Ok Hippies it's time to choose

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bfdd

This is ridiculous. Really? This is what the fuck is going on? I really really really hate hippies.

Proud to consider myself among them and fuc... wait a mininute... Peace out, brother.

Fuck the fact global warming is basically bunk(yes i realize it is warmer now than 100 or 200 years ago, that doesn't mean jack shit) and have had to put up with all this "go green" non sense(btw I am all for cutting down pollution, but this shove it down your throat shit gogogo without a plan crap is dumb).

And fuck the fact that you're a blithering know nothing idiot who doesn't give a rat's ass that your own ignorance is one of the major obstacles to solving the problems of global warming.

So which is it hippies, do you want clean renewable energy OR do you want to save all the cute little animals? You can't have both, pick one. Something has to give for something new to rise, that's how fucking everything works. Hell even in physics, for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction. You can't change that shit. The choice is yours.

This project involves a conflict between endangered species and a particular solar energy project. Extrapolating that to imply that such conflicts exist with every green energy project is bullshit. Get back to us in whatever century you can prove otherwise.

Until you can, you're full of shit. :thumbsdown:

 

[manowar821]

Nope, sorry.

 

[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: bfdd

Originally posted by: sandorski
You can have both. This thread is so Fail.

Nope sorry, that's not going to work. You have to pick one or the other because <<<<I'm fucking sick and tired of seeing <<<<some stupid animal get in the way of shit that needs to be done. You've obviously never experienced it, I have first hand while working on a site to build a new dehydration plant for natural gas that was cleaner. Fox gets in the pipe, whole pipe is dead and is not it's natural habitat. You have to fucking pick one or the other because this is getting ridiculous.

Don't blame a fox for the lack of foresight in your company to allow it to get inside your pipe,
maybe you need your pipe and some rock now?
I reckon it's not the only thing you've experienced with your hand is it?
your a lill' tommy tanka!
maybe you should backoff on the overclock, on such a weak lill chip?

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: rbV5
OK, Lets pretend there is not a land rush in the west for solar and wind projects (BLM and Forest Service are working through applications that would cover 2.3 million acres in the Western US, this 5000 acre project is a drop in the bucket). There are more than 100 projects, mostly solar, in that area of the Mojave alone, including a 4000 acre site just East of the Ivanpah plant that was just dropped.

For instance, there are 250,000 abandoned mines in the Western US alone. EPA Brownfields (polluted land) are another source of potential lands. (There are a number of abandoned Wind Farms surrounding the Mojave as well.)

Far from being ridiculous as the OP suggests, it makes no sense to give away undeveloped public lands when there are PLENTY of alternative sites available. Undeveloped, sensitive areas should be held out untill there are no other lands available.

On a one to 10 knowledge scale about this topic, I think this post was a 10, while the OP has displayed a 1 over and over.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: rbV5
OK, Lets pretend there is not a land rush in the west for solar and wind projects (BLM and Forest Service are working through applications that would cover 2.3 million acres in the Western US, this 5000 acre project is a drop in the bucket). There are more than 100 projects, mostly solar, in that area of the Mojave alone, including a 4000 acre site just East of the Ivanpah plant that was just dropped.

For instance, there are 250,000 abandoned mines in the Western US alone. EPA Brownfields (polluted land) are another source of potential lands. (There are a number of abandoned Wind Farms surrounding the Mojave as well.)

Far from being ridiculous as the OP suggests, it makes no sense to give away undeveloped public lands when there are PLENTY of alternative sites available. Undeveloped, sensitive areas should be held out untill there are no other lands available.

On a one to 10 knowledge scale about this topic, I think this post was a 10, while the OP has displayed a 1 over and over.

There is going to be great pressure to kowtow to these types of projects. California has tough mandates for renewable energy in the not too distant future, and there are a number of companies prospecting for the prime spots to place energy projects.

This particular project will be easy ammunition for this type of faux "outrage" as in the OP, as well as thoughtful WTF's from environmentally leaning folks. BrightSource Energy are easily branded as "victims" and the "good guy" (Green project, desert location) and have a relationship with enviromental lawer Robert Kennedy Jr. through his involvement with the venture capital group that put up the money for this particular project. Folks in the East think the desert West is wasteland and don't picture it as a diverse environment. The President and his administration are pressing hard for these types of renewable energy projects. Feinstein is easily painted as the devil for wanting to place a National Monument in the area to protect pristine areas from development.

The fact is, companies have scrambled to apply for energy projects....far more than they would ever develop. They know that all projects won't be approved, and in talks with Feinstein have all agreed that they will place their projects in other areas....however, BrightSource had really touted this project, Kennedy speaks of it often in speeches, I've even seen it on the Discovery Channel (or one of those types of channels) and therefore you now have a messy political fight.

