Ok...this is just creepy as hell....looks like something out of a B horror flick

[surfsatwerk]

No it isn't. Black people are physically setup for living in warm areas. Those specific physical traits are negatives when living in cool areas. So blacks that live in Maine shouldn't have kids, right?

The woman is a basketball. This isn't comparable to genetic differences between races. This is a severe defect that would have killed her shortly after birth if it wasn't for the direct intervention and maintenance by modern medicine.

 

[lxskllr]

The woman is a basketball. This isn't comparable to genetic differences between races. This is a severe defect that would have killed her shortly after birth if it wasn't for the direct intervention and maintenance by modern medicine.

BS, there have been dwarfs throughout history; long before medicine got out of the witchdoctor stage. You can apply that standard to many defects which much of the AT membership has.

 

[surfsatwerk]

BS, there have been dwarfs throughout history; long before medicine got out of the witchdoctor stage. You can apply that standard to many defects which much of the AT membership has.

Dude she isn't a "dwarf", they can have kids and not die.

"The 35-year-old from Dry Ridge, Kentucky in the U.S. suffers from Osteogenesis Imperfecta, which causes brittle bones and underdeveloped lungs, and means she failed to grow.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...er-risk-giving-birth-time.html?#ixzz0YjUUE1Mv"

It is wrong to choose to give birth to children knowing they have a strong likelyhood of such a severe birth defect.
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[lxskllr]

So you're saying women with a family history of osteoporosis shouldn't have kids, right?

Edit:
Or perhaps just abort the female fetuses...

 

[surfsatwerk]

So you're saying women with a family history of osteoporosis shouldn't have kids, right?

Edit:
Or perhaps just abort the female fetuses...

I'm just surprised when we have more humane standards for how we treat animals then we do people. If they want children so badly they should adopt.

 

[lxskllr]

I'm just surprised when we have more humane standards for how we treat animals then we do people. If they want children so badly they should adopt.

There's plenty of examples of questionable breeding practices with animals, which create substandard animals with health problems.

I wouldn't have kids in their place either, but if they want to, go ahead. That woman seems happy enough, and if she dies early, so what? What life span is acceptable for having a happy life? If my daughter died now(she's 11), she would have at least gone out with a smile, and left a positive impact on the people who knew her. Is 11 too young? How about 20, 40, 60, 80?... What constitutes a valuable life?

 

[JD50]

No, he is not

also, i am on the fence about this. they have two daughters and one of them has the mother's genetic defect and will not grow normally. should they even be having kids?

That is just fucking creepy.

 

[surfsatwerk]

There's plenty of examples of questionable breeding practices with animals, which create substandard animals with health problems.

I wouldn't have kids in their place either, but if they want to, go ahead. That woman seems happy enough, and if she dies early, so what? What life span is acceptable for having a happy life? If my daughter died now(she's 11), she would have at least gone out with a smile, and left a positive impact on the people who knew her. Is 11 too young? How about 20, 40, 60, 80?... What constitutes a valuable life?

I understand your point I just happen to fall on the more conservative side of the arguement. I couldn't live myself producing children with such severe defects.

 

[Shingi]

I PAY MY RESPECTS. Being a guy I couldn't do what he did. LOL

 

[dennilfloss]

[IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i...Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes style.:twisted:

 

[moshquerade]

Why shouldn't they? You could say being black is a genetic defect in northern climates. Should black people have kids? How about normal short people? Flat foots? Premature baldness?...

You're playing devil's advocate. Some genetic defects are worse than others. Megan Fox has thumbs that look like toes. There are zillions of genetic defects and they are not equal so don't try that angle. It's not flying.

 

[TecHNooB]

That dude must have some weird fetish.

 

[destrekor]

No it isn't. Black people are physically setup for living in warm areas. Those specific physical traits are negatives when living in cool areas. So blacks that live in Maine shouldn't have kids, right?

you must be the polar opposite of me.

Skin color has it's disadvantages in regions the skin color is not natural, however, it hardly has a negative impact in modern life. Access to vitamins and fortified foods mitigates any true impact darker skin has in cold climates.

You don't find black people in the Northwest Territory tribal populations or Siberia for the reason that nobody voluntarily moves there, and the native people aren't black. If black people were there, it would be a little different, because access to fortified foods is basically nonexistent, but it wouldn't impact their life in such a way as to kill them anyhow.

People with genetic conditions that severely negatively impact life, in such a way that they are lucky to be alive in the first place, probably should just adopt and not have offspring due to the chance of having children who have that same genetic condition.
It's not necessarily a question of access to health care that aids in quality of life, or whether they have "the right" to breed, but rather... think of the children. If I had such a crippling condition, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to take the chance of having kids that have the same condition, to avoid making them suffer all of their life.

The fact that she has lived through childbirth though, that's just insane. The stress a baby has on the body, I cannot imagine her body putting up with it and yet here we are.

 

[zinfamous]

also, i am on the fence about this. they have two daughters and one of them has the mother's genetic defect and will not grow normally. should they even be having kids?

