Ok, Just a question, And if you wanna be a funny smarta$$ about it then whats to stop you, Afterall it is a forum!! Even though there are hundreds of conspiracy theories out there, If not thousands!! And I am not talking about UFO Conspiracies!!!! Lets just for the sake of it take the best 50 conspiracies and the ones that are brought up the most and circulate the internet the most. Out of all these conspiracy theories would you think that they are all untrue and everyones a whackjob?? Or is it possible just maybe that at least 1 or more out of all of the circulating theories could be true, Or is every single one of them lies?? We know the government cant keep secrets that long and eventually there would be a leak on any one of these theories eventually, But bye that time it would be too late and the ball has allready started to roll, So seriously I just would like to hear some straight forward answers, responses, input, whatever regarding conspiracy theories regarding your government against its own citizens, Afterall you and I know they only tell you what you want to hear and most of the time its lies shooting out there pieholes. So if at all possible please wiegh in on this. Ps: This is not a Democrat or Republican related question, Its just an overall Government vs the American Populace question . Pss: Excuse my spelling and grammer. Thanxs . Steve.
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Ok, Please without being a smartass, And telling me to take my tinfoil hat off!!
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Ok, One more time, Out of all the hundreds of conspiracy theories out there circulating, Do you think that at least there is the possibility that just maybe some of them could be true?? If you dont wanna give a constructive answer then just ignore the post , Pretty simple eh?? Have a good day!!
Fear No Evil
Diamond Member
My theory is that Harvey is a high ranking member of the Obama Administration... I'd say thats likely true.
Cogman
Lifer
Most of the highest ranking conspiracy theories have been disproved multiple times. If anything, people that believe in conspiracy theories are interesting studies of human Psyche. Regardless the amount of hard evidence against their conspiracy (ies) of choice, they will hold on to some fuzzy photo and ignore everything that conclusively proves them wrong.
Do I believe that there are some conspiracies that are going on right now? Yep, however, I also believe that those who are committing them do their jobs well enough that some nut job isn't going to be the one to discover the truth.
Do I believe that there are some conspiracies that are going on right now? Yep, however, I also believe that those who are committing them do their jobs well enough that some nut job isn't going to be the one to discover the truth.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Maybe the question you should ask is whether or not any conspiracy theory has ever been vindicated and shown to have been correct? The answer to that question is probably a better indicator than anything else of the possibility of any current conspiracy theories being true.
Another problem is that conspiracy theorists themselves generally aren't uniform in their beliefs. While their primary supposition is generally the same, the details often diverge in wildly different directions. The 9/11 conspiracy theory is a glaring example of that. The conspiracy theorists even argue amongst themselves over whose conspiracy is the right one.
Another problem is that conspiracy theorists themselves generally aren't uniform in their beliefs. While their primary supposition is generally the same, the details often diverge in wildly different directions. The 9/11 conspiracy theory is a glaring example of that. The conspiracy theorists even argue amongst themselves over whose conspiracy is the right one.
Siddhartha
Lifer
The main problem I have with conspiracies in general is that for them to be feasible there would have to be a complete cover up by alot of people if not the Federal government. I doubt that any secret can remain a secret if more than one person knows it.
For example, a commercial jet went down minutes after it toke off from JFK. One conspiracy was that a US Navy missle ship shot it down. Lets say that 30 people would know that the ship had fired a missle right around the time the jet went down. How long do you think that remain a secret?
sandorski
No Lifer
Certainly there are conspiracies, but most percieve them as Sinister or even Evil. That's just not necessarily the case. Whenever certain groups come together secretly in public all kinds of people get all worked up over the fact these people won't let anyone else know what's going on. Just because it's Secret doesn't mean it's Evil.
Did you know that when you were a kid in school Teachers may have discussed you or your friends? Was that a Conspiracy? Hell, your Parents and Parents of your friends may have also conspired for some purpose about you.
The top brass in the Military make all kinds of Plans/Strategies in secret. Sometimes they even plan to have certain Squads/(or other groupings) of Troops enter into situations they may not survive in order for another group to achieve a strategic victory. Is that a sinister plot or conspiracy?
