Ok, Maybe I went a little overboard, and didn't explain properly.

[RichardE]

I think I went a little overboard with the kill them all, let god sort them out policy. I'm not sure I portrayed what I meant properly.

I never meant to systematically kill every Muslim in the world, that was never my intent. Nor every Arab in the world, I am not refering to mass genocide of an entire race/religion.

What I was refering too was in a battle zone, at what point does every young male become a target? In a war where the enemy does not wear uniforms, and has no specific nation behind it, in the battle zone, when does it become crucial for your survival to just eliminate the probable targets, and leave the obvious innocents alone?

I feel for the innocents in the world, the ones who hold guns and try to kill is I have no mercy for at all. So, with a muslim community that will not speak out, and people who hide our enemies in our home, how are we suppose to differentiate between the enemies and the innocents?

Nothing further to accomplish here.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[jackschmittusa]

Are you a closet serial killer?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Are you a closet serial killer?

Ah, that was mature. I guess war is all flowers and hugs and kisses to you?

Perhaps you can answer the question of why you do or do not think it will eventually come to that.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

No. But unless we stop buying their filthy, dirty, bloody oil, we're going to end up in another World War.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
No. But unless we stop buying their filthy, dirty, bloody oil, we're going to end up in another World War.

I really hope if it comes to another WW3 we do not try to take a high and moral ground with the Chineese and Iranians.

 

[dahunan]

Anything that isn't a bible should be burned.. just like the Muslims tried to do to us in the past

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
No. But unless we stop buying their filthy, dirty, bloody oil, we're going to end up in another World War.

I really hope if it comes to another WW3 we do not try to take a high and moral ground with the Chineese and Iranians.

I'm sure there are people here who know alot more about the China situation than I do...but IMO, we're just going to have to give up Taiwan if we get in a tight spot. Sorry, but thats like China telling us what to do with Cuba; it just isn't going to work, and its not worth a World War.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
No. But unless we stop buying their filthy, dirty, bloody oil, we're going to end up in another World War.

I really hope if it comes to another WW3 we do not try to take a high and moral ground with the Chineese and Iranians.

I'm sure there are people here who know alot more about the China situation than I do...but IMO, we're just going to have to give up Taiwan if we get in a tight spot. Sorry, but thats like China telling us what to do with Cuba; it just isn't going to work, and its not worth a World War.

I would actually volunteer to fight for Taiwain if it came to that. Democracy is pretty rare in the world history, letting it get destroyed like that would be tragic.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
No. But unless we stop buying their filthy, dirty, bloody oil, we're going to end up in another World War.

I really hope if it comes to another WW3 we do not try to take a high and moral ground with the Chineese and Iranians.

I'm sure there are people here who know alot more about the China situation than I do...but IMO, we're just going to have to give up Taiwan if we get in a tight spot. Sorry, but thats like China telling us what to do with Cuba; it just isn't going to work, and its not worth a World War.

I would actually volunteer to fight for Taiwain if it came to that. Democracy is pretty rare in the world history, letting it get destroyed like that would be tragic.

Ok, I'll remember you said that when the sh*t hits the fan ...but let's hope it doesn't come to that.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
No. But unless we stop buying their filthy, dirty, bloody oil, we're going to end up in another World War.

I really hope if it comes to another WW3 we do not try to take a high and moral ground with the Chineese and Iranians.

I'm sure there are people here who know alot more about the China situation than I do...but IMO, we're just going to have to give up Taiwan if we get in a tight spot. Sorry, but thats like China telling us what to do with Cuba; it just isn't going to work, and its not worth a World War.

I would actually volunteer to fight for Taiwain if it came to that. Democracy is pretty rare in the world history, letting it get destroyed like that would be tragic.

Ok, I'll remember you said that when the sh*t hits the fan ...but let's hope it doesn't come to that.

Well have a :beer: before I head over

 

[jackschmittusa]

RichardE

I would not want anyone as socially and morally bankraupt as you to have weapons and be in my outfit. Your "kill 'em all" attitude falls far outside our normal cultural bounds. If many more with your feaky mindset show up, I would say that the terrorists have indeed won, and destroyed our culture.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
RichardE

I would not want anyone as socially and morally bankraupt as you to have weapons and be in my outfit. Your "kill 'em all" attitude falls far outside our normal cultural bounds. If many more with your feaky mindset show up, I would say that the terrorists have indeed won, and destroyed our culture.

See Jack, your problem is you would rather let people die than get the job done. You have this huge "We must be honorable or else we have failed" mentality that while is a nice thing to have, is kind of useless.

The armies job is to keep the state safe and preserve the way of life for the people in that state. If you let anything come between you and that goal than you failed at your job.

I guess what this comes down too is what role you see the army as.

In the states we have never had to deal with bombs blasting our homes, our familes and children being threatened, and hopefully we never will. When it comes to that though, will you want the nice, moral people protecting you, or the people that will make sure to get the job done anyway they can?