If their conscious dictates that potentially subjecting their children to the same disease is worth the risk to the mother's life, or simply worth the pregnancy, then I don't see how or why anyone should stop them.

You can advise against it all you want, but it should be their decision in the end.

:hmm:
Then again....the cost in health care that this woman and her spawn represent kinda makes me angry.

 

[zinfamous]

No it isn't. Black people are physically setup for living in warm areas. Those specific physical traits are negatives when living in cool areas. So blacks that live in Maine shouldn't have kids, right?

the physiological differences between races is an adaptation.

Trying to use an example of environmental adaptation as an analogy for a genetic defect is....not useful.

 

[zinfamous]

BS, there have been dwarfs throughout history; long before medicine got out of the witchdoctor stage. You can apply that standard to many defects which much of the AT membership has.

she has a specific defect that makes her bones completely brittle. This is not true of the majority of dwarfs. She would not have survived more than 1 or 2 years without modern medicine. This condition specifically lead to her stature--and is not a result of "dwarfism."

Mentioning the history of dwarfism and medicine is irrelevant here.

Again, you don't know what you're arguing about.

 

[zinfamous]

So you're saying women with a family history of osteoporosis shouldn't have kids, right?

Edit:
Or perhaps just abort the female fetuses...

....

Are you willing to do yourself a favor and examine the differences between osteogenesis and osteoporosis?

Or would you prefer to continue spouting baseless nonsense?

 

[AreaCode707]

I have rheumatoid arthritis and I've chosen not to have children, in part because of the likelihood that I would pass this trait on.

I absolutely disagree with the notion that we should take away people's reproductive rights based on the status of their health or the quality of their genetics. How many of you carry a gene for heart disease? Obesity? High blood pressure? Diabetes?

How pure do your genetics have to be to allow you the "privilege" of having children.

I wouldn't make her choice and I think she's making a pretty bad choice because of the impact on her children, but I think it is entirely her choice to make.

Now if we want to have a conversation about who is obligated to provide financially for the additional medical costs for her and her kids, I'm all about that.

 

[Gothgar]

what the fuck

 

[SAWYER]

 

[lxskllr]

....

Are you willing to do yourself a favor and examine the differences between osteogenesis and osteoporosis?

Or would you prefer to continue spouting baseless nonsense?

What the hell does it matter? Substitute (x)genetic defect in it's place. Heart disease, diabetes, eye problems, Parkinsons... whatever... The same argument could be made for any of them.

 

[Kadarin]

IMO it is very wrong to deliberately bring children into the world when you know they have an excellent chance of inheriting severe defects. These people really should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[zinfamous]

What the hell does it matter? Substitute (x)genetic defect in it's place. Heart disease, diabetes, eye problems, Parkinsons... whatever... The same argument could be made for any of them.

quality of life is what matters. The severity of said disease actually matters. In case you didn't know (I'll just go ahead and assume you're not familiar with much of this stuff), "heart disease," the #1 killer in the USA, is a very broad term encompassing many, many factors and conditions. Many of those conditions are so minor as to be innocuous, or at least detract in no way from one's quality of life. hell, many types of heart disease only manifest randomly, without expectation, in otherwise perfectly healthy individuals: consider several cases of athletes dropping dead on court from an undiagnosed hypertrophic ventricle (Pete Marovich being one of the more famous cases, and he lived into his 40s, I think)

as for "eye problems"...what do you mean by that? someone with glasses shouldn't have kids?

it just isn't very relevant to compare an extremely rare disease with high mortality and terrible risk (this osteogenesis), to any other common and potentially mundane defect (the wide array of defects leading to some form of heart disease, osteoporosis, "eye problems..") with a long history of treatment and considerably improved life quality factors, and try to make identical assumptions regarding personal choice.

also, comparing an adaptive trait to a genetic disease (as with your improper analogy with race) is completely spurious.

 

[lxskllr]

Way to skip diabetes, and Parkinsons...

Edit:
I was confusing Huntingtons with Parkinsons which is a bit more relevant.

 

[zinfamous]

Way to skip diabetes, and Parkinsons...

way to absorb the point.

diabetes and Parkinsons certainly can be serious diseases, but not always.

again, it really comes down to personal choice as to how someone wants to weigh risk of in inheritance to desire to be a parent.

Personally, I think this woman made a piss-poor choice, but it's her choice. The only thing genetic counselors and physicians can do for her is give her the best advice they can, as well as the best care (hopefully. of course, all of us paying into insurance are sharing that ridiculous cost )

but try to think for a second: do you think patient x with diabetes or patient y with Parkinsons would have identical lifestyle and birthing considerations that this woman would have?

remember that various treatments exist for all forms of diabetes, as well as Parkinsons, with shit tons of money being pumped into research for these very prevalent diseases every day.

the same can't be said for osteogenesis.

Hell, diet can go a long way to preventing certain types of diabetes from developing, same with heart disease. Try to make that argument with this woman's disease.