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Originally posted by: Mutilator
Well, I got the XD9 along with some Speer Gold Dot hollow points for home and a box of 100 115 grain Winchester white box from Walmart for the range. Also got a cleaning kit and a XD Gear bag to put it all in. Kinda nervous to load the hollow points into it tonight... seems kinda surreal to have a handgun in the house now heh. That being said do you guys keep a round in the chamber at home or just in the mag?

Didn't get a chance to shoot it tonight so it'll probably be Saturday before I do - should I clean or oil the gun before I go to the range the first time? Or should it be ready to go and be broken in out of the box?

Thanks for all your help and opinions... I have a feeling this is the beginning of a whole new hobby for me now that I have my own gun and won't have to keep renting. I'm sure others like a Sig or Kimber will come along in a few years.
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i keep my guns with a loaded mag inserted, but an empty chamber. like someone else said, it only takes a second to rack it.
although i was wondering what people do when they are carrying outside of the house? in a situation like that on the street, you may not have time to rack the gun.

i've heard its a good idea to oil the gun before you use it but i don't think its required. i don't think i oiled my 1911 before i fired it for the 1st time.
 
I keep all of my firearms, including all rifles and shotguns, loaded with one in the chamber - regardless if they are in the house or if I am carrying. Not many things are more useless than an unloaded gun.

True, it only takes a second to rack the thing, but if you are put in a situation where you have to use the firearm, it is going to be stressful, and you may not remember to do so when it counts.

As long as you follow the firearm safety rules and practice common sense, you will never have a problem keeping the weapon loaded. Never get complacent around your firearms, ALWAYS treat them as if they are loaded with the safety off, even if you think you know better.

You should not need to oil the firearm before you go to the range, they allready have it lubricated and it should be ready to go.


The concept of "break in" is a fallacy engineered by gun store owners to sell you more ammo
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Wrong. Though it is not as a big of a deal as some make it out to be, most guns with standard rifling do require a little break in. Polygonal rifled barrels like the Glock and the HK do not need to worry about it nearly as much.
 
What I did last night was just removed the magazine and left the slide locked back and loaded some hollow points into the mag. My thinking was I could pick up the gun and the mag, slide in the magazine, and then release the slide quick enough.
I figured if I'm not coherent enough to put the mag in the gun and release the slide in a hurry then I'm probably not coherent enough to hit what woke me up anyway. 😉

Once I get use to it and become one with my gun if you will then I may consider leaving a round chambered. I just don't want someone picking it up and playing with it and end up putting a hole in themselves or anyone/thing else.
 
Originally posted by: Mutilator
What I did last night was just removed the magazine and left the slide locked back and loaded some hollow points into the mag. My thinking was I could pick up the gun and the mag, slide in the magazine, and then release the slide quick enough.
I figured if I'm not coherent enough to put the mag in the gun and release the slide in a hurry then I'm probably not coherent enough to hit what woke me up anyway. 😉

Once I get use to it and become one with my gun if you will then I may consider leaving a round chambered. I just don't want someone picking it up and playing with it and end up putting a hole in themselves or anyone/thing else.
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Anyone who gets near my guns knows not to touch them unless they are specifically handed to them by me (after I have removed the mag and triple checked the chamber). If you have kids this is more of a concern and the guns should be secured.
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Mutilator
What I did last night was just removed the magazine and left the slide locked back and loaded some hollow points into the mag. My thinking was I could pick up the gun and the mag, slide in the magazine, and then release the slide quick enough.
I figured if I'm not coherent enough to put the mag in the gun and release the slide in a hurry then I'm probably not coherent enough to hit what woke me up anyway. 😉

Once I get use to it and become one with my gun if you will then I may consider leaving a round chambered. I just don't want someone picking it up and playing with it and end up putting a hole in themselves or anyone/thing else.
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Anyone who gets near my guns knows not to touch them unless they are specifically handed to them by me (after I have removed the mag and triple checked the chamber). If you have kids this is more of a concern and the guns should be secured.
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QFT

My friends know better than to start playing with anything of mine, let a lone one of my guns unless I give them permission.
 
I've owned Glocks, Sigs, Springfields, Rugers, and Colts/Kimbers/ParaOrdnance. The only gun I go back to time and time again is my CZ75 SP-01.

CZ makes an excellent firearm, and they are hardly ever recommended by most places. I don't know if your local range/shop carries one or has one, but if you can, check out a 75B (has an internal firing pin-safety). They can be had on the cheap, usually around 3-400 for a 75B (15+1 cap.) and 5-600 for an SP-01 (Tactical rail, all steel/full frame, 18+1 cap., manual safety).

I have put well over 6k rounds through my SP-01, sometimes going weeks without a single drop of oil, and I've never had a single FTF/FTE. This of course doesn't mean that all CZs are solid tanks that can withstand plenty of abuse...but among my friends, and other owners I have spoken to, the above situation is certainly not uncommon.
 
Originally posted by: edro
Originally posted by: Mutilator
Well, I got the XD9 along with some Speer Gold Dot hollow points for home and a box of 100 115 grain Winchester white box from Walmart for the range. Also got a cleaning kit and a XD Gear bag to put it all in. Kinda nervous to load the hollow points into it tonight... seems kinda surreal to have a handgun in the house now heh. That being said do you guys keep a round in the chamber at home or just in the mag?

Didn't get a chance to shoot it tonight so it'll probably be Saturday before I do - should I clean or oil the gun before I go to the range the first time? Or should it be ready to go and be broken in out of the box?

Thanks for all your help and opinions... I have a feeling this is the beginning of a whole new hobby for me now that I have my own gun and won't have to keep renting. I'm sure others like a Sig or Kimber will come along in a few years.
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I wouldn't keep one in the chamber. It takes about 1sec. to cycle a round into the chamber. If you ever find yourself in that situation, you should have at least 1sec. to decide if you need to or not.