This will be a poster child for pitting environmental groups against each other, while promoters can sit back and point fingers..."See, the crazy, dirty hippies are obstructionists". Hopefully, in the end, we won't compromise our protection of environmentally sensitive areas in a rush to develop cleaner, renewable energy sources that we truely do need. Its pretty obvious we can have both....and also obvious that it won't be easy.

Edit: replaced "cow down" with the proper "kowtow"

 

[feralkid]

Thanks ^^^

:sun:

 

[alien42]

is there still a contest for fail post of the year?

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: bfdd

Originally posted by: sandorski
You can have both. This thread is so Fail.

Nope sorry, that's not going to work. You have to pick one or the other because I'm fucking sick and tired of seeing some stupid animal get in the way of shit that needs to be done. You've obviously never experienced it, I have first hand while working on a site to build a new dehydration plant for natural gas that was cleaner. Fox gets in the pipe, whole pipe is dead and is not it's natural habitat. You have to fucking pick one or the other because this is getting ridiculous.

Quoted from the OP....

"So which is it hippies, do you want clean renewable energy"

So tell me how is Gas a renewable energy?

I think that's the problem with idiots on this board. COAL, GAS, OIL does not equal renewable energy. And where do we get 90% + for power in this fucked up country? That's right... Coal fired "NON" renewable energy. It's in finite supply and we are digging deeper and deeper to get it out since we burn a shit load of tons daily to keep up with demand. What happens when "CHEAP" coal runs out? What do we do now? Well, we better have solar, wind online to take it's place. This is "REALITY" and while it might not happen in the next 10 years, we gotta wake up to the facts that soon we gotta find alternative ways soon.

So now what is your brilliant idea?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: rbV5
OK, Lets pretend there is not a land rush in the west for solar and wind projects (BLM and Forest Service are working through applications that would cover 2.3 million acres in the Western US, this 5000 acre project is a drop in the bucket). There are more than 100 projects, mostly solar, in that area of the Mojave alone, including a 4000 acre site just East of the Ivanpah plant that was just dropped.

For instance, there are 250,000 abandoned mines in the Western US alone. EPA Brownfields (polluted land) are another source of potential lands. (There are a number of abandoned Wind Farms surrounding the Mojave as well.)

Far from being ridiculous as the OP suggests, it makes no sense to give away undeveloped public lands when there are PLENTY of alternative sites available. Undeveloped, sensitive areas should be held out untill there are no other lands available.

On a one to 10 knowledge scale about this topic, I think this post was a 10, while the OP has displayed a 1 over and over.

I agree. I nominate rbV5 as expert of this thread and topic.

 

[teclis1023]

What's the point of this thread?

All I see is someone ranting about hippies and global warming. It's always much funnier when Cartman does it, but that's because he's such a ridiculous character.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: teclis1023
What's the point of this thread?

All I see is someone ranting about hippies and global warming. It's always much funnier when Cartman does it, but that's because he's such a ridiculous character.

Apparently so is the OP.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: alien42
is there still a contest for fail post of the year?

There must be, because the competition is very heated.

 

[imported_inspire]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All this shows is that Bush is every bit the idiot he appears to be.

Or that Clinton talks a big game but doesn't always deliver. Drop the BS, MB.

 

[imported_inspire]

Originally posted by: teclis1023
What's the point of this thread?

All I see is someone ranting about hippies and global warming. It's always much funnier when Cartman does it, but that's because he's such a ridiculous character.

Yeah, but the responses to the OP are pretty funny, too.

 

[BrownTown]

OH well crap, my company was the one that was supposed to build that plant, guess some people are gonna be laid off pretty soon ...

I'm not sure what the OPs point was and all, but it is kind of ironic that all the same people who are the biggest supporters of green energy in THEORY are also the biggest opponents of it in FACT. Stupid NIMBYs piss me off. Killing projects that could have created hundreds of jobs, reduced our dependence on fossil fuels, made the air a little cleaner etc just because of some damn sheep? Well personally I think its kind of sad although maybe its just because i was hoping to work on this project, just hope nobody I know personally loses their job over this, but TBH it may very well happen.

 

[Skitzer]

All your solar panels are belong to us

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Hey man.. is Dave here?

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: Skitzer
All your solar panels are belong to us

Its not solar panels, its just a bunch of mirrors that shine light onto a single source to boil water. The secondary side is a steam turbine exactly like any oil, coal, or nuclear plant would use. That's the point, you don't need those absurdly expensive solar panels, you can use a steam turbine which is a very well understood and well refined technology.