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OK, get me hip on P4/mobo stuff.

MichaelD

MichaelD

Lifer
Please don't ask why or flame. If you want to do that, go away, please. 😛 I'm here for advice and answers.

I'm CONSIDERING going with a P4 solution. I know that right now, the 2.4GHz/533FSB chip is the "best buy."

What MOBO should I pair with it? I want to use PC2700. I want RAID and onboard LAN would be nice to have. Probably not going to do much OCing...just want something stable to game on. Onboard sound is a non-issue; I use my SBlive XGamer w/everything.

IIRC, the Intel 845 chipset is the thing to have...if I'm wrong, correct me, please.

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well, im not going to try and convince you to go AMD like you should, but yes, i think the 2.4 is the best value for a good northwood. i mean, the 2.53 is a ton more for only 133 mhz. i dont think thats worth it. so if you MUST go intel. i think the 2.4 is your best bet see stats here go here to see how the brands stack up
 
Take a look at ABIT's IT7-MAX2V2.0 . Somebody just pointed it out to me. Unbelievable!
The price starts at 167USD online.
 
I would definately run your P4 on a mobo using the Intel 845 Chipset if going the DDR Route. I have used both the sis 645 and the Sis 648 Chipset on my previous P4 mobo's and they don't even come close to performance or Stability like my new Asus P4PE\L mobo does.

Total Time I had the Sis chipset in my box was about 3 weeks because I thought the performance sucked especially when comparing a CPU with similiar clockspeed to my AMD rigs.

On the other hand, I can honestly say the Asus P4PE\L is one of the best mobo's I have used in a long time.I am VERY pleased with my new P4's performance in comparison to my AMD rigs.

I would like to also note, the Asus board is also an excellent choice if you want to overclock your P4 as well.

Here is my P4 Rig

P4 2.0A O\C'ed 2.5 gig (not a C1 stepping CPU)
512 Meg of Xtreme performance Corsair Pc 2700 DDR Ram
Asus P4PE\L Mobo
Sapphire Radeon Pro 9700

I get around 14,250 3d 2001 benchmark with this rig

Ausm
 
Since you're not too interested in overclocking, you might want to consider an Intel board. I also recently switched from an Athlon XP 2100 and K7N450 to a P4 2.4 and an Intel D845PEBT2 mb. The board is 845PE based and supports PC2700 (which I am using). It has onboard Serial ATA raid, which you can get an adaptor to use regular IDE drives. The board is of course rock solid and is not finiky in any way, but the best thing about it is I was able to pull out ALL my system fans (except for the PS fans) and my temps are still 20c below what the Athlon was. My system runs dead quiet now. Since Intel is now the price/performance leader in the 2.4 range, that doesn't hurt either.

I really liked my AMD systems, and have used them for years, but there's not a damn thing wrong with a P4 either. If you want all my specs, click my rigs link and look at the Europa system.
 
There's nothing wrong with jumping ship. There are a lot of fanboys out there.... for BOTH sides. But face it, in the upper speed range, AMD and Intel are neck and neck--for price and speed (look at XP2400+ prices and P4 2.4B prices). If we were talking slower, then AMD is the clear choice... but we're not. (and I use both and own both...)

Anyhow. To your question. If you're NOT overclocking, I would personally pick up an Intel 845PE board (the Blue Mountain board is great). PC2700 is clearly the best choice right now (especially for value).... and you get native USB2.0 support and the onboard Intel LAN (either the Pro100 or the gigabit) is great. I recently built one for a friend with a P4 2.4B and 1GB of PC2700 (Samsung, in case you're interested), and it was exceptionally stable, and of course, reasonably fast (depends on what you're used to, of course). Not to mention, you have the ease of setup with the P4 and Intel board... its snap-snap-snap... together in less than an hour.

Anyways... best of luck... and don't let fanboys from either side berate you. 🙂
 
Thanks guys. I've definitely been looking at Intel boards...you could probably pour water on them while they are running and they wouldn't even blink. (joke!) The only thing is that they don't have any RAID, excpet for that one Intel board w/the serial ATA that you need an adaptor for. Grrrrrrr. I like to keep ALL my drives, especially the CDRs on separate channels...safer that way.

I know that the Asus P4 boards are among the best out there. I'm looking. Thanks again. 🙂
 
The Asus P4PE is my favorite board currently. Followed VERY closely by the P4B533 and P4B533-V. I'm not sure which flavor offers RAID, but I believe they all offer onboard LAN.

