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OK heres to you bad resume writing people...

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SaDiZTiKStyLeZ said:
With frequent enough threads related to the job hunt why isn't there a sub-forum for it?

I've been reworking my resume since I'm looking for a new job, only thing I'm stuck at is converting my objective into a profile statement, just can't find the right words for it. I tried to ask career services at my school, they said flow looked fine and all. I had asked for help on the change from objective to profile, & he just sent me a guide I've gone over several times about resume tips. -_-
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What do you mean by profile? When I send resumes they have an objective followed by work experience, education and skills.
 
BlahBlahYouToo said:
how much value is there being a guild leader in WoW?
it's on my resume under leadership skills but i haven't been getting many callbacks and interviews.
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SaDiZTiKStyLeZ said:
LOLOL :awe:
Save this one for interview discussion.
"I know how to manage and train lots of retards and annoying people."
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To be honest, I recall reading a news article about a heavily organized guild leader in WoW getting hired for a business job. They knew what work he was doing in the game (presumably from them also being players) and it helped him get the job.

Honestly cases like these are obviously rare.
 
Poor spelling is a deal breaker for me. I had a resume come through that said "Chef Tech" 3 times. I'm not looking for a Chef, a Chief Tech would be good though. Zero capitalization is another deal breaker for me. What happened to trying to make a good impression? People submit complete crap.

If you're not going to put forth the bare minimum effort of putting out a basic resume, then I'm going to simply tell H.R. "Lets set up some more interviews." and proceed with "Pass on John Doe, we found someone more qualified."

We should be able to simply say "John Doe cannot read, write, or speak English at an acceptable level....PASS"
 
Blackjack200 said:
What do you mean by profile? When I send resumes they have an objective followed by work experience, education and skills.
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http://www.easyjob.net/resume/resume-profile.html

I know an objective should already be in profile format. I know what I'm looking for in a job, just not sure what I should be putting down for what I have to offer, that isn't already supposed to be a required trait for any position.
 
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gaidensensei said:
To be honest, I recall reading a news article about a heavily organized guild leader in WoW getting hired for a business job. They knew what work he was doing in the game (presumably from them also being players) and it helped him get the job.

Honestly cases like these are obviously rare.
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I've related my WOW experience when it comes to working in groups when discussion would present itself at school or looking for a job. But I mostly save that kind of nerdism until after I've gotten the job and "warmed" up to people. I don't play much anymore, so I don't talk about it anywhere near as much as I used to.
 
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gaidensensei said:
To be honest, I recall reading a news article about a heavily organized guild leader in WoW getting hired for a business job. They knew what work he was doing in the game (presumably from them also being players) and it helped him get the job.

Honestly cases like these are obviously rare.
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http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.04/learn.html

I agree, you want to be careful when to bring it up...since it's not as easy to verify.
 
Marlin1975 said:
For the Fed Gov we have PD's/Statement of works that tell us the job. The office that needs the person has to sign off on it. So if they did their job correct we in HR know what they want and read resumes to see if it matchs the job.

Also in the Fed Gov, 99% of the time you can not go around HR. So that may work in the private sector, not really in the Fed. Now the person doing the selecting could just not choose anybody, wait the time required by law to repost the ad and then take you. But many need people sooner than later. So write a good resume first.
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See the problem in the private sector is the job opening will say "Must have BA degree" when that is not true. However HR will think it is true and not even look at the guy with 10+ years experience doing that exact job.

For example, my current job requires a minimum of a computer related bachelor degree (comp sci, info systems, etc). It's right there on the job description with the word required. I just got finished my 5th year in this job and I'm starting college this fall to finally get the degree that is required for my job. I have however been working in this field for over 15 years and have even taught college level courses in the subject. This is why I don't bother with resumes. I get binned up front for not having an education. It doesn't matter what skills I have or what I've done or what my references are.
 
Here's a list for employers.

Do not use misleading position titles. Do not use the term supervisor or manager when they do not supervise or manage.

Use more than three sentences to describe the 'fantastic opportunity' you are offering. Seriously, this is my number one complaint with 95% of all job postings. Particularly in larger companies, wtf do HR departments think their jobs are anyways?

Put the name of your company in the ad. There is absolutely no reason to hide who you are. If you think your current employees will get their feathers ruffled if you are looking for new blood, perhaps you aught to fix your self before bringing a new person in to fill your 'critical position' and fix your inability to manage at the same time.