I am not advocating this policy for the current wars, which are more target practice than wars. When/if ****** really hits the fan, I pray people like you are not in control of protecting our way of life. The ones who would rather die and betray the state than give up there morals.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Well Richard, I served in the military. Have you?

The Nuremburg Trials made it clear that there were boundries of conduct that civilized nations and their armys should not cross. The Geneva Conventions codified and committed these principles into international law. The whole idea that soldiers need only follow "lawful orders" was based on these principals. The UCMJ includes such terms as well.

Civilized nations debated the kind of actions you propose long before you thought of them and concluded that such actions were dispicable, not justifiable, and deserving of severe punisment. The slaughter of WWII was fresh on the minds of those who drafted these principals and all understood the horrors of war. And yet, they could concoct no senerio that was so bad that it would be deemed ok to abandon these principles.

But you, in your infinite wisdom, seem to have declared that the deliberations of these thousands of learned men, world and military leaders, legal scholars, combat veterns, etc., is invalid. I can't wait for your book.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Will we have to start killing every Young Male we see? Do you guys think it will eventually come to that?

That would have to be a very very very very extreme situation. I think instead a more reasonable (and still extreme) situation would be a massive bombing campaign and change of culture type thing similar to WW2.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: RichardE
In the states we have never had to deal with bombs blasting our homes, our familes and children being threatened, and hopefully we never will. When it comes to that though, will you want the nice, moral people protecting you, or the people that will make sure to get the job done anyway they can?

So what if they (the protectors) killed your child? Would you say its a "cost" of keeping the rest of the us safe? What if they government said "Give up this right and that right and you'll be safe from the big bad terrorists." Are you willing to do that?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: RichardE
I would actually volunteer to fight for Taiwain if it came to that. Democracy is pretty rare in the world history, letting it get destroyed like that would be tragic.

Why wait, Democracy in Lebanon is under attack from Israel.:roll:

Your lack of sllep in reflected in your posts.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Will we have to start killing every Young Male we see? Do you guys think it will eventually come to that?

You mean to say America should turn into a Nazi Germany? Seeing people like you scares me more than the terrorist bombers.:Q

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: RichardE
Will we have to start killing every Young Male we see? Do you guys think it will eventually come to that?

You mean to say America should turn into a Nazi Germany? Seeing people like you scares me more than the terrorist bombers.:Q

Pssst.. he's a sleep deprived Canadian.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
RichardE

I would not want anyone as socially and morally bankraupt as you to have weapons and be in my outfit. Your "kill 'em all" attitude falls far outside our normal cultural bounds. If many more with your feaky mindset show up, I would say that the terrorists have indeed won, and destroyed our culture.

See Jack, your problem is you would rather let people die than get the job done. You have this huge "We must be honorable or else we have failed" mentality that while is a nice thing to have, is kind of useless.

The armies job is to keep the state safe and preserve the way of life for the people in that state. If you let anything come between you and that goal than you failed at your job.

I guess what this comes down too is what role you see the army as.

In the states we have never had to deal with bombs blasting our homes, our familes and children being threatened, and hopefully we never will. When it comes to that though, will you want the nice, moral people protecting you, or the people that will make sure to get the job done anyway they can?

I am not advocating this policy for the current wars, which are more target practice than wars. When/if ****** really hits the fan, I pray people like you are not in control of protecting our way of life. The ones who would rather die and betray the state than give up there morals.

You want to kill the very morals of democracy and start a genocide to kill half of the world population :disgust:

Hitler said "we shall regain our health only by eliminating the Jew"." So what is the difference between your thinking and his?

Do you really think America can win against the rest of the world without bringing an end to it? In school, we had a book called "The Chrysalids" which was based in a world after a WW3. And we may very well have a situation like that. I suggest everybody should read that book and realize war is not all glory. A Nuclear war caused only a handful of people that were not deformed in some way or the other. The rest were sterlilized and sent to a distant part of a settlement.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
No. But unless we stop buying their filthy, dirty, bloody oil, we're going to end up in another World War.

I really hope if it comes to another WW3 we do not try to take a high and moral ground with the Chineese and Iranians.

RichardE, have you lost touch with all reality and the human factor? Perhaps, you just hate humanity. Are you feeling ok, or maybe did you get some tainted milk today?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Will we have to start killing every Young Male we see? Do you guys think it will eventually come to that?

Wake up, Richard, it already has come to that.

Soldiers: We were under orders to kill

Saturday, July 22, 2006
BY ALICIA A. CALDWELL
Associated Press

EL PASO, Texas -- Four U.S. soldiers accused of murdering sus pected insurgents during a raid in Iraq said they were under orders to "kill all military age males," according to sworn statements obtained by the Associated Press.

It happened in Fallujah too. The U.S. ordered civilians to leave Fallujah but when they did the U.S. ordered all "military age males", any male 15 to 55, to stay -- then we destroyed the city of Fallujah along with nearly everyone left in it.

U.S. Won't Let Men Flee Fallujah

Saturday, November 13, 2004
Associated Press

FALLUJAH, Iraq ? Hundreds of men trying to flee the assault on Fallujah have been turned back by U.S. troops following orders to allow only women, children and the elderly to leave.

