ok so is Iran getting into the game too?

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Dari

where in that story does powell say that were on the prowl?

Democracy in Iraq 'could reshape the Middle East'

 

[Miramonti]

Now's an opportune time for countries to start or put in gear their nuclear weapons program if they've contemplated it at all recently. The US is politically vulnerable now and won't get away with preemptively bombing everyone.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Originally posted by: Vernor
A country swimming in oil does not spend so much foreign currency on nuclear energy for civilian purposes.

We have a winner!!!

I agree. Give him the Dumbass of the Day award.

maybe you deserve that award.

I'm affraid there many more poeple who deserve it way more than I do.

 

[SuperTool]

The US is now playing Nuclear Whack-A-Mole.
I am not sure what else we can do. It's a losing battle, but the alternatives are not too pretty either.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Now's an opportune time for countries to start or put in gear their nuclear weapons program if they've contemplated it at all recently. The US is politically vulnerable now and won't get away with preemptively bombing everyone.

They'd be irresponsible as a government not to. Its really time for the world to stand up against all nuclear weapons. They shouldn't be allowed by any country.

Otherwise, if a country with nukes goes around threatening all the rest with regime change, they need to defend their people and sovereignty with nukes of their own. I'm personally impressed with e-bombs that the US is currently developing. They could provide limits to empire building opportunities.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Dari

where in that story does powell say that were on the prowl?

Democracy in Iraq 'could reshape the Middle East'

from what I read, it says no such thing. it only said that a democratic iraq could be a domino effect. it doesn't say that we will attack iran.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Dari

where in that story does powell say that were on the prowl?

Democracy in Iraq 'could reshape the Middle East'

from what I read, it says no such thing. it only said that a democratic iraq could be a domino effect. it doesn't say that we will attack iran.

You can be sure they're going to be there helping the process along anyway they can. The fact that that admit this much says a great deal about their future intentions.

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: Dari
The iranians are too smart to hand these weapons to foreign groups because everyone will know where they came from. If they get it, I think that they will be using it more as a deterrent against israel than the united states. that is what has israel worried.

No, that is not what has Isreal worried.

Sweet lord allmighty people. This is why this should NOT be discussed in OT, because the VAST majority of the people here have no business running their mouth about this considering the complete lack of info they have.

As was stated before, I worry more about Pakistan than I would Iran, BUT considering the tone that Iran is taking I would mark them among the higher echelon of middle east countries when it comes to not being a psychotic lunatic ruled nation.

I'm not saying Iran is the most stable place in the world, but neither is our great old US.
And at LEASt Iran is showing that they can be swayed by the opinions of their peers in the worldwide stage. AND the fact that they are INVITING IAEA inspectors in, and the fact that they signed the NPT. I don't, for one, feel stricken with an urge to rush out and buy a bomb shelter just because they are looking to fuel their reactor.

Now IF we start seeing a bunch of runaround (granted it doesnt come from us getting pushy and overbearing with them) and IF the IAEA starts to worry us with reports of less than steller regard for this program, THEN I will worry about Iran.

But I think Iraq and that psychopathic retard running NK are WAAAAYYYYYYYYY bigger fish that need to be fried.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
i think, at the end of the day a nation such as pakistan is more dangerous, as rickn has stated.

one reason is that both Iraq and Pakistan are mainly composed of Sunni Muslims, whereas Iran is mostly Shiite. Unfortunately, the two groups have a history of hatred for each other. For example, in Pakistan, Sunni [majority] - Shiite violence takes place every day. The shiites are persecuted and targeted by fundamentalists [including barging into and gunning down Shiite people while praying in the mosque.] Iraq and Pakistan enjoy warm ties, in fact it was Iraq who was most congratulatory and proud of Pakistan when it conducted its nuclear tests. Iran and Iraq have been at war. Iran and Pakistan's relations are murky because Pakistan was a major supporter [in fact the taliban was founded in PK,not AF] of the Taliban, while Iran hated them. Long before 9/11, Both Iran and India [particularly in Kashmir] have been battling Afghans that have been supported or were members of the Taliban. Iran is a country with a lot of hope folks. It may be in our 'axis of evil', but I think that we should try to work with those people more and work towards the future.

The Sunni muslim thing is definately a difference between Iraq and Iran, but greater so is that the Persian people's hatred of Arabs. And Iraqis are both Arab and Sunni. Not good in terms of the Persians of Iran. Believe me, I know....

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
i think, at the end of the day a nation such as pakistan is more dangerous, as rickn has stated.

one reason is that both Iraq and Pakistan are mainly composed of Sunni Muslims, whereas Iran is mostly Shiite. Unfortunately, the two groups have a history of hatred for each other. For example, in Pakistan, Sunni [majority] - Shiite violence takes place every day. The shiites are persecuted and targeted by fundamentalists [including barging into and gunning down Shiite people while praying in the mosque.] Iraq and Pakistan enjoy warm ties, in fact it was Iraq who was most congratulatory and proud of Pakistan when it conducted its nuclear tests. Iran and Iraq have been at war. Iran and Pakistan's relations are murky because Pakistan was a major supporter [in fact the taliban was founded in PK,not AF] of the Taliban, while Iran hated them. Long before 9/11, Both Iran and India [particularly in Kashmir] have been battling Afghans that have been supported or were members of the Taliban. Iran is a country with a lot of hope folks. It may be in our 'axis of evil', but I think that we should try to work with those people more and work towards the future.

The Sunni muslim thing is definately a difference between Iraq and Iran, but greater so is that the Persian people's hatred of Arabs. And Iraqis are both Arab and Sunni. Not good in terms of the Persians of Iran. Believe me, I know....

I agree...


why do you think i would refute that? But Sunni's tend to be very narrow minded and predujiced, they're like the southern baptists of Christianity [oops, did i say that?].

lol.

