Ok, there's been a lot of GM bashing recently

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Fvcking anti-union propagandist.

Actually, it would be nice to see the cost of health care spread evenly throughout the economy, just like in every other fvcking industrialized nation in the world, and even a lot of the the less developed nations.

Although I used to think unions were a great thing whose time had mostly passed, the way things are going today, with the median income in the US going down, and with people like me who slip through the cracks and can't get health care (because I have too many assets--just over the pathetic $5,000 cut-off because my car is almost paid for and I'm saving to buy a house--and make too much money--something over minimum wage--for the state plan, but can't get it from my employer either) I'm all for labor unions. I think that if you do honest, hard work, you shoud be able to feed and house yourself and a young'un or two, and not need to worry about getting sick and having to go on welfare just to get taken care of.

You seem to have socialist leanings. I suppose you want natinalized healthcare like Canada. :thumbsdown:

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: grrl
Is the UAW responsible for GM's horrible designs as well?

No, they have them to blame for build quality issues though.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yep most people still like to blame lawsuits, but very little of health care cost are for that. The insurance companies just like to keep blaming lawsuits so they can then in turn up the preminums along with their profits. They know most people are to dumb to REALLY look into it and see its the insurance companies raising cost, just like med prices go up not because of lawsuits but because of companies wanting more profit and they need a excuse to keep the heat off them.

I never said insurance companies were balme free. I just brought up malpractice suits.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Yep most people still like to blame lawsuits, but very little of health care cost are for that. The insurance companies just like to keep blaming lawsuits so they can then in turn up the preminums along with their profits. They know most people are to dumb to REALLY look into it and see its the insurance companies raising cost, just like med prices go up not because of lawsuits but because of companies wanting more profit and they need a excuse to keep the heat off them.

I never said insurance companies were balme free. I just brought up malpractice suits.

But if you REALLY look they are NOT the reason rates are going up. Lawsuits have been around before and they will always be around. Rates going up for the MAJORITY are because of the insurance companies. Look at their profit ratios over the last 5 years. As rates go up so do their profits. If thats the case then where is all this money being lost on lawsuits then? Its not.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
But if you REALLY look they are NOT the reason rates are going up. Lawsuits have been around before and they will always be around. Rates going up for the MAJORITY are because of the insurance companies. Look at their profit ratios over the last 5 years. As rates go up so do their profits. If thats the case then where is all this money being lost on lawsuits then? Its not.

Malpractice insurqance RATES have been going up drastically. I have no idea if the number of lawsuits, or their awards, are going up or not. that doesn't really matter. The fact is doctors are paying alot mnore for insurance, so they have to charge more to make uo for it.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
SO lets just keep supporting sh!tty companies like GM, Dell, HP, and Disney to keep our economy alive. That's flawless logic right there.

Dell is a beacon of American Pride. They are by no means a sh!tty company.

The problem with GM is that they are content.

They are content with their glorious assets, they are content with their innumerable models, they are content with their QA, and they are content with their pricing.

No automovtive maker should be content.
No BUSINESS of any kind should be content.
No ECONOMY should be content.

Just look at how much people moan an groan when their is a recession. a RECESSION is a DECREASE IN GROWTH. This incredible lust for growth, and discontentment with respect to a lack of it is what every successful economy,busniess, and automotive maker should have to succed.

Presently, Toyota and Honda are not content, working diligently to improve the automobile, using hybrid alternators and even hybrid supercharges, redefining the capabilities of greenlighted-automotive design, and much more.

And then there is the beheamouth that is GM.

They tought their pride and their "revolution" but even their famed z06 does nothing for them. They rely on a content customer and on nostalgia for brands of yesterday to sell their vehicles, and more interactive consumers aren't biting.

Why should I buy a classic 4ton SUV from GM when I can get a fun and small, and yet still off-road import that can do the same for less, and yet last for much longer?

GM has no passion. They have no drive. They are, for lack of a better word, content withj what they have.

Being content is death to any economy, death to any business, and you're damn right if you think it will bring death to that automotive manufacturer.

Do I want them to fail? no.
Do they look liek they are on the path to failure? Definitely.
Is the the UAW fault? Somewhat.
Is it the GM designers faults? Yeah. Their deisgns are bland and spread over many sub-brands that invalidate their uniqueness
IS it the GM heirarchies fault? Yes. They do not have the fiscal mindset to see that they have no game, have no passion, and are crumbling. They need inspire people top buy their cars, and to do that, they need to start building better ones, and foremost, consolidate that sh!tty brand fiasco that they currently have.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
But if you REALLY look they are NOT the reason rates are going up. Lawsuits have been around before and they will always be around. Rates going up for the MAJORITY are because of the insurance companies. Look at their profit ratios over the last 5 years. As rates go up so do their profits. If thats the case then where is all this money being lost on lawsuits then? Its not.

