OK... I just don't understand this???

[SWScorch]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: mjuszczak
How is it that when I worked out at the gym doing the 28 minute eliptical machine, I would burn 420 calories, in 28 minutes, but not lose that much weight?

Now, I'm running 3.5 miles a day on the treadmill, which takes about 50 minutes, only burning 300 calories, but losing weight at an incredibly higher speed? Less calories burned, more time, more weight loss? HUH?

Haha, this thread is full of stupidities.
There's a level of exercise where you burn fat, and there's above. The fat one is actually quite low, if you get above that you just brun carbohydrates and don't loose any weight.

So when you're running to loose wait you should run just about where you can still keep a conversation going.

I'm the training guru, i know loads about it
Ask on

You're right and wrong . You burn the highest percentage of fat calories at a very easy pace, like you said, conversational, when your heart rate is below 140 bpm. When you increase the intensity, a higher percentage of the calories burned comes from carbs, and less from fat. However, you burn so many more calories at higher intensity that you end up burning more fat, even though you're also burning more carbs at high intensity.

To the OP, as has been said, calorie counters on machines are ridiculous. Running, as far as I know, burns more calories than any other form of exercise, or at least the vast majority. It averages out to about 100 calories per mile, give or take, depending on weight, amount of incline, and intensity. Also, just the fact that you're out there longer means your heart rate is elevated longer, you're burning more calories and your metabolism stays elevated for longer afterwards. Keep up the running, and if you're on a treadmill, try running trails or something a bit more challenging and you'll really se results.

 

[CKent]

Jogging is the best cardiovascular exercise you can get, in my experience.

 

[purbeast0]

I'm actually just getting back into doing running. i broke my ankle 2 januaries ago, and last spring/summer I was doing eliptical for my cardio to stay ripped for the summer because of the no impact.

just the other day actually was my first time running a full mile straight on the track. the gym I go to the track is tiny - 10 laps = 1 mile. at first i could barely run 5 laps straight. tuesday i did 10 laps pretty easily.

now mentally, i hate running 10 laps for 1 mile on the track. it just gets in my head. that means 20 laps for 2 miles. that just seems like so much. is it pretty much a fact that its more effective to run on the track or trails rather than on a treadmill for the same distance? i'm just wondering because thats what it seems lik epeople are referring to in some of the above posts.

back in college 3-4 years ago I used to run 3.75 miles in like 30 mins on the treadmill. i would love to be able to get back up to that rate. i was ripped as all hell but i was pretty skinny (155lbs, 5'11). now i've gained a lot of size and am 188lbs and am still pretty damn lean, but i wanna get ripped for summer time.

eliptical is whaht i'll do some days too, but in general, i just don't feel like eliptical is doing as much as running. it's just too easy heh.

 

[edmundoab]

really depends on the type of exercise, sadly I don't like to do much running as I have no motivation for it.
I play team sports.
Its good too, and definately more fun

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Ricemarine
Who ever said the calorie counting devices on treadmills and elliptical machines were accurate?.

You should try a higher difficulty on the elliptical machine... It could be the fact the calories keep burning AFTER you finish your workout which is why you are losing more weight... Or the fact that it requires more energy to run?.

Basically

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Originally posted by: SophalotJack
Anything low-impact is going to burn a significantly less amount of energy. Such as the elliptical... regardless of what it tells you that you are burning. It's mainly a BS marketing tactic to get people to use that worthless piece of machinery.

running = the pwnerer of calories.

QFT

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
I'm actually just getting back into doing running. i broke my ankle 2 januaries ago, and last spring/summer I was doing eliptical for my cardio to stay ripped for the summer because of the no impact.

Same thing happened here to both my legs in a few different spots.

my right foot even protrudes out when I am not actively thinking about it because my bones set a little off now on my right foot.

 

[xospec1alk]

what about biking? how does that rank?

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
what about biking? how does that rank?

Depends on you cadence, tension, overall body weight, and muscle.

I good rule of thumb is for every mile of running you do, you must do about 3 miles to do the same amount of work on a bike. But since some people can crack out 3 miles on a bike easily, biking can sometimes be more fun.

I know that SPINning at a local gym for an hour can burn about 600-1000 calories. Any less and you aren't doing it right or you have a bad instructor.

 

[nboy22]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: mjuszczak
How is it that when I worked out at the gym doing the 28 minute eliptical machine, I would burn 420 calories, in 28 minutes, but not lose that much weight?