When various organizations meet in secret, I have no doubt that they are planning and scheming things that will likely affect us all in some manner. I just don't think they are out to get us or preparing us to meet our new Overlord Satan. There are issues that just can't be decided by Majority Opinion and/or Political organizations whho focus mainly on gaining power. There are paths to take and steps to recognize/make towards achieving the success of those Plans. Civilization doesn't have an Invisible Hand guiding it. Everything achieved was achieved because certain People took Leadership and put effort into achieving what we have. Those Plans may not always have all of our Best Interest in mind, but such is Life.
Did you know that when you were a kid in school Teachers may have discussed you or your friends? Was that a Conspiracy? Hell, your Parents and Parents of your friends may have also conspired for some purpose about you.
The top brass in the Military make all kinds of Plans/Strategies in secret. Sometimes they even plan to have certain Squads/(or other groupings) of Troops enter into situations they may not survive in order for another group to achieve a strategic victory. Is that a sinister plot or conspiracy?
When various organizations meet in secret, I have no doubt that they are planning and scheming things that will likely affect us all in some manner. I just don't think they are out to get us or preparing us to meet our new Overlord Satan. There are issues that just can't be decided by Majority Opinion and/or Political organizations whho focus mainly on gaining power. There are paths to take and steps to recognize/make towards achieving the success of those Plans. Civilization doesn't have an Invisible Hand guiding it. Everything achieved was achieved because certain People took Leadership and put effort into achieving what we have. Those Plans may not always have all of our Best Interest in mind, but such is Life.
Schadenfroh
Elite Member
Here's my basic view:
The biggest group of conspiracies are proven relatively quickly, and viewed as such.
After that, another large group are the situation which most LEND themselves to being conspiracy theories, but are not - the things where there is a clear motive, a clear suspect, a big unanswered question, mysteries, things that are well-suited for pointing a finger and suggesting alternatives.
After that are the real conspiracies that take a long time to uncover. These are relatively rare. Some were suspected to varying degrees before being proven, and some were not.
And then there are the conspiracies that are never proven or suspected - a group I suspect is larger than most expect.
That last group is simply when a group conspires to do wrong and to hide it - and succeeds.
The number of such schemes that are eventually uncovered suggests there should be a whole lot of others that succeed.
It's funny, wnen people look at the long list of CIA activities that have been exposed, they rarely pay attention to the implication that if the CIA isn't so horribly incompetent that everything it does covertly gets exposed, there are many more similar activities people still wrongly think were brought about by innocent means.
I'm not talking about grand schemes here a la Illumanit or secret Bond villains - though there are enough such things already in place, such as the Carlyle Group and many others - but rather specific acts, such as price fixing or insider trading or other actions that are one-time conspiracies.
Coincidentally enough, this morning I was thinking about a scenario which could be typical, and considered whether it would be of interest here. Say you are a US Senator, and one of your constitutents gets into a situation against the government with popular support on his side in your state - say a vet who accuses the military of mistreating him on his medical situation (which is the story that led me to the topic). Say you think the Pentagon has a reasonable defense, but that politically, you will just look like you are protecting the government if you say so, at political cost with your constituents. I can easily imagine in those scenarios that there are 'wink wink, nudge nudge' agreements behind closed doors where the Senator privately expresses his support for the military, while publically demanding they answer the charges, to look like he's fighitng for the soldier, and the military plays along, humbly supplying their case to the Senator, maybe even pretending to act annoyed by his 'excessive zeal', while the Senator reluctantly concludes that the military's defense is just a little too strong to allow for any conclusion wrong was done.
Not much of a conspiracy, but probably the sort of thing that happens a lot - just as when Obama, backing off his pledge to demand no immunity for telecom execs, was suspected of working out a deal with Senate leadership to let him look like he was opppsing immunity, while he reluctantly gave in to a 'compromise' when his efforts lost the vote.
Huh? The second part of that is a damn good idea and presumably the sentiment of most Americans, unless you think the reaction to their president being shot was approval.
Were you referring to me? The first part is absurd and has nothing to do with the second. With all the pointless smears posted in this forum, you stand out for some sort of prize.
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