Also, if a criminal hears the receiver slide back and snap shut, he may leave right then.
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Spoken like a true amateur. It does not take "one second" - it takes longer than that. I've run IDPA at my club with a gun starting in a box, without a round in the chamber and a round with and the difference from the first shot (beep to bang) running an israeli draw adds 1.5-2 seconds, depending on the person's competitive edge/fine motor skills. You say it takes a second as you go "Well see look. *clack* there, one second! PAB is talking out of his ass!" except when you've got a clock, a buzzer, or an instance that induces stress the numbers start changing quite rapidly.
 
IDPA huh? That's probably something I'm going to eventually get into myself. 2nd Saturday of each month @ my club. Trying to decide if I should take the concealed carry or IDPA training course first, or just hit the range repeatedly until I know my XD inside and out and then just register for one Saturday.
 
Originally posted by: Mutilator
IDPA huh? That's probably something I'm going to eventually get into myself. 2nd Saturday of each month @ my club. Trying to decide if I should take the concealed carry or IDPA training course first, or just hit the range repeatedly until I know my XD inside and out and then just register for one Saturday.
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Neither are really spectacular. IDPA can be summed up in one sentence.

Draw, doubletap as neccessary IN ORDER and dont leave any ammo behind.
 
hehe since this is a active thread.

what is a good one for home defense? something cheap and very easy to use. something me and my wife can use with both of us being novice's
 
Originally posted by: waggy
hehe since this is a active thread.

what is a good one for home defense? something cheap and very easy to use. something me and my wife can use with both of us being novice's
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In the next 10 posts, you are going to witness an epic debate.

The majority will say shotgun, having never handled one. They know a shotgun is great for home defense because everyone says its good for home defense.

Some will say revolver becuase they never jam, but they wont say anything about what short stroking the trigger under stress or a gun with a timing issue.

Inevitably someone will reccomend the HK Mark 23.

It begins now.
 
Originally posted by: PAB
Originally posted by: waggy
hehe since this is a active thread.

what is a good one for home defense? something cheap and very easy to use. something me and my wife can use with both of us being novice's
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In the next 10 posts, you are going to witness an epic debate.

The majority will say shotgun, having never handled one. They know a shotgun is great for home defense because everyone says its good for home defense.

Some will say revolver becuase they never jam, but they wont say anything about what short stroking the trigger under stress or a gun with a timing issue.

Inevitably someone will reccomend the HK Mark 23.

It begins now.
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Or he can just re-read this thread, write down the names of all guns mentioned, then go to a range and see if any fit his hands and his wife's hands. Most of the popular choices (handgun wise) were mentioned at least once. 😉

Sig 226, 229 - Kimber - HK USP - FN Five-Seven - Glock - Springfield XD - Ruger - Browning Hi-Power - etc.
 
Originally posted by: Mutilator
Originally posted by: PAB
Originally posted by: waggy
hehe since this is a active thread.

what is a good one for home defense? something cheap and very easy to use. something me and my wife can use with both of us being novice's
Click to expand...

In the next 10 posts, you are going to witness an epic debate.

The majority will say shotgun, having never handled one. They know a shotgun is great for home defense because everyone says its good for home defense.

Some will say revolver becuase they never jam, but they wont say anything about what short stroking the trigger under stress or a gun with a timing issue.

Inevitably someone will reccomend the HK Mark 23.

It begins now.
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Or he can just re-read this thread, write down the names of all guns mentioned, then go to a range and see if any fit his hands and his wife's hands. Most of the popular choices (handgun wise) were mentioned at least once. 😉

Sig 226, 229 - Kimber - HK USP - FN Five-Seven - Glock - Springfield XD - Ruger - Browning Hi-Power - etc.
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LOL, FN Five Seven. If someone shot me with one of those, and I found out about it - I would be pissed!

Anyways, if you are looking for home defense, do what he said, and also read up at the boxotruth to see how the different types of ammo do perform in a home defense environment.
 
Hit the range this morning... no problems at all other than I noticed I have a very slight flinch to get rid of. After firing a few rounds and noticing they seemed to be going a little low I decided to dry fire a couple times and noticed a slight tick down and left right after I pulled the trigger. Kinda funny cause I KNEW there would be no noise yet my reflexes were certain that there would be. This will probably go away with practice... after all it has been a few months since my last visit to the range. 😉

Also got a Wild Bill's Fusion Paddle Holster while I was there mainly because I knew I'd want/need one eventually and the included XD belt holster frankly sucks. I didn't like plastic marking up my slide and it wiggled around on my belt too much. After a few min of googling to figure out how most people wear these I now have it sitting right behind my hip in the 4 o'clock position. Seems pretty comfortable, I'm just supposed to sit here and draw and reholster the gun over and over to break the holster in.

With a new hobby, I don't think I'll ever get my computer upgraded now. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: nissan720
Go to the range and try out a Ruger. No one even thinks of the Rugers but they are great guns.

They are made well and I have never even had a jam. (1k+ rounds)
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Well unfortunately lots of people buy guns based on looks not functionality. I had a Ruger p89 for years and to this day I regret getting rid of it. It was a great gun. Though my current Springfield 1911a1 GI is a very fine weapon and aside from being picky about which mags it likes I haven't had any problems with it.
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I sold my Ruger P89 last year, and I don't regret. That monster is simply too large, but it was a great weapon for the price (paid $320, sold it for $300 -- not bad!).

If anyone likes Glocks but cannot afford one, I bought a very slightly used (can't even tell) Steyr M1 which is fantastic. Nearly the same feel of the Glock (Steyr is also Austrian), but it actually fits my hand even better.
 
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