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OK City bombing - Fertilizer usage - Fact or Fiction

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Explosive are like anything else, they have their own peace time uses. And yes, I do believe we should regulate the availability of these raw materials because we can never tell what good or evil uses they may be put to.
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Ever read the anarchist's cookbook? You can make a lot out of next to nothing.


Hydrogen peroxide + acetone comes to mind.
 
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Explosive are like anything else, they have their own peace time uses. And yes, I do believe we should regulate the availability of these raw materials because we can never tell what good or evil uses they may be put to.
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Ever read the anarchist's cookbook? You can make a lot out of next to nothing.


Hydrogen peroxide + acetone comes to mind.
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Not all of the stuff works.
 
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Explosive are like anything else, they have their own peace time uses. And yes, I do believe we should regulate the availability of these raw materials because we can never tell what good or evil uses they may be put to.
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Ever read the anarchist's cookbook? You can make a lot out of next to nothing.


Hydrogen peroxide + acetone comes to mind.
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Not all of the stuff works.
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I'll have you know the gelled animal blood bomb worked fine. Text
 
I didn't take time to read all the posts after the first page, so this may have been covered already...

I personally do not know what kind of bomb brought down the OKC Federal building, but the idea of it being a "fertilizer bomb" isn't out of the question IMO. For many years, the mining industry has used "prell", which (basically) is a mixture of ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel fuel. They have special trucks that mix the 2 ingredients then pump in into the holes drilled into the mine bench or overburden table, then fired with blasting caps. I've seen some pretty big pieces of mountain brought down with fertilizer...
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
I didn't take time to read all the posts after the first page, so this may have been covered already...

I personally do not know what kind of bomb brought down the OKC Federal building, but the idea of it being a "fertilizer bomb" isn't out of the question IMO. For many years, the mining industry has used "prell", which (basically) is a mixture of ammonium nitrate fertilizer and diesel fuel. They have special trucks that mix the 2 ingredients then pump in into the holes drilled into the mine bench or overburden table, then fired with blasting caps. I've seen some pretty big pieces of mountain brought down with fertilizer...
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Yes. For the most part compounds are stable because they are low-energy, or because they are high-energy but have very strong bonds. Lots of nitrogen compounds are the latter...which means that they make good explosives. Stable while you set them up, then they release a lot of energy when they go.

But why is this thread in OT when it is obviously P+N material?
 
What Dave doesn't want to tell you for fear of bringing "them" down on him is that he is the key figure in an ongoing government charade, the plot to conceal the truth about the existence of extraterrestrials. It's a global conspiracy actually, with key players in the highest levels of power, and it reaches down into the lives of every man, woman and child on this planet, so of course no one believes him. He is an annoyance to his superiors, a joke to his peers. They call him Dmcowen , whose job was terminated for attempting to harness government resources in the quest for ETBE, who was possibly abducted by aliens when he was just a kid, and now chases after little green men and all other manner of impending calamities without even a badge and a gun, shouting to the heavens or to anyone who will listen that the fix is in, that the sky is falling and when it hits it's gonna be the shit-storm of all time..

What he doesn't want to tell you but what he knows to be the truth is that that building was destroyed not by a truck borne fertilizer bomb, but by a large chemical explosive hidden in a soda machine for the sole purpose of destroying evidence related to this ongoing conspiracy.

I have probably said too much, but I am willing to shoulder this burden.


 
Dave I lost friends in that bombing. I was at the site within hours with several members of the USMC helping to retrieve the colors from what was left of their office in the building.

For you to bring up this bullshit pisses me off to a level you cannot even imagine.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: yllus
It was worth a try, Common Courtesy. 🙂 I do think that you'd best serve this website by simply keeping the thread locked instead of feeding our resident troll yet more attention.
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Show me evidence of the yellow truck.

You can't because there wasn't one.

I have not seen anyone with proof disputing anything I mentioned.

Hmmmmm
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God damn...there is video of the Ryder truck blowing up. Go find it.