The EPoX 4G4A+ is also a very good board. I will have one for sale in a week or so, if you want to hit me up for it.

Pick whichever one fits in your budget and has the features you want. Also keep in mind that the P4B533 doesn't exactly support PC2700.


As for "jumping ship"... Don't get involved with that talk. Buy whichever product suits YOU! You guys don't owe anything to AMD, Intel, Crest, Colgate, Sony, Magnavox, or any other corporation. People who would limit their choices just because they are that blindly loyal to a corporation, are only hurting themselves.

And I truly worry about some people who feel the need to consistantly sway people to buy from one particular corporation over another... ESPECIALLY when they don't even have a financial stake in it. I guess they get some sort of validation for their own purchasing decisions, if others follow suit. Seems kind of silly to me.
 
Hello Wingznut. Nice to see you around. 🙂 I made the "jumping ship" comment....well, w/o really contemplating it's implications. I am loyal to whatever company works, period. I have three AMD rigs and one Intel rig....they all make me happy. 🙂

I am still deciding what to do. I found out tonight that my $200 stick of Corsair is bad...or shall I say "severly overrated", which may be what is screwing me up.

Still looking though. Thanks for the reply.
 
Originally posted by: Syran
I love my ASUS P4B533-E 🙂
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MichaelD, that is an absolutely fantastic mobo.

P4B533
I think its one of the best boards I've ever seen come from Asus.
I've used them a few times and they make and OUTSTANDING platform.

I would not hesitate at all to buy one of these boards. many other people will agree.

I am satisfied with my EPoX 4PEA+ 845pe chipset, it even has on-board RAID like you wanted.
it meets your requirements exactly. I found it for about $135 USD. (that was a while back)

also a very good choice.
 
After reading this thread, it makes me want to switch to Intel as well. Not b/c I want to go with the crowd or anything, but the comment made by jasonsRX7 about the case/cpu temperature has got me thinking. Besides, I've been going AMD for so long now, I think I might fancy a change and see how I like it. No harm in that. 😀

Make sure you tell us what you end up going for, MichaelD, who knows, I might end up following you. ^^
 
i think if you want to use PC2700, you cant with the P4B533 because its not "officially supported" only the P4B533-V and the P4PE's have the proper dividers if i can remember... Im not saying the P4B533 is bad though, its a very stable and reliable board. The onboard serial RAID on the P4PE might seem kinda a waste now because theres not much serial drives out currently, but i think in about 6-12 months it'll be more in use after the serial drives start popping up and then it might be worth having...
 
I am thinking about a P4 for my next system too. I am curious, is there a performance difference between a RDRAM and DDR based system?

I recommend that you edit out the "Thinking about jumping ship" from your title. It really is flame bait.
 
Good morning. I edited the title since this was not intended to be a X vs. Y thread. But you guys knew that already. 😉

I don't know what I'm going to do. Money is always hard to spend, you know? 😱 Right now, I'm taking notes. Lots of notes. 🙂 Thanks again.
 
I shifted my main rig from AMD to Intel the time the 2.4ghz P4's started hitting $190 at Newegg ( that was a few months ago). I have an Intel board (850MEV) that I got for cheap and some PC800 so Idecided to use it. Later on, I upgraded to PC1066 (got it for REALLY cheap so its a no brainer). Rambus is not popular here but if the price is right, why not? I would have probably thought twice if the nforce2 boards came out during that time but so far Ihaven't regretted my decision. The P4 and intel mobo/850e chipset/PC1066 RDRAM combo is fast and extremely stable. If you don't plan to OC, an Intel board should be high on your list.
 
To the best of my limited knowledge and research pertaining to the latest RAM technology, I believe the leaders performance wise would be the Intel i850 chipset w/ 32-bit PC1066 RDRAM, or the Granite Bay chipset w/ DC DDR RAM.

If you have money to burn, I suppose you should go with either one of these solutions? This is merely my take on P4 chipsets, w/ what little research I've done. MichaelD, this is a great article to read pertaining to 32bit RDRAM vs DC DDR RAM. LMK what you think cuz I'm trying to decide as well. ^^
 
Does anyone have (or experience) the AOpen P4PE motherboard with vacuum tube sound (gimmick)? How are those boards compared to MSI,Gigabit, and Asus?

Curious...
 
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