Ok - $500 to upgrade : P4 D830 Dual or X2 3800+?

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Well, I know the mobo I would be using for either one, so that's not a problem..


I web surf and game about 50/50. 1gb of RAM will be used. BFG 7800 GT OC video card.

X2 3800+ or P4 D830 3.0ghz Dual core? I want the most fiddle-free setup I can get, stability is a must. I just want to plug and play.

Which?

Go!

 

[us3rnotfound]

X2 3800+, stability is fine if you select the best motherboard. ASUS/DFi

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
X2 3800+, stability is fine if you select the best motherboard. ASUS/DFi

Interesting you say that since there are countless threads about driver/ compatibility problems with X2s.

Regardless, I think the dominance in performance as well as the better heat management of the X2 3800+ over the PD 830 out weighs the software issues associated with it.

 

[KoolDrew]

X2 3800+

 

[Markfw]

Damn I am sick of anandtechrocks saying there are all these "problems" I hear you say it 10 times more than all people put together say they actually have a problem with it.

IF YOU DO A CORRECT INSTALL WITH THE DRIVERS, THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS !!!!

Get the 3800 X2

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Damn I am sick of anandtechrocks saying there are all these "problems" I hear you say it 10 times more than all people put together say they actually have a problem with it.

IF YOU DO A CORRECT INSTALL WITH THE DRIVERS, THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS !!!!

Get the 3800 X2

Looking likelike that's a good choice for me, (found some articles this evening too), could I bother you to elaborate on a correct install of drivers? I'm used to intel with the .inf installer and such, but would need some pointers.

?

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
X2 3800+, stability is fine if you select the best motherboard. ASUS/DFi

Yes go with an Asus .

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Damn I am sick of anandtechrocks saying there are all these "problems" I hear you say it 10 times more than all people put together say they actually have a problem with it.

IF YOU DO A CORRECT INSTALL WITH THE DRIVERS, THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS !!!!

Get the 3800 X2

Mark, seriously settle down it's a f*cking computer processor.

You're such a joke, he mentioned stability being a major factor and this is the FIRST TIME I've mentioned such "problems."

And don't pertend like there are not a lot of threads mentioning X2 problems with games and such.

 

[Eureka]

Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego, overclock to match FX-57!

Norm

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego, overclock to match FX-57!

Norm

Nah, my 3700+ easily does that, and dual core is a better choice in my opinion.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Hellspawn

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Damn I am sick of anandtechrocks saying there are all these "problems" I hear you say it 10 times more than all people put together say they actually have a problem with it.

IF YOU DO A CORRECT INSTALL WITH THE DRIVERS, THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS !!!!

Get the 3800 X2

Looking likelike that's a good choice for me, (found some articles this evening too), could I bother you to elaborate on a correct install of drivers? I'm used to intel with the .inf installer and such, but would need some pointers.

?

Do a fresh install (XP I assume) install al the correct motherboard drivers and the AMD X2 driver (after Service pack 2)
Thats it, not rocket science, but a couple of people can;t figure that out, hence the threads about it. And without the driver, it only affects a couple of games.

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Do a fresh install (XP I assume) install al the correct motherboard drivers and the AMD X2 driver (after Service pack 2)
Thats it, not rocket science, but a couple of people can;t figure that out, hence the threads about it. And without the driver, it only affects a couple of games.

I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I don't reformat my computer for every new processor I get. It's nice to be able to just pop the old chip out and put the new one in... Good way to save 4 hours of your life.

 

[Markfw]

well then don't reformat. It might work. But some people like doing things the right way. Do whatever you want. Another worthless post. Also, he is probably putting in a new motherboard which REQUIRES a re-install.

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Well, being new to this part of the processor arena,

Oh I didn't mention, for the time being I won't be OC'ing..

(Asus A8N-SLI prem. is the AMD board I would get.)
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Are these the right drivers?


nForce4 AMD Edition - Windows XP/2000 (32-Bit)

AMD Athlon? 64 X2 Dual Core Processor Driver for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Version (exe) 1.2.2.2

Forceware Windows XP/2000 32-bit Version: 81.94 Release Date: November 14, 2005

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
well then don't reformat. It might work. But some people like doing things the right way. Do whatever you want. Another worthless post.

It might work? So upgrading your processor and only having "might work" results is not an indicator of stability? I'm just trying to help the OP, you on the otherhand seem to want to attack me for no reason:

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Damn I am sick of anandtechrocks saying there are all these "problems" I hear you say it 10 times more than all people put together say they actually have a problem with it.

IF YOU DO A CORRECT INSTALL WITH THE DRIVERS, THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS !!!!

Get the 3800 X2

Mark, seriously settle down it's a f*cking computer processor.

You're such a joke, he mentioned stability being a major factor and this is the FIRST TIME I've mentioned such "problems."

And don't pertend like there are not a lot of threads mentioning X2 problems with games and such.

 

[Eureka]

I thought dual cores were less efficient for gaming... which this guy is going to do a lot.

Norm

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
I thought dual cores were less efficient for gaming... which this guy is going to do a lot.

Norm

Yes, modern games currently cannot use both cores on games but they still do have advantages. For example, Here the 2.4 GHz X2 4800+ is outperforming the 2.8 GHz FX-57.

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
I thought dual cores were less efficient for gaming... which this guy is going to do a lot.

Norm

Well, if there is a big diff. on the gaming perf, a 3800+ venice looks like a good alternative? It's some 85 USD cheaper.

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: Hellspawn

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
I thought dual cores were less efficient for gaming... which this guy is going to do a lot.

Norm

Well, if there is a big diff. on the gaming perf, a 3800+ venice looks like a good alternative? It's some 85 USD cheaper.

Read my previous post. I'd definately go X2 dual core over single core. Expecially when you get twice the processor for $85.

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
I thought dual cores were less efficient for gaming... which this guy is going to do a lot.

Norm

Yes, modern games currently cannot use both cores on games but they still do have advantages. For example, Here the 2.4 GHz X2 4800+ is outperforming the 2.8 GHz FX-57.

ok, there its showing a 3800+ single being a bit quicker than the x2 3800..

aye aye aye.

 

[anandtechrocks]

That's true, I didn't notice that. But remember the 3800+ Vience has 400 MHz more than the X2 3800+, so MHz for MHz the X2 has greater performance.

 

[Eureka]

So where's the advantage in dual coring?

Norm

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
That's true, I didn't notice that. But remember the 3800+ Vience has 400 MHz more than the X2 3800+, so MHz for MHz the X2 has greater performance.

aha.

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
So where's the advantage in dual coring?

Norm

My link shows a 2.4 GHz 4800+ out performing a 2.8 GHz FX-57. Furthermore, multi-core is the future. The latest Forceware drivers boost dual cores, Windows next OS is dual core optimized, and future software will surely follow suit.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Originally posted by: Markfw900
well then don't reformat. It might work. But some people like doing things the right way. Do whatever you want. Another worthless post.

It might work? So upgrading your processor and only having "might work" results is not an indicator of stability? I'm just trying to help the OP, you on the otherhand seem to want to attack me for no reason:

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Switching motherboards and having windows stable has nothing to do with the CPU, it's the fact that different motherboards, will have differant hardware, and differant drivers, so swapping out a motherboard and expecting windows to be 100% stable is just stupid..and the Pentium-D has