Now, I'm running 3.5 miles a day on the treadmill, which takes about 50 minutes, only burning 300 calories, but losing weight at an incredibly higher speed? Less calories burned, more time, more weight loss? HUH?

Haha, this thread is full of stupidities.
There's a level of exercise where you burn fat, and there's above. The fat one is actually quite low, if you get above that you just brun carbohydrates and don't loose any weight.

So when you're running to loose wait you should run just about where you can still keep a conversation going.

I'm the training guru, i know loads about it
Ask on

I agree.

 

[gigapet]

ok someone tell me where high intensity interval training comes into play?

sprint 1 min
rest 1 min
sprint 1 min
rest 1 min
sprint 1 min
rest 1 min
sprint 1 min
rest 1 min
sprint 1 min
rest 1 min
sprint 1 min
rest 1 min

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: mjuszczak
How is it that when I worked out at the gym doing the 28 minute eliptical machine, I would burn 420 calories, in 28 minutes, but not lose that much weight?

Now, I'm running 3.5 miles a day on the treadmill, which takes about 50 minutes, only burning 300 calories, but losing weight at an incredibly higher speed? Less calories burned, more time, more weight loss? HUH?

Haha, this thread is full of stupidities.
There's a level of exercise where you burn fat, and there's above. The fat one is actually quite low, if you get above that you just brun carbohydrates and don't loose any weight.

So when you're running to loose wait you should run just about where you can still keep a conversation going.

I'm the training guru, i know loads about it
Ask on

Of course there is a time where you burn off carbs, but any high intensity workout needs you to burn the sugars, after you burn the sugars, you burn the fat.

Low intensity workouts, isometric and parametric workouts are quite good, but shouldn't be done by themselves. Pilates is isometric and slight parametric. You need to do high endurance workouts like running to build up your heart as well as you overall gain.

You can also do anaerobic workouts like weight lifting, but even then, you should do high endurance, high intensity workouts to maintain that gain.

The key to healthy living is to not stagnate yourself on one type of workout, but to have a schedule where you work out a certain way and then switch to another workout to best optimize your gain.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
what about biking? how does that rank?

Depends on you cadence, tension, overall body weight, and muscle.

I good rule of thumb is for every mile of running you do, you must do about 3 miles to do the same amount of work on a bike. But since some people can crack out 3 miles on a bike easily, biking can sometimes be more fun.

I know that SPINning at a local gym for an hour can burn about 600-1000 calories. Any less and you aren't doing it right or you have a bad instructor.

In that case, i do 3 miles in about 8-9 minutes on a bike (i do about 8-9 minute miles). But typically i'll do 50 minutes on a bike. and according to my heart rate monitor im burning up to 800 calories.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: gigapet
ok someone tell me where high intensity interval training comes into play?

sprint 1 min
jog 1 min
sprint 1 min
jog 1 min
sprint 1 min
jog 1 min
sprint 1 min
jog 1 min
sprint 1 min
jog 1 min
sprint 1 min
job 1 min

Fixed. and if you can do that, for those 12 minutes, you are a warrior. it's MUCH harder than it sounds.

 

[Koing]

Intervals FTW.

Pick your poison (rower, bike, running etc). 2mins normal pace then one minute fast as you can repeated for 5 sets of that = 15minutes. You will be a wreck at the end.

3x a week and you wil be leaning out pretty fast.

Skipping rope is also a killer, but not one for very overweight people. So it isn't suitable for everyone.

Koing

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: Koing
Intervals FTW.

Pick your poison (rower, bike, running etc). 2mins normal pace then one minute fast as you can repeated for 5 sets of that = 15minutes. You will be a wreck at the end.

3x a week and you wil be leaning out pretty fast.

Skipping rope is also a killer, but not one for very overweight people. So it isn't suitable for everyone.

Koing

so on a treadmill you might do

2 mins @ 6 mph
1 min @ 9.5

x 5 sets ??

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Koing
Intervals FTW.

Pick your poison (rower, bike, running etc). 2mins normal pace then one minute fast as you can repeated for 5 sets of that = 15minutes. You will be a wreck at the end.

3x a week and you wil be leaning out pretty fast.

Skipping rope is also a killer, but not one for very overweight people. So it isn't suitable for everyone.

Koing

so on a treadmill you might do

2 mins @ 6 mph
1 min @ 9.5

x 5 sets ??

yah but i'm warning you heh ... it's looks MUCH easier than it is and is MUCH easier said than done ... MUCH.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Koing
Intervals FTW.

Pick your poison (rower, bike, running etc). 2mins normal pace then one minute fast as you can repeated for 5 sets of that = 15minutes. You will be a wreck at the end.

