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Ok, so I want the Abit NF7-S. Now I can upgrade 1 add'l components..
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LordPhoenix
Golden Member
Mobile AMD 2500+.
Megatomic
Lifer
The fastest I see available at NewEgg is the 2400+, it's selling for $75 and is retail. It's not a Barton though.
What NF2 board do you have? Is it rated for 200MHz FSB (DDR400)? If so, you should get some PC3200 if you could afford it. In my opinion it's always wise to get the fastest RAM you can get, that prolongs it's usefulness (use it in systems later on).
What NF2 board do you have? Is it rated for 200MHz FSB (DDR400)? If so, you should get some PC3200 if you could afford it. In my opinion it's always wise to get the fastest RAM you can get, that prolongs it's usefulness (use it in systems later on).
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-436&depa=0
Also, he said it was an NF7-S, so yes, he can do DDR400 easily.
Megatomic
Lifer
Oops, I forgot about the NF7-S comment. DDR400 is definitely supported. But as to the mobile chip, it is $25 more than the retail 2400+ and it seems like he is really on a budget. If he gets the mobile he'll have to buy another heatsink for it making it even more expensive.
Simms, how much can you spend exactly?
Simms, how much can you spend exactly?
I'm not THAT much on a budget. Just that my current rig, for now, is ok. I have around $200CDN, which I guess would translate to about $150USD. I'm flexible and don't mind spending a bit more. I was going to buy a shuttle XPC, but I'm kind of wary of results and don't really need a need to go to XPC.
So, with that in mind... more input please. DDR400 = ... PC3200? I'll probably be buying most of my parts from the FS/T forums.
Simon
So, with that in mind... more input please. DDR400 = ... PC3200? I'll probably be buying most of my parts from the FS/T forums.
Simon
1. If you are set on the board, but need to go with stock speeds and cooling get the mobile 2600+. Good performance for now and overclockable later.
2. If you have or can get better cooling, go for the mobile 2500+ and overclockk it. I think some speeze coolers or the tr2-m2 would do it for 12-17 bucks shipped, which is partially offset by the savings on the 2500+.
3. RAM is not going to hurt you too bad because you are used to it. There is a deal on kingston 512 PC3200 CAS3 for 55 shipped after rebate at outpost link I got some mushkin C2.5 from newegg, today they have corsair vs C2.5 for a couple bucks off $77
#2 is by far what I would do. The price-perf declines slightly from there and since you have the NF7-S version 2 you can peg it up to 2.2GH easlily! May need thermal grease such as AS5 or ceramique or shinetsu or ?
Both #1 and #2: The default bus speed will match your current ram 1:1 and when you upgrade cooling and memory, you can go into the BIOS and up the fsb to match. EDIT: When you overclock you can adjust the fsb/ram ratio to fit whatever if you don't/can't oc your ram There is also a decent chance you could overclock your current memory if it's a good brand or if you relax your timings and maybe up the voltage a tad if it needs it (more BIOS stuff) Worth a try for sure. That would mean running at 1:1 200MHz FSB and probably the multiplier of 11 so your result would be around 2.2 GHz. which is the speed of a 3400+ chip. Look up what vcore you need in the mobile OC thread or experiment. Should be around 1.575V? I forget.
2. If you have or can get better cooling, go for the mobile 2500+ and overclockk it. I think some speeze coolers or the tr2-m2 would do it for 12-17 bucks shipped, which is partially offset by the savings on the 2500+.
3. RAM is not going to hurt you too bad because you are used to it. There is a deal on kingston 512 PC3200 CAS3 for 55 shipped after rebate at outpost link I got some mushkin C2.5 from newegg, today they have corsair vs C2.5 for a couple bucks off $77
#2 is by far what I would do. The price-perf declines slightly from there and since you have the NF7-S version 2 you can peg it up to 2.2GH easlily! May need thermal grease such as AS5 or ceramique or shinetsu or ?
Both #1 and #2: The default bus speed will match your current ram 1:1 and when you upgrade cooling and memory, you can go into the BIOS and up the fsb to match. EDIT: When you overclock you can adjust the fsb/ram ratio to fit whatever if you don't/can't oc your ram There is also a decent chance you could overclock your current memory if it's a good brand or if you relax your timings and maybe up the voltage a tad if it needs it (more BIOS stuff) Worth a try for sure. That would mean running at 1:1 200MHz FSB and probably the multiplier of 11 so your result would be around 2.2 GHz. which is the speed of a 3400+ chip. Look up what vcore you need in the mobile OC thread or experiment. Should be around 1.575V? I forget.
That was a lot to swallow. I have a Thermalright SK6 with a modded adapter so I can use an 80mm fan. I plan on getting a rheobus to control fan noise. I want to get the mobile, but I'm not sure if my current system config (SK6+ASII+80mm fan) can OC a 2500+ (what is this in GHz?) With my cooling, could I get it to 2.2GHz (what's this in XP speeds, 3400)?
I can't get in on the memory deal although I'd like to. Rebate only valid in US, and I'm in Canada. I'd probably have to ask someone to buy it for me (unlikely) so I'd probably have to go FS/T. The bus speed on the mobiles is 400mhz, right? That means it would be best to also get PC3200 (400mhz) ram insteald of my PC2100 (266mhz). I have two brands, one is Samsung, and the other is AzenRAM (Generic).
As for Ram timings, I've seen 2-2-3-5 or whatever, and I have NO idea what these numbers mean, or what is better.. is lower always better?