Listen to the opinions and perspectives of the candidates you interview. I don't mean listening for the buzz words and specific phrase you are looking for in response to a single question.

Don't ask for a resume to be emailed to you but, refuse to accept attachments. Particularly if you are a technical company. If you can't handle the occasional malware/trojan that some of the more useless members of our society are wont to circulate, perhaps you're not as technically competent as you should be.

Hiring managers are under a lot of pressure. They need to sort through a lot of applications and interview the most promising candidates in a short amount of time. Just because a department wants a PHD and is only willing to pay minimum wage doesn't mean they are going to get one. You can greatly minimize the effort required by providing accurate information and descriptions. You are NOT marketing your company with your job postings, you are attempting to find the best match for the position.
 
sourceninja said:
See the problem in the private sector is the job opening will say "Must have BA degree" when that is not true. However HR will think it is true and not even look at the guy with 10+ years experience doing that exact job.

For example, my current job requires a minimum of a computer related bachelor degree (comp sci, info systems, etc). It's right there on the job description with the word required. I just got finished my 5th year in this job and I'm starting college this fall to finally get the degree that is required for my job. I have however been working in this field for over 15 years and have even taught college level courses in the subject. This is why I don't bother with resumes. I get binned up front for not having an education. It doesn't matter what skills I have or what I've done or what my references are.
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Which is why I have tended to app for positions there's no way I'm qualified for. One of my friends had used the same tactic, after sometime, he got a return call for a position. It was not the one he appd for, but he was qualified for another position they were looking to fill, he got the position no problem, but he ended up relocating with another job a couple months later.
I figure if I do hear back after apping to a position I'm not qualified for, then they will more than likely be looking to fill a position I am qualified for. I'm sure its' annoying for people going through resumes though.
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
Do not use misleading position titles. Do not use the term supervisor or manager when they do not supervise or manage.
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Along those lines, don't use a different city or town that is significantly farther away than the actual area.
I've gotten 2 return calls like this and found out that one of the companies was another 20mi farther away than the posted location. :\

I wouldn't have a problem with that if I had reliable transportation and/or it was paying enough if not more to cover getting a new car asap, or relocation. Otherwise I would look for work closer to if not in Chicago.
... Was looking into buying a new car when my last job cut my hours altogether when I was asking for steady hours after a 70+hr/week project.
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
Here's a list for employers.

Do not use misleading position titles. Do not use the term supervisor or manager when they do not supervise or manage.

Use more than three sentences to describe the 'fantastic opportunity' you are offering. Seriously, this is my number one complaint with 95% of all job postings. Particularly in larger companies, wtf do HR departments think their jobs are anyways?

Put the name of your company in the ad. There is absolutely no reason to hide who you are. If you think your current employees will get their feathers ruffled if you are looking for new blood, perhaps you aught to fix your self before bringing a new person in to fill your 'critical position' and fix your inability to manage at the same time.

Listen to the opinions and perspectives of the candidates you interview. I don't mean listening for the buzz words and specific phrase you are looking for in response to a single question.

Don't ask for a resume to be emailed to you but, refuse to accept attachments. Particularly if you are a technical company. If you can't handle the occasional malware/trojan that some of the more useless members of our society are wont to circulate, perhaps you're not as technically competent as you should be.

Hiring managers are under a lot of pressure. They need to sort through a lot of applications and interview the most promising candidates in a short amount of time. Just because a department wants a PHD and is only willing to pay minimum wage doesn't mean they are going to get one. You can greatly minimize the effort required by providing accurate information and descriptions. You are NOT marketing your company with your job postings, you are attempting to find the best match for the position.
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The last one...man...hits the spot. I really hate it when I see jobs that want an entry level person and then they have these ludicrous requirements. What are they thinking? Be f'n honest. If you want a guy with experience, say so.
 
Gibson486 said:
The last one...man...hits the spot. I really hate it when I see jobs that want an entry level person and then they have these ludicrous requirements. What are they thinking? Be f'n honest. If you want a guy with experience, say so.
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The more unrelated the skills seem the lower the pay is usually how it goes too.

Like if you see a job for PHP + SQL that probably pays where it should. If you see a job for asp, c#, php, mysql, oracle, linux, windows 2003, assembler, window washing, server install, voip then it probably pays under 30k a year.
 
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