even little amounts of food are enough. It felt like it shrunk my stomach or something. So it's a year later and I'm at 210. I haven't been eating any differently than I ever have in my life. The only reason I've gained some of the weight back recently is because I got married and my wife insists that I eat these huge meals that she makes. Up until about two weeks ago I was steady at 205. Which was fine for me. I've never been less than 190 my whole adult life, including high school. I'm 6'2". Yesterday I only ate lunch and skipped dinner. I'm going to see how long I can go without eating today without making my wife suspicious, I'm sure I'll lose the five pounds by the end of the week.
I know it's probably not the smartest thing to do, but it works.
I know it's probably not the smartest thing to do, but it works.
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I know others have replied but don't fast. Bad bad idea. Your metabolism and energy will both go through the floor and you'll feel compelled to suck back two pizzas by the end. In addition to excercise what you need to do is have 5-6 small meals a day evenly spread out. Consuming a large amount of protein is also a good idea. IMO you need to look at calories more than food composition specifically. ie, fat is not bad as long as your calories are low. Figure out your daily caloric maintenance level (howstuffworks.com in the diet section has a calculator) and trim at least 500 calories/day from that. Cutting back calories with lots of small meals plus excercise and the weight will go off. Don't try and lose it too fast or else you'll find the program difficult to stay on and be sabotaging your ability to lose weight long term since your metabolism will go slow.
Unfortunately for you combining a severe restriction of calories (fasting) and going down to juice and vegetables (no protein to speak of) you'll find that your lean muscle mass flies out the window faster than anything, especially if you're not doing weight training at the same time. When your body is low on calories it looks to two sources for energy: fat and muscle. Weight training combined with a protein rich diet limits the amount of muscle it looks to, but starving yourself and not taking in any protein, while you'll lose some fat, you'll also lose a lot of muscle and muscle is much harder and slower to get back, whereas fat will fly on to a now depressed metabolism when you decide to eat again.
Unfortunately for you combining a severe restriction of calories (fasting) and going down to juice and vegetables (no protein to speak of) you'll find that your lean muscle mass flies out the window faster than anything, especially if you're not doing weight training at the same time. When your body is low on calories it looks to two sources for energy: fat and muscle. Weight training combined with a protein rich diet limits the amount of muscle it looks to, but starving yourself and not taking in any protein, while you'll lose some fat, you'll also lose a lot of muscle and muscle is much harder and slower to get back, whereas fat will fly on to a now depressed metabolism when you decide to eat again.
If not meat and cheese what are you planning to eat for protein?
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(Skoorb beat me to point this out)
Thanks for posting that link to the site with information on running. It is something that I need to start doing more of since I spend way too much time on the computer.
For the weight lifting: my mom says that exercising with water-filled milk jugs (or bottles of similar capacity - the weight would be around 8.3 lbs) is good, and that you should do the weight-lifting each day. I would be inclined to think that she's wrong on both counts: shouldn't you use more weight but fewer repetitions, and shouldn't you do weight lifting only every other day, or something like that? If you have any sites with pertinent info, I'd appreciate it. Bear in mind that I don't have ready access to a gym, and I have no weight lifting equipment, yet. So if it discusses what kind of exercises can be done equipment-less, and what kind of equipment to get if one decides to go that route, that would be cool, too.
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Originally posted by: jliechty
Thanks for posting that link to the site with information on running. It is something that I need to start doing more of since I spend way too much time on the computer.
For the weight lifting: my mom says that exercising with water-filled milk jugs (or bottles of similar capacity - the weight would be around 8.3 lbs) is good, and that you should do the weight-lifting each day. I would be inclined to think that she's wrong on both counts: shouldn't you use more weight but fewer repetitions, and shouldn't you do weight lifting only every other day, or something like that? If you have any sites with pertinent info, I'd appreciate it. Bear in mind that I don't have ready access to a gym, and I have no weight lifting equipment, yet. So if it discusses what kind of exercises can be done equipment-less, and what kind of equipment to get if one decides to go that route, that would be cool, too.
If you want to add mass, you want to do moderate weights with moderate reps (as much weight as it takes to do 8-12 reps before you reach muscle failure). You also MUST allow each muscle group at least 48 hours to recover. Muscle recovery is where your gains are made, not while lifting. If you lift too soon, you'll only stop the recovery, and it will be counter productive. If you feel you must do some lifting every day, work a different muscle group each day.