The military says it has received reports warning that insurgents will drop their weapons and mingle with refugees to avoid being killed or captured by advancing American troops.

As it believes many of Fallujah's men are guerrilla fighters, it has instructed U.S. troops to turn back all males aged 15 to 55.

"We assume they'll go home and just wait out the storm or find a place that's safe," one 1st Cavalry Division officer, who declined to be named, said Thursday.

[...]

On Wednesday, a crowd of 225 people surged south out of Fallujah toward the blocking positions of the Marines' 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion. The Marines let 25 women and children pass but separated the 200 military-age men and forced them to walk back into Fallujah.

And although I was ridiculed on this forum for pointing out the facts at the time we all know what happened next. Over seventy percent of Fallujah was destroyed, and most of the "military age" men who were forced to remain through the onslaught were killed whether they were "insurgents" or not.

Fallujah Battered And Mostly Quiet After the Battle

By Jackie Spinner
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 16, 2004; Page A13

... Asked how the battle was going, Hejlik looked out at the deserted street. "This is what we do," he said. "This is what we do well."

Later, as the sun set and he prepared to return to a military outpost outside the city, Hejlik said he was pleased with the outcome of the battle and the way American troops were taking care of the city until its residents could return.

"What I saw out here is a bunch of professional Marines and soldiers who were protecting the property of the Iraqi people," Hejlik said. "But they continue to whack the bad guys."

In the distance, an artillery shell whizzed through the air and landed with a bang, a sound that honking vehicles might have drowned out had there been any traffic. Instead, there was only silence. After the sun set on the purple horizon, there was nothing to see at all.

Those "bad guys" they continued "to whack" were all of the military age males who were forced to remain in Fallujah whether they were "insurgents" or not.

Rebuilding Not Yet Reality for Fallujah

Inter Press Service
Dahr Jamail and Ali Fadhil

FALLUJAH, Jun 24 (IPS) - One and a half years after the November 2004 U.S. military assault on Fallujah, residents tell of ongoing suffering, lack of jobs, little reconstruction and continuing violence.

The U.S. military launched Operation Phantom Fury against the city of Fallujah-destroying an estimated 70 percent of the buildings, homes and shops, and killing between 4,000 and 6,000 people, according to the Fallujah-based non-governmental organisation the Study Centre for Human Rights and Democracy (SCHRD).

IPS found that the city remains under draconian biometric security, with retina scans, fingerprinting and X-raying required for anyone entering the city. Fallujah remains an island: not even the residents of the surrounding towns and villages like Karma, Habbaniya, Khalidiya, which fall under Fallujah's administrative jurisdiction, are allowed in.

So you see, Richard, not only is it already happening, it's been happening for years.

 

[BBond]

It's easy to digest the party line propaganda here in America but the Iraqi people recognize what's happening because they are there living (or trying to stay alive) with it every day.

At least 11 die in Iraqi gunfight with Sunnis

Saturday, July 22, 2006
BY BASSEM MROUE
Associated Press

... The bodies of two men, two women and a young girl were found in the rubble, the U.S. military said. They included two of the girl's aunts, an uncle and a grandfather, police said. They did not know about the child's parents.

"We regret that civilians are hurt or killed while coalition forces search to rid Iraq of terrorism," the military said. "Terrorists continue to deliberately place innocent Iraqi women and children in danger by their actions and presence."

After the attack, neighbors milled about the wreckage of the concrete building, peering at shrapnel marks on the walls.

"I came running barefoot and saw the catastrophe," said a grizzle-faced man wearing a red-and-white Arab headdress. Another man said: "Is this the democracy they promised us? If there is terrorism in the world, it is American terrorism."

 

[RichardE]

I think I went a little overboard with the kill them all, let god sort them out policy. I'm not sure I portrayed what I meant properly.

I never meant to systematically kill every Muslim in the world, that was never my intent. Nor every Arab in the world, I am not refering to mass genocide of an entire race/religion.

What I was refering too was in a battle zone, at what point does every young male become a target? In a war where the enemy does not wear uniforms, and has no specific nation behind it, in the battle zone, when does it become crucial for your survival to just eliminate the probable targets, and leave the obvious innocents alone?

I feel for the innocents in the world, the ones who hold guns and try to kill is I have no mercy for at all. So, with a muslim community that will not speak out, and people who hide our enemies in our home, how are we suppose to differentiate between the enemies and the innocents?

 

[Stoneburner]

Sure...


You support ethnic cleansing and you indirectly justify the holocaust and then make a thread talking about how you're misunderstood?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Sure...


You support ethnic cleansing and you indirectly justify the holocaust and then make a thread talking about how you're misunderstood?

Where did I justify the holocaust?

As for the Ethnic cleansing, I gave reasons for moving the Palestinians, and it makes life better for all sides involved. The fact you wish to deny that is fine, but you seem to have a vision of moving them all to the desert and leaving them.