Malpractice insurqance RATES have been going up drastically. I have no idea if the number of lawsuits, or their awards, are going up or not. that doesn't really matter. The fact is doctors are paying alot mnore for insurance, so they have to charge more to make uo for it.

AGAIN I agree rates have been going up. But it has little to nothing to do with lawsuits but the insuranec companies wanting to make more money since they can;t make it up in the market the way they use to.
They use lawsuits to make them look like th good guy when in fact THEIR profits are going up as so do the rates.

I am just saying stop beliving everything you here from Rush, fox news, etc... and look into it and think for yourself. If you do you will see lawsuits have nothign to do with it and insurance comapnies do.

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: Passions
Toyota needs to buy GM altogether and destroy the UAW with a hammering vengence.

DOWN WITH GM!!! DOWN WITH GM!!! DOWN WITH GM!!!

You are a fvcking moron, you know that?
Do you have ANY idea how many GM vehicles are on the road today?
If GM collapsed it would leave MILLIONS of people without parts or service available for thier cars. Not to mention putting many thousands of people out of work.
I hope someone drives a Toyota up your ass. :|

If GM would stop producing parts, others will. If there is a demand, there will be someone to fill it - that's the essence of capitalism

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
And I'm not going to say it's unwarranted.

However, people crossing their fingers hoping they go under need to realize something. GM is one of the biggest companies in the country, and indirectly employ millions. If they do go under it will send ripples through the whole economy.

It will. These people will find jobs at good companies.

 

[JDub02]

GM sucks because, except for the Corvette, they really haven't had any new ideas in a while ... a long while.

Even as far back as the 60's .. the Camaro was really just a response to the Mustang.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Jumpem
And I'm not going to say it's unwarranted.

However, people crossing their fingers hoping they go under need to realize something. GM is one of the biggest companies in the country, and indirectly employ millions. If they do go under it will send ripples through the whole economy.

It will. These people will find jobs at good companies.

Really tell me all about these "good companies" that pay as well and have just as good or better benifits?

 

[IAteYourMother]

It was a joke <.<

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Jumpem
And I'm not going to say it's unwarranted.

However, people crossing their fingers hoping they go under need to realize something. GM is one of the biggest companies in the country, and indirectly employ millions. If they do go under it will send ripples through the whole economy.

It will. These people will find jobs at good companies.

Really tell me all about these "good companies" that pay as well and have just as good or better benifits?

I mean companies that can flourish in our economy. THe benefits at GM are not realistic, which is part of why it's deservedly finding its stock prices hammered lately.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
AGAIN I agree rates have been going up. But it has little to nothing to do with lawsuits but the insuranec companies wanting to make more money since they can;t make it up in the market the way they use to.
They use lawsuits to make them look like th good guy when in fact THEIR profits are going up as so do the rates.

I am just saying stop beliving everything you here from Rush, fox news, etc... and look into it and think for yourself. If you do you will see lawsuits have nothign to do with it and insurance comapnies do.

I'm not a blind follower of right-wing news. I look into things and generally agree witht hem. Sometimes I disagree.

i've never said insurance companies were blame free. I just brought up that lawsuits are out of hand. Some things that people sue for are ridiculous, and the amounts they get are often way out of line.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
AGAIN I agree rates have been going up. But it has little to nothing to do with lawsuits but the insuranec companies wanting to make more money since they can;t make it up in the market the way they use to.
They use lawsuits to make them look like th good guy when in fact THEIR profits are going up as so do the rates.

I am just saying stop beliving everything you here from Rush, fox news, etc... and look into it and think for yourself. If you do you will see lawsuits have nothign to do with it and insurance comapnies do.

I'm not a blind follower of right-wing news. I look into things and generally agree witht hem. Sometimes I disagree.

i've never said insurance companies were blame free. I just brought up that lawsuits are out of hand. Some things that people sue for are ridiculous, and the amounts they get are often way out of line.

AGAIN and AGAIN.

Look for yourself. The MAJORITY of lawsuits NEVER win, they lose. The few you do hear about will get reduced or lose on appeal. Lawsuits are not the problem, they are just a cover for insurance companies.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
AGAIN and AGAIN.

Look for yourself. The MAJORITY of lawsuits NEVER win, they lose. The few you do hear about will get reduced or lose on appeal. Lawsuits are not the problem, they are just a cover for insurance companies.

What about all the bs lawsuits John Edwards won. He's a perfect example of ambulance chasing scum.