 

[Mandrill]

Including Iran in the "axis of evil" was one mistake I felt Bush made in that speech. Everything I've read has said that the Iranian people are actually pro-america. I think Iran is not far from another revolution as the university students are chaffing hard under the fundamentalist rule. So when they were branded the Axis of Evil, that didn't help the Iranian citizens and probably only pissed them off towards the US. I'm sure the labeling was directed at the fundamentalist rulers rather than the people, but the reaction was probably the same as when people say the US sucks and US citizens rally to the defence.

In referance to the oridgional post, I'm not too concerened about Iran, Iraq and NK are much more of a threat.

 

[Vernor]

Originally posted by: Mandrill
Including Iran in the "axis of evil" was one mistake I felt Bush made in that speech. Everything I've read has said that the Iranian people are actually pro-america. I think Iran is not far from another revolution as the university students are chaffing hard under the fundamentalist rule. So when they were branded the Axis of Evil, that didn't help the Iranian citizens and probably only pissed them off towards the US. I'm sure the labeling was directed at the fundamentalist rulers rather than the people, but the reaction was probably the same as when people say the US sucks and US citizens rally to the defence.

In referance to the oridgional post, I'm not too concerened about Iran, Iraq and NK are much more of a threat.

They said the same thing about Reagan and his "Evil Empire" speech.


Fact is, Iran is being ran by an Islamist junta which routinely stones people for such crimes as adultery.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Vernor

Originally posted by: Mandrill
Including Iran in the "axis of evil" was one mistake I felt Bush made in that speech. Everything I've read has said that the Iranian people are actually pro-america. I think Iran is not far from another revolution as the university students are chaffing hard under the fundamentalist rule. So when they were branded the Axis of Evil, that didn't help the Iranian citizens and probably only pissed them off towards the US. I'm sure the labeling was directed at the fundamentalist rulers rather than the people, but the reaction was probably the same as when people say the US sucks and US citizens rally to the defence.

In referance to the oridgional post, I'm not too concerened about Iran, Iraq and NK are much more of a threat.

They said the same thing about Reagan and his "Evil Empire" speech.


Fact is, Iran is being ran by an Islamist junta which routinely stones people for such crimes as adultery.

actually, they are replacing the system of stoning with more humane punishments, atleast when it comes to women anyway. Looks like they're finally stepping into the 21st century

no more stoning..

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Vernor

Originally posted by: Mandrill
Including Iran in the "axis of evil" was one mistake I felt Bush made in that speech. Everything I've read has said that the Iranian people are actually pro-america. I think Iran is not far from another revolution as the university students are chaffing hard under the fundamentalist rule. So when they were branded the Axis of Evil, that didn't help the Iranian citizens and probably only pissed them off towards the US. I'm sure the labeling was directed at the fundamentalist rulers rather than the people, but the reaction was probably the same as when people say the US sucks and US citizens rally to the defence.

In referance to the oridgional post, I'm not too concerened about Iran, Iraq and NK are much more of a threat.

They said the same thing about Reagan and his "Evil Empire" speech.


Fact is, Iran is being ran by an Islamist junta which routinely stones people for such crimes as adultery.

See there are some all primed for the propaganda to begin on Iran now.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Vernor

Originally posted by: Mandrill
Including Iran in the "axis of evil" was one mistake I felt Bush made in that speech. Everything I've read has said that the Iranian people are actually pro-america. I think Iran is not far from another revolution as the university students are chaffing hard under the fundamentalist rule. So when they were branded the Axis of Evil, that didn't help the Iranian citizens and probably only pissed them off towards the US. I'm sure the labeling was directed at the fundamentalist rulers rather than the people, but the reaction was probably the same as when people say the US sucks and US citizens rally to the defence.

In referance to the oridgional post, I'm not too concerened about Iran, Iraq and NK are much more of a threat.

They said the same thing about Reagan and his "Evil Empire" speech.


Fact is, Iran is being ran by an Islamist junta which routinely stones people for such crimes as adultery.

actually, they are replacing the system of stoning with more humane punishments, atleast when it comes to women anyway. Looks like they're finally stepping into the 21st century

no more stoning..

Maybe they will do quartering instead?
Although it is encouraging that they are allowing inspectors, that does not matter when you are dealing with backward regimes. The proximity of Iran to Iraq is scary as well. I can just see Saddam getting a boner from this news and making plans for Iraq-Iran part 2.

 

[Vernor]

See there are some all primed for the propaganda to begin on Iran now.

Why is that people like you don't give a flying **** about human rights in those places ?

 

[Vernor]

actually, they are replacing the system of stoning with more humane punishments, atleast when it comes to women anyway. Looks like they're finally stepping into the 21st century

no more stoning..

You mean 18th century.


Adultery is not a crime in civilized countries.

 

[kermalou]

i see nothing wrong with letting Iran use their "uranium" for civilian purposes, plus Iran is just a puppet for Great Britain, that is why we haven't done anything to them.

 

[rickn]

Adultery is not a crime in civilized countries.

too bad

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Vernor

See there are some all primed for the propaganda to begin on Iran now.

Why is that people like you don't give a flying **** about human rights in those places ?

Did I say I didn't? When is the US attacking Kim Jong Il? Sudan? Burma? Nigeria?

Why didn't the US attack the USSR when Stalin was killing millions of his own people? Mao in China, Pol Pot in Cambodia?

Who voted and made the United States the moral enforcers of the world? Besides, you ought to have a look at your own country before moralizing on others...you have the largest prison population per capita in the world. You're obviously not doing something right.

The US has focused on Iraq, not because it abuses human rights, or has WMD. They'd have many other more suitable candidates. It has to do with oil and the empire building plans of the US administration.