I can't get in on the memory deal although I'd like to. Rebate only valid in US, and I'm in Canada. I'd probably have to ask someone to buy it for me (unlikely) so I'd probably have to go FS/T. The bus speed on the mobiles is 400mhz, right? That means it would be best to also get PC3200 (400mhz) ram insteald of my PC2100 (266mhz). I have two brands, one is Samsung, and the other is AzenRAM (Generic).
How is it 200 FSB? Oh wait, I have my 1700 right now at 133FSB. So what's the FSB of the mobile?
As for Ram timings, I've seen 2-2-3-5 or whatever, and I have NO idea what these numbers mean, or what is better.. is lower always better?
Gamingphreek
Lifer
The buss speed on Mobiles are 266FSB (133x2) So idealy you should run PC2700 (DDR333) or faster for some OCing headroom. However im very sure that your PC2100 will OC if you up the voltage a bit.
Running at 1:1 means running you Memory in sync with your FSB. So if you are running DDR333 memory have your processor running at 333fsb (ie 166x2). In your case without over or underclocking they will run out fo sync thereby increaseing latencies.
In most cases lower is always better however the lowest youll find are 2-2-2-5. Its reallyi not worth it, just get what you can afford. It will be plenty fast.
As for what the numbes mean its very technical but they are all latencies. The one you will here the most about is CAS latency., CAS stands for Column Address Strobe, im no expert at much beyond that. Other common ones youll hear are Precharge, CAS to RAS latency (RAS = Row Address Strobe), there are a lot of others but thats oing out of my knowledge as to what each one does. So i wont say anything else as the possibility of a wrong is too great.
Anyway you upgrade you will notice a speed increase. However personally i would upgrade the Geforce 3 as that will bottleneck you much more than the memory will. Spring for like a 9600Pro or something equivelent.
Have fun 😛 ,
-Kevin
Running at 1:1 means running you Memory in sync with your FSB. So if you are running DDR333 memory have your processor running at 333fsb (ie 166x2). In your case without over or underclocking they will run out fo sync thereby increaseing latencies.
In most cases lower is always better however the lowest youll find are 2-2-2-5. Its reallyi not worth it, just get what you can afford. It will be plenty fast.
As for what the numbes mean its very technical but they are all latencies. The one you will here the most about is CAS latency., CAS stands for Column Address Strobe, im no expert at much beyond that. Other common ones youll hear are Precharge, CAS to RAS latency (RAS = Row Address Strobe), there are a lot of others but thats oing out of my knowledge as to what each one does. So i wont say anything else as the possibility of a wrong is too great.
Anyway you upgrade you will notice a speed increase. However personally i would upgrade the Geforce 3 as that will bottleneck you much more than the memory will. Spring for like a 9600Pro or something equivelent.
Have fun 😛 ,
-Kevin
jacktesterson
Diamond Member
1 vote for Geforce 2 MX-200!
Well I just looked at this review of your current board and it shows adjustments of FSB possible up to 200 MHz and multiplier adjustments. You could try and see what you can get out of that. That way you can learn about overclocking without jeopardizing some brand new hardware. Find your mobo manual or download and print one. Back up your important data, maybe burn it to some CD's. Don't forget to back up your drivers, espeically NIC and CDROM. Based on the age of the board, I believe you don't want to crank up the FSB too far because that will also be overclocking other parts of the system which may or may not be able to take it, but I am not sure. AGP lock or PCI lock would be some terms to look for. Google for your board name +overclock, which will give you some good ideas about results and also maybe some gotchas.
Look at overclocking guide thread and some others are listed there.
Look at overclocking guide thread and some others are listed there.
The reason why I'm switching boards is because if you had read more about my board 8KHA+, the capacitors are exploding. My board has become kind of unstable and so I do need to switch. If I OC, I guess I could practice with this, but I believe my family needs the legacy hardware more than I do to OC. I know the memory will be a bottleneck, but I don't want to spend all that much right now. I think I could go for a GF4 Ti, mobile 2500 and the NF7-S, and about the memory.. should I go with 512 2100, or 256 3200?
Simon
Simon
Wow!
About the memory I would just use what you have for now, but kind of depends what you are doing. Multiple heavy duty apps (photoshop, sql server, programming) and windows xp suck up memory pretty fast, so it's better to have enough memory so that you don't keep hitting the disk to do swap (or virtual memory in Window-ese). If you are doing a limited number of lower-memory consuming apps like email internet and AIM, 256 of faster memory would likely be faster.
You'll get a nice charge out of the cpu upgrade, and something to look forward to when you get more/faster RAM later on. 😎
I don't know too much about them, depends if you want to play games or need special outputs, etc.
Video forum has alot of that stuff. I got an NVidia PNY Verto Geforce MX440 64MB that is just OK for $30 - and the 9800 which was a big stretch. Should have saved the money but at the time I was comparing my total against the Dell I got 5 years ago for way too high of a price.
Video forum has alot of that stuff. I got an NVidia PNY Verto Geforce MX440 64MB that is just OK for $30 - and the 9800 which was a big stretch. Should have saved the money but at the time I was comparing my total against the Dell I got 5 years ago for way too high of a price.
Gamingphreek
Lifer
Its not even an upgrade all a Geforce 4 mx is is an OCed Geforce 2 MX. My Geforce 2 Ti beats the entire lineup of Geforce 4mx's. You Geforce 3 is worlds better than those. FOr an upgrade personally i would get a used 9700Pro or something close to it.
-Kevin
-Kevin
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