ok...., THATS IT!!!! Whats so damn special about OSX!!!!!

[FOBSIDE]

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
Id maybe buy a Mac if they shipped theyre damn computers with two button mice! Yeah yeah, I know you can put a two button mouse on a Mac but I dont want to have to buy one separatly...Its un-American!

i know what you mean. i use a microsoft mouse on my powerbook. even if i had a one button mouse with my laptop id probably use a 2-button mouse. i really hope that wont stand in the way of you buying an apple cuz that just seems silly. 🙂

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: bdog231

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: FOBSIDE

Heck, what company doesnt say their product is the best?

thats true, but maybe apple is validated when they say it. you dont take it on face value. you try it out yourself if you can. i mean, what pain killer is the best? tylenol? advil? you gotta be able to test the claims companies make.

uh... the winXP ads are flying people IIRC. the OSX ads say they have the power of unix. which is more informative?

And OSX is a very very nice OS - if it ran on x86 and had games / my specific apps (not equivalent ones - just habit/comfort 😉) I would drop XP in an instant. I'd drop linux, too.

I'd much rather look at flying people than watch an anorexic modle[sic] tell me something is way better than something else when he knows nothing about either of the 2 while stating no specific advantages.

Advertizing works better when you appeal to emotion and not intellect.

The least they could do is have Steve Jobs stating some facts.

Go download a keynote speech. Check him out flicking some dude off.

Windows dose[sic] not need such publicity because it sells like hot cakes and almost every PC uses it.

Whether the consumer wants it or not 😉

What more advertisement could you need? All I used in high school were iMac's or those G3/G4 Towers. They didn't work half the time, and the iMac's had hardware issues constantly, some of them froze quite often to[sic].

Sounds like bad administration. Plus, you must have been using an older version of Mac OS X. Get a newer version and you will see that it is much better now. Unless of course, you are older than you are acting in which case, try Mac OS X. Its nice.

I can't count the number of times I walked into a computer lab and saw a print out with a fat arrow pointing me to the next computer.

As opposed to a pretty blue screen?

You can't tell me the kid?s screwed up the computer either because of the security restrictions flat out limiting you to typing and saving word files on the main server for that particular lab, and research on the Internet.

I can still tell you people screw things up. Look at Microsoft Windows for the perfect example of how security precautions dont always work.

IMO OSX did not seem user friendly at all when compared to the PC.

How much did you use it compares to how much you have used a PC?

But since I?m so at home with Windows I can?t say it?s not user friendly.

Ahhh you just proved my point. 🙂

What I?m gathering from all your posts is that OSX is for the people who are complete morons with a computer.

And people that need the features it has.

I remember a multi media lab with some video editing software that seemed EXTREMELY simple. But is it really that hard to read a manual on how to Install such software on a PC?

Work tech support for a couple of days.

You would think some people wanting to use a computer as a great tool and hub of communication would take the little time they would need out and learn how to use it.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Ahh the naivete. 😉

People are just to[sic] damn impatient these day?s[sic], and that?s the only reason they run in to problems and get pissy when it comes to windows.

I'm impatient, but that is not my reason for getting "pissy" when it comes to Windows. 🙂

If someone can?t handle Windows XP I don?t think they should be using a computer.

I can't disagree with that one, because I have not used Windows XP.

i can open up a shell window and be right at home

What is a shell btw?

It is basically the interpreter between the user and the operating system. Think cmd.exe in Win2k or the gui in Win9x. Unix specific definition.

 

[Nothinman]

What I?m gathering from all your posts is that OSX is for the people who are complete morons with a computer.

Or those who like pretty GUI with the power of unix.

If someone can?t handle Windows XP I don?t think they should be using a computer.

I've seen countless Windows users confused to hell with XP just because MS moved everything around, should they not be allowed to use computers because MS likes to change things every 2 revisions?

 

[TheOmegaCode]

What I?m gathering from all your posts is that OSX is for the people who are complete morons with a computer.

I feel the same way, only substitute OSX with XP...

 

[josphII]

Can you put a non-Compaq mainboard into a Compaq?

sure you can!

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: MrGrim
The platform is useless to any serious computer user; limited hardware, limited software and no development.

substitute "no development" with "less development" and youve just hit the nail on the head. why would i want to go into a store such as frys and have 90% of everything in the store (hardware, software) not applicable to me?? are macs fundamentally better than PC's? i have no friggin idea and will never find out cause i will never own a mac. its all about compadibility really, and since just about everybody has a pc, well why would i want to buck the trent and not be capable of sharing certain files/programs? just doesnt make sense.

 

[Nothinman]

Can you put a non-Compaq mainboard into a Compaq?

sure you can!