3x a week and you wil be leaning out pretty fast.

Skipping rope is also a killer, but not one for very overweight people. So it isn't suitable for everyone.

Koing

so on a treadmill you might do

2 mins @ 6 mph
1 min @ 9.5

x 5 sets ??

yah but i'm warning you heh ... it's looks MUCH easier than it is and is MUCH easier said than done ... MUCH.

good. its not a good work out unless you puke

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: Koing
Intervals FTW.

Pick your poison (rower, bike, running etc). 2mins normal pace then one minute fast as you can repeated for 5 sets of that = 15minutes. You will be a wreck at the end.

3x a week and you wil be leaning out pretty fast.

Skipping rope is also a killer, but not one for very overweight people. So it isn't suitable for everyone.

Koing

I did something similar on the bike that Fausto recommended to me over on GeekFitness

10 min warmup
5 min go nuts
5 min normal pace

i lost like 30 pounds in 6 months or something. it was awesome.

edit: repeat until you pass out...

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: mjuszczak
How is it that when I worked out at the gym doing the 28 minute eliptical machine, I would burn 420 calories, in 28 minutes, but not lose that much weight?

Now, I'm running 3.5 miles a day on the treadmill, which takes about 50 minutes, only burning 300 calories, but losing weight at an incredibly higher speed? Less calories burned, more time, more weight loss? HUH?

Haha, this thread is full of stupidities.
There's a level of exercise where you burn fat, and there's above. The fat one is actually quite low, if you get above that you just brun carbohydrates and don't loose any weight.

So when you're running to loose wait you should run just about where you can still keep a conversation going.

I'm the training guru, i know loads about it
Ask on

you are the worst guru ever.

what is loose wait? whatever.

Like everyone said before the longer you keep your heart rate elevated the better.

 

[Gibsons]

The amount of time you spend exercising is crucial. If you're just looking to burn fat, then more time = more fat burned (and not just from the simple fact that you're burning more calories).

At rest, a large percentage of calories come from fat, but you're not burning much. Start exercising vigorously and you initially burn mostly carbs, but the percentage of fat rises over time, reaching a peak of about 40% at about 30-40 minutes.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Koing
Intervals FTW.

Pick your poison (rower, bike, running etc). 2mins normal pace then one minute fast as you can repeated for 5 sets of that = 15minutes. You will be a wreck at the end.

3x a week and you wil be leaning out pretty fast.

Skipping rope is also a killer, but not one for very overweight people. So it isn't suitable for everyone.

Koing

so on a treadmill you might do

2 mins @ 6 mph
1 min @ 9.5

x 5 sets ??

you need to base it on your heart rate not on mph (unless they equate to heart rate). you basically want the 1 minute to be like you're running from a pack of wolves or something.

my shift key is broken or something.

I personally prefer the following. It's similar.

Minute 1 50% of predetermined max HR
Minute 2 60%
Minute 3 70%
Minute 4 80%
Minute 5 90%
Minute 6 60%
Minute 7 70%
Minute 8 80%
Minute 9 90%
minute 10 70%
Minute 11 80%
Minute 12 90%
Minute 13 70%
minute 14 80%
Minute 15 90%
Minute 16 70%
Minute 17 80%
Minute 18 90%
Minute 19 90%
Minute 20 100%
Minute 21-23 Cool Down

Something along those lines. Generally it's a roller coaster building up to a sprint then back down. Repeat until the end where it's pretty damn tough for the last 3 minutes.

 

[manlymatt83]

OK.... so are you people saying that it would be possible for me to lose another 10 pounds if I run three miles a day out on the track at my school? I've already got the endurance built up from working out daily at the gym for 6 months... but now I'm stuck at 220 and I want to get down to 210 before graduation (may 8th).

 

[eakers]

those calculators lie.

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Your keeping your heart rate up for a longer period of time thats why. The calorie counters on the machine are estimates. You really can't go by them. To maximize weight loss you need your heart rate to be at 65% of its maximum for at least 30 minutes or longer in duration in order for your body to reach the fat burning zone.

 

[manlymatt83]

I don't understand then......

When I run, my pulse ranges 170-185. This is 90% of my max heart rate, and this is while I'm running 3 miles, at the same pace, around the track or on the treadmill. So you're saying I could run three miles a day at this heart rate and not lose as much weight as if i speed walked on the treadmill for less mileage, the same amount of time, at 150-160 pulse?

I see these stories all the time of runners getting in incredible shape for running three-four miles per day....

-Matt