In fact in the video you see a pickup parked behind the Ryder truck. That pickup belonged to a Captain in the USMC who was a friend of mine and who lost the use of an arm and one of his eyes as a result of the blast.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: yllus
It was worth a try, Common Courtesy. 🙂 I do think that you'd best serve this website by simply keeping the thread locked instead of feeding our resident troll yet more attention.
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Show me evidence of the yellow truck.

You can't because there wasn't one.

I have not seen anyone with proof disputing anything I mentioned.

Hmmmmm
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God damn...there is video of the Ryder truck blowing up. Go find it.

In fact in the video you see a pickup parked behind the Ryder truck. That pickup belonged to a Captain in the USMC who was a friend of mine and who lost the use of an arm and one of his eyes as a result of the blast.
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Has he seen the video? Have you?
 
Dave apparently wanted attention and spouted off without comprehending that he would be called on it.

His vague statements seem to contain no truth, because there is evidence to back up what info is available.

He can not provided anything solid to back up his claims beyond hocus-pocus


Unless the ID plate of the truck was planted inside another truck that was parked or had somehow falling off a truck and the truck that was parked outside the building became disinegrated by some other type of explosion......


Just like 9/11, the tin foils can come up with off the wall explanations to get attention.
When proof is put forward to discredit them, they slide off into the darkness or claim that they can not get to the proper information because it is secured.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: yllus
It was worth a try, Common Courtesy. 🙂 I do think that you'd best serve this website by simply keeping the thread locked instead of feeding our resident troll yet more attention.
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Show me evidence of the yellow truck.

You can't because there wasn't one.

I have not seen anyone with proof disputing anything I mentioned.

Hmmmmm
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God damn...there is video of the Ryder truck blowing up. Go find it.

In fact in the video you see a pickup parked behind the Ryder truck. That pickup belonged to a Captain in the USMC who was a friend of mine and who lost the use of an arm and one of his eyes as a result of the blast.
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Has he seen the video? Have you?
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The video was played during the trial

 
Man...P&N must be fun.

Dave just comes off as a nut case with his vague comments in this thread...well that or a troll who likes attention.
 
As a Former Marine with EOD training I will say dave needs to do some research.
Also if you are watching videos like this for your proof then you need to stop using the internet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk

Dave as far as I know they did not actually find another bomb.

Also that guy needs to update his chart with a nitromethane mix instead of fuel oil.
 
repeat after me:

Dave McOwen is nuttier than squirrel shit.
Dave McOwen is nuttier than squirrel shit.
Dave McOwen is nuttier than squirrel shit.
Dave McOwen is nuttier than squirrel shit.
Dave McOwen is nuttier than squirrel shit.
Dave McOwen is nuttier than squirrel shit.
Dave McOwen is nuttier than squirrel shit.
 
Originally posted by: yllus
It was worth a try, Common Courtesy. 🙂 I do think that you'd best serve this website by simply keeping the thread locked instead of feeding our resident troll yet more attention.
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Personally I think it was a fsckign stupid move. If the mods have decided that he can't post these threads in p&n, then lock it. You don't need to move it over here so you can publicly kick the conspiracy theorist for your enjoyment.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Sinsear
Oh hell no; please do not feed him with the bridge talk. We need answers to this conspiracy.
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I have delivered enough information anyone with a Library card can confirm.
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1. What's a library card going to do? Oh, must be a rhetorical statement, because we all know how up to date libraries are. And, if you need something current, they point you to the row of computers and say "Use those."

2. Your "Elite" tag should be revoked if this is what the rest of your 33K+ posts are like.

3. Why, oh WHY did this get moved where I ended up having to see it???

4. Where is the Merciful Mod when you need them?

5. "The Matrix"...true story. Wake up.

 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: yllus
It was worth a try, Common Courtesy. 🙂 I do think that you'd best serve this website by simply keeping the thread locked instead of feeding our resident troll yet more attention.
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Show me evidence of the yellow truck.

You can't because there wasn't one.

I have not seen anyone with proof disputing anything I mentioned.

Hmmmmm
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I have not seen you posting any evidence or proof, either.
 
Also the ATF did have a active arsenal inside the building, so there could have been something inside it that helped take more of the building down.

But no more actual bombs where planted by mcvay and co.
 
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