I do this, and it's worked great for me so far:
Mon: Push (chest, shoulders and triceps, squats and leg extentions)
Tue: Pull (Back, lats, biceps, leg curls and calves)
Wed: Off
Thu: Push
Fri: Pull
Sat: Off
Sun: Off
Poke around this site http://www.exrx.net/Exercise.html. It has some handy, no frills answers on what muscles to work, and how to work them.
Your body won't tap into fat stores without first depleting you glycogen stores, which for many, can take quite some time. Fasting is terrible for the bodies metabolism because the body thinks it is being starved, thus slows down it's metabolism to preserve energy.
You are only supposed to fast 1 day a week unless its for religious reasons, duh. Usually people do it on Thursdays and its only done to get rid of toxins in the body.
Doing it to lose weight wont help you out in the long run. Anything you eat, your body will turn into fat.
When I was into yoga I would fast one day a week. But really for a person like yourself who isnt doing it for any other reason than just to lose weight its pointless.
Doing it to lose weight wont help you out in the long run. Anything you eat, your body will turn into fat.
When I was into yoga I would fast one day a week. But really for a person like yourself who isnt doing it for any other reason than just to lose weight its pointless.
Originally posted by: Nemesis77
I'm too fat! So it's about time I start losing some weight. I came up with rather aggressive plan to lose weight.
1. No candy or soda (except maybe sugar-free sodas sometime)
2. eat mostly vegetables. Drop meat, cheese and the like almost entirely
3. Spend weekends fasting (48 hours. Not dangerous, but quite healthy in fact). Drink plenty of water.
4. Exercise
1.and 2. accomplished, I will start 3 next weekend. 4. was started yesterday when I enrolled on a Krav Maga class. Damn I was exhausted! But I felt great
Idea number one is good. Idea number four is good. Idea number three is just stupid. Its true that you can drop weight quickly while fasting, but it has a nasty tendency to come right back. I lost 14 lbs of weight (I was forcing myself to drink water like none other at the end, so if anything, I was more hydrated at the end than the beginning) in 11 days. My uncle that I really like but never see came up over winter break and said "I have these 4 days open... want to go rabbit hunting?" I said sure, even though I had a little bit of a cough going. The first of the four non-consecutive days was a week away... and in that week the cough turns into broncitis. Oh well, I still went hunting. I averaged 4-5 miles of walking up and down the hills of southern Ohio each day. Sure, I wasnt going up them as fast as I normally could, but I was moving. In addition, due to being sick, I was eating practically nothing. The weight just disappeared. I was beginning to gain it back prior to starting lifting again.
I worded that wrong. What I meant was that I will reduce the amount of meat. As I increase the amount of vegetables, eating same amount of meat as before will become more difficult. Cheese I will eliminate almost entirely (few slices at breakfast, that's all). I will drink milk, so I will get my calcium
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: Nemesis77
I'm too fat! So it's about time I start losing some weight. I came up with rather aggressive plan to lose weight.
1. No candy or soda (except maybe sugar-free sodas sometime)
2. eat mostly vegetables. Drop meat, cheese and the like almost entirely
3. Spend weekends fasting (48 hours. Not dangerous, but quite healthy in fact). Drink plenty of water.
4. Exercise
1.and 2. accomplished, I will start 3 next weekend. 4. was started yesterday when I enrolled on a Krav Maga class. Damn I was exhausted! But I felt great
Idea number one is good. Idea number four is good. Idea number three is just stupid.
I have already decided to limit 3. to one time/month only (on the advice of people here). I will drink plenty of water and juice during it
Bump. Can never have too many good threads going about staying in shape. If the temperature ever gets about freezing here in CT, I'm going to start my jogging again. I want to drop 20 pounds by June, July at the latest. I also need to clear out my fridge and cabinets of all the sugars and junk food. God that's going to be difficult. My key is to eat right (no fast or junk food), and exercise. Exercising won't be a problem, but eating good will be. I need to stock up on tuna fish, wheat bread, and water. What else can I pack with my lunch? Eating just that will still leave me hungry, I'm sure of it.
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