 

[PingSpike]

You want a free market economy? You GOT one. Despite tarrifs the Japanese are still kicking GMs ass. Despite the fact that their cars are still more expensive, people are still buying them.

Why? Because GM is blowing it. They've got a head start and they're coming up behind. Americans want to buy American vehicles by default. And American vehicles have the propensity to be cheaper while offering the same as the Japanese. Sh|t, half of Toyota and Honda's stuff is made in the US now isn't it?

Why are you so concerned about a giant poorly run company? They have the capability to beat the Japanese, but they choose to blow it.

Let the free market kill them. I don't feel sorry for those who don't have the will to help themselves. I'm not going to propose propping up some impotent giant just because a bunch of overpaid UAW autoworkers might lose their jobs for being to greedy. Adapt or die.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: labgeek

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: Passions
Toyota needs to buy GM altogether and destroy the UAW with a hammering vengence.

DOWN WITH GM!!! DOWN WITH GM!!! DOWN WITH GM!!!

You are a fvcking moron, you know that?
Do you have ANY idea how many GM vehicles are on the road today?
If GM collapsed it would leave MILLIONS of people without parts or service available for thier cars. Not to mention putting many thousands of people out of work.
I hope someone drives a Toyota up your ass. :|

British Leyland is LONG gone. But you can buy Triumph and MG parts... Funny how the market recognizes even a small increase in demand and fills it. Imagine the demand that would be created for Gm parts. Do you really think that some company or companies wouldn't come out with parts? And you don't think that all that equipment would just sit there or get scrapped do you? It'd be sold off. And you call others morons?

And how many of those Triumph and MG parts are made from the original moldings and dies? Probably not very many. Also what do they cost you? How easy are they to find?
When AMC went under in 1987 Chrysler took over and trashed a good amount of AMCs old equipment and records simply because it wasnt needed for what Chrysler wanted to do with the factories.

Calin, yes someone else may take over making the parts, but a part that may cost $50 now shoots up to $150 or more simply beacuse someone knows they can make a buck off of it because of demand and a possible shortage. Yes it is how captialism works, but the hurt it would put on people that drive GM vehicles is enormous. Eventualy the demand would subside as people purchased non GM cars and trucks and things would balance out, but I think it would take along while (at least 15 years) for that to happen.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: labgeek

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: Passions
Toyota needs to buy GM altogether and destroy the UAW with a hammering vengence.

DOWN WITH GM!!! DOWN WITH GM!!! DOWN WITH GM!!!

You are a fvcking moron, you know that?
Do you have ANY idea how many GM vehicles are on the road today?
If GM collapsed it would leave MILLIONS of people without parts or service available for thier cars. Not to mention putting many thousands of people out of work.
I hope someone drives a Toyota up your ass. :|

British Leyland is LONG gone. But you can buy Triumph and MG parts... Funny how the market recognizes even a small increase in demand and fills it. Imagine the demand that would be created for Gm parts. Do you really think that some company or companies wouldn't come out with parts? And you don't think that all that equipment would just sit there or get scrapped do you? It'd be sold off. And you call others morons?

And how many of those Triumph and MG parts are made from the original moldings and dies? Probably not very many. Also what do they cost you? How easy are they to find?
When AMC went under in 1987 Chrysler took over and trashed a good amount of AMCs old equipment and records simply because it wasnt needed for what Chrysler wanted to do with the factories.


Many are, some are made from updated ones, what difference does it make as long as the quality is OEM or better?

As for cost..adjusted for inflation, and depending on the Pound (for U.K. suppliers) Many, if not most are actually CHEAPER.

They are as easy to find as going online or opening up a catalog. (welcome to the internet).

Any idea what the phrase "beating a dead horse" means?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Toyota won't but GM, they dont want all the extra baggage that comes with it.
Yes, you can find parts for a DeLorean, Studebaker, Hudson or AMC if you wanted to. The thing is parts generaly are not being made anymore. Once they are no longer made and the suplies start to dwindle the price skyrockets. All of the makers mentioned here with the exception of AMC were fairly small, nothing on the scale of GM anyways. People now expect cars to last at least 10 years and that simply isnt possible without replacement parts being inexpensive and readily available.
I had an AMC for about a year, during the time I had it it needed several repairs. Some parts were fairly easy to find. Others, like an exaust manifold, took weeks and were very expensive.

If there is demand for the parts, some one will make them. Its as simple as that. Amazing business opportunities don't just get sit around being ignored you know? If Toyota doesn't want to buy them, some one else will.

Ford will do it. lol

 

[0roo0roo]

blame the south. they are dead loyal and garranteed sales. so gm builds to their tastes. even if its bad for them in the long run😛