OK. NOW are we in a market correction?

RaistlinZ

Diamond Member
Oct 15, 2001
7,629
10
91
I think we're past it being a simple correction. High oil prices + rising interest rates + inflation + rising energy prices = beginning of a recession?

Either way it's bad news for investors. That 5% e-savings account with Citibank is starting to look pretty damn good with every passing day.
 

bennylong

Platinum Member
Apr 20, 2006
2,493
0
0
it's the end of the world!@ thank god I have money under the mattress. now to pray the apartment doesn't burn down
 

The Batt?sai

Diamond Member
Jan 18, 2005
5,170
1
0
Originally posted by: bennylong
it's the end of the world!@ thank god I have money under the mattress. now to pray the apartment doesn't burn down

money will be worthless in a depression :Q
 

Slew Foot

Lifer
Sep 22, 2005
12,381
96
86
Ive been predicting the US to head into a recession at the end of 2006 for about a year now. Well see what happens.
 

xanis

Lifer
Sep 11, 2005
17,571
8
0
Meh, I'm ready. I have my bike, canned nonperishables, and tent. BRING IT ON!!!
 

PokerGuy

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
13,650
201
101
Actually, I pulled out everything I have from the market a couple of weeks ago and moved it to guaranteed return funds and bond funds. Unfortunately, I think we're heading for a major recession..... :(

The economy has been driven by people overspending and people pulling money out of their home equity based on a strong real estate market. The government has been dificit spending for years, it's going to be time to pay the piper soon.
 

fitzov

Platinum Member
Jan 3, 2004
2,477
0
0
You can shuffle the numbers around all you want, but when I see vets in the street that tells me there's something wrong with the economy.
 

DaveSimmons

Elite Member
Aug 12, 2001
40,730
670
126
Originally posted by: fitzov
You can shuffle the numbers around all you want, but when I see vets in the street that tells me there's something wrong with the economy.
Or at least you see grifters with "help a vet god bless" signs to up their take from the suckers.
 

Stunt

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2002
9,717
2
0
Originally posted by: RichardE
You guys are all overeacting..Bush and Co will save us.
Typically the last 2 years of a president's term outperforms the first two by many times over.

2006-2008 could be different, but look at this trend:
link

Two investors, both with $1000.
One invests year 1 to year 2 of presidential term (since the 50's) = $643 (loses money)
Other invests year 3 to year 4 of presidential term (since the 50's) = $72,701 (72 times more money)
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
50,415
14,305
136
Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
Economy != Stock Market.
Or the Dow Jones Industrial for that matter.

It never ceases to amaze me that most people dislike corporatism but at the same time they will base the health of the entire national economy off the stock performance of a mere 30 major corporations. Talk about a disconnect!

Yes, the economy is slowing down. Energy prices are up and the Fed has raised interest rates 17 times in a row. What else would you expect? The good news is that an economic slowdown will cycle a moderation in inflation and the Fed should stop raising rates (soon). In addition, a downturn in the market will bring about buying opportunities.
 

thirtythree

Diamond Member
Aug 7, 2001
8,680
3
0
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: RichardE
You guys are all overeacting..Bush and Co will save us.
Typically the last 2 years of a president's term outperforms the first two by many times over.

2006-2008 could be different, but look at this trend:
link

Two investors, both with $1000.
One invests year 1 to year 2 of presidential term (since the 50's) = $643 (loses money)
Other invests year 3 to year 4 of presidential term (since the 50's) = $72,701 (72 times more money)
Interesting.
 
May 31, 2001
15,326
1
0
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
Economy != Stock Market.
Or the Dow Jones Industrial for that matter.

It never ceases to amaze me that most people dislike corporatism but at the same time they will base the health of the entire national economy off the stock performance of a mere 30 major corporations. Talk about a disconnect!

Yes, the economy is slowing down. Energy prices are up and the Fed has raised interest rates 17 times in a row. What else would you expect? The good news is that an economic slowdown will cycle a moderation in inflation and the Fed should stop raising rates (soon). In addition, a downturn in the market will bring about buying opportunities.

Exactly. Problem is, too many people jump on the bandwagon when it's already at the top of the hill, then sell as soon as it starts going down a bit.
 

PokerGuy

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
13,650
201
101
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
Economy != Stock Market.
Or the Dow Jones Industrial for that matter.

It never ceases to amaze me that most people dislike corporatism but at the same time they will base the health of the entire national economy off the stock performance of a mere 30 major corporations. Talk about a disconnect!

Yes, the economy is slowing down. Energy prices are up and the Fed has raised interest rates 17 times in a row. What else would you expect? The good news is that an economic slowdown will cycle a moderation in inflation and the Fed should stop raising rates (soon). In addition, a downturn in the market will bring about buying opportunities.
Be that as it may, the stock market is not the same as the economy, but the publically traded stocks reflect the valuation of the companies. The valuation is based on the expected growth of the profits of the company. Clearly, investors are rattled that a combination of factors makes them believe the profit underlying the value of publically traded companies is not headed in the right direction. That's the market verdict. That doesn't mean long term it won't change, but I see a lot of dark clouds gathering in terms of the economy, and I'm glad I pulled out of the stock market a couple of weeks ago.

I understand very well what drives market values and how the economy works -- I work in corporate finance. I hope my view of the long term indicators is wrong.....