Not the DeskPro I'm sitting at right now.

substitute "no development" with "less development" and youve just hit the nail on the head. why would i want to go into a store such as frys and have 90% of everything in the store (hardware, software) not applicable to me??

Because 90% of that 90% of software sucks hard.

its all about compadibility really, and since just about everybody has a pc, well why would i want to buck the trent and not be capable of sharing certain files/programs? just doesnt make sense.

It's all about getting the most out of the PC (yes, Macs are PCs). Just because I have to work slightly differently in OS X or Linux doesn't mean it's worse than Windows, infact I have a much easier time working Linux than Windows (OS X is another story because the UI is so different).

Get what works for you, but don't scream about how much the other chioces suck when you've never really used one because you just look like an idiot.

 

[Sunner]

All the tower DeskPro's we have at work are standard ATX boxes.

But anyways, I'll say what I allways say in Mac vs x86 threads.
Apple's biggest fault is their pricing, Macs are too damn expensive.

Aside from that, I'd say Macs are a supperior platform compared to x86's in most aspects.

 

[BD231]

Sorry for the blank post, I had some stuff typed up but I lost it on accident and don?t feel up to typing it all out again. This thread is getting a little bias. Saying that 90% of PC software sucks is just nuts. TheOmegaCode made a good statement in saying he feels XP is for the dummies and OSX is not. This is clearly a bias statement and shows me that there are just to many variables in this topic(i.e., I hate Microsoft and junk like that). I hope you didn?t think I was putting down the Mac or OSX is general TheOmegaCode, I was just stating past experience, and what I gathered from the thread when I last posted. From now on I?ll just look at it as ?Mac people will be Mac people?, so far the Mac and OSX have no real advantage over the PC that is not met by a limitation. The PC and the Mac both have their up sides and down sides. The plug-n-play is a moot topic, as I doubt it's very hard to have a working standard with such a small line of computers. USB has always been plug-n-play for me, sure I may have needed to place a driver disk in a tray then close it on a few occasions and let the computer do the rest, but if you can complain about that your just plain lazy. Mac's will remain a mystery to me untill there comes a point where I dont have a choice but to use one for an extensive period of time(college).

 

[FOBSIDE]

Originally posted by: Sunner
But anyways, I'll say what I allways say in Mac vs x86 threads.
Apple's biggest fault is their pricing, Macs are too damn expensive.

Aside from that, I'd say Macs are a supperior platform compared to x86's in most aspects.

posted from n0c's previous post: Macs are cheaper than PCs

 

[Rainsford]

Here's what special about OSX, it's a well supported Unix based OS that has a fair amount of hardware support and is user friendly. I would give my left arm for a Unix based OS that would run on a PC and work with all my programs. OSX may not have quite the application support as Windows does, but if it did I would be strongly tempted to move to Apple.

By the way, other than OSX, I think Apple's previous operating systems are truly crap. Without that Unix base, the old Apple OS seems to crash more than any computer I've ever had (even the 98 ones). But that doesn't mean I can't see when Apple does something right.

 

[Nothinman]

All the tower DeskPro's we have at work are standard ATX boxes.

We have the desktop models, they have a riser card in them so the PCI slots are sideways. They're easy to work in, but you can't put a different motherboard in there.

This thread is getting a little bias. Saying that 90% of PC software sucks is just nuts.

Not really. I really think nearly all the software available has some problem big enough for me not to buy it, and to me that qualifies it for the 'sucks' column. I never said 90% of Mac or unix software rocks, mind you. Although I do like most Open Source projects better than their closed counterparts, mainly because I've not paid for anything so the problems seem less important and I can fix some of the smaller ones myself.

I think Apple's previous operating systems are truly crap. Without that Unix base, the old Apple OS seems to crash more than any computer I've ever had (even the 98 ones).

And noone will argue with you, hell I don't think Mac OS had protected memory until 7.X. I would never use a Mac that didn't have OS X (or Linux) on it.

 

[Rilescat]

Apple has had a very similiar problem to items like OS/2 and such. Decent product, decent company, CRAP marketing, and stupid people leading the show that think they are KINGS OF THE FIELD, or are just unable to allow a technology not made by their company to become integrated with their product.

That's my 2cents

 

[Charles]

bdog, check out this website Griffman's OS X Solutions, download the book for free. Mac OS X Guide Book

 

[TheOmegaCode]

Originally posted by: bdog231
Sorry for the blank post, I had some stuff typed up but I lost it on accident and don?t feel up to typing it all out again. This thread is getting a little bias. Saying that 90% of PC software sucks is just nuts. TheOmegaCode made a good statement in saying he feels XP is for the dummies and OSX is not. This is clearly a bias statement and shows me that there are just to many variables in this topic(i.e., I hate Microsoft and junk like that). I hope you didn?t think I was putting down the Mac or OSX is general TheOmegaCode, I was just stating past experience, and what I gathered from the thread when I last posted. From now on I?ll just look at it as ?Mac people will be Mac people?, so far the Mac and OSX have no real advantage over the PC that is not met by a limitation. The PC and the Mac both have their up sides and down sides. The plug-n-play is a moot topic, as I doubt it's very hard to have a working standard with such a small line of computers. USB has always been plug-n-play for me, sure I may have needed to place a driver disk in a tray then close it on a few occasions and let the computer do the rest, but if you can complain about that your just plain lazy. Mac's will remain a mystery to me untill there comes a point where I dont have a choice but to use one for an extensive period of time(college).

I understand where you are coming from. I used to be a Wintel zealot. I have since worked on a lot of macs, as well as a lot of pc's. I've also discovered POSIX bases operates. It's not that I hate wintel (or winmd? 😕 ) machines, they serve their purpose. As a matter of fact, I have far more experience with Windows than any other operating system. I troubleshoot Win 3.11, 9.x, 2k, XP, and NT 4.0 where I work; I know these Operating Systems. With Linux, BSD, and OSX, I have little experience, but I can see great potential... I know my comment was biased. However my bias is based off of my past experiences, but my friends as well...

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Nothinman


And noone will argue with you, hell I don't think Mac OS had protected memory until 7.X. I would never use a Mac that didn't have OS X (or Linux) on it.

Mac Classic OS (at 9.2.2 now) still has no protected memory. At the same time, neither did 95, 98, and Me which are the proper comparisons to the classic Mac OSes.

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Nothinman


And noone will argue with you, hell I don't think Mac OS had protected memory until 7.X. I would never use a Mac that didn't have OS X (or Linux) on it.

Mac Classic OS (at 9.2.2 now) still has no protected memory. At the same time, neither did 95, 98, and Me which are the proper comparisons to the classic Mac OSes.

this thread is about OS X, not the previous versions (which i strongly dislike)

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: FOBSIDE

Originally posted by: Sunner
But anyways, I'll say what I allways say in Mac vs x86 threads.
Apple's biggest fault is their pricing, Macs are too damn expensive.

Aside from that, I'd say Macs are a supperior platform compared to x86's in most aspects.

posted from n0c's previous post: Macs are cheaper than PCs

If there's one thing I'll never believe, it's studys about TCO.
Heck, Sun could probabaly come up with a study that showed it was a good deal for kindergardens to buy Blade2000's.

But if you can find me a PowerMac G4 for anywhere near the same price as a high en x86 box, I'll be very impressed.
I did a check in Apple's online store, and made a little comparison, and while I dont have the numbers in my head, a decently configured Mac was between 2-3 times the price of a PC that would beat the Mac in most areas, in terms of performance.

Don't get me wrong, I like Macs, and would love to buy one, but around here(Sweden), the PowerMac's start at $2.200.
Heck, for their second best model, priced at a mere $4.100, you still only get a GeForce 4 MX.

Now I can see the point about getting all those nifty programs, like iTunes, iPhoto, iEtcEtc along with the OS, but really, I dont want any of that crap, I could pay $5 extra to not get it so I wont have to spend time getting rid of it.
It's like all the crap XP comes with, annoying at best.

 

[Nothinman]

Mac Classic OS (at 9.2.2 now) still has no protected memory. At the same time, neither did 95, 98, and Me which are the proper comparisons to the classic Mac OSes.

But they all do have Virtual Memory, which in itself provides some protection. There's only a certain section of Win9X memory that any program can write to, can't remember off hand where it is though.

 

[gsiener]

All I can say to anyone that dismisses OSX is this:

Have you really become so brainwashed that you can't try something new? Anyone that says OSX isn't good clearly hasn't USED it. When I say use, I don't mean clicking the pretty pictures, etc. I mean editing a movie (FCP) or mastering audio (PT) or using iPhoto, or the new Office for X. Everything works really well, and is tremendously optimized. I can type cron in a terminal, and remind myself this is Unix behind everything. I have no bias, I use whatever works well, which has been a lot of pcs. This past year has opened my eyes to macs though, and they truly are something special. If you want to play Quake 3 and get 200fps and brag about how l33t your box is, go ahead. I'll be publishing movies (Yellow Tail).

Thanks for your time.

 

[mangled]

personally, if I wasn't a gamer, I'd buy a Mac with OSX and one of those cinema displays in a heartbeat.

but alas, my addiction will keep me on the PC 😉 WinXP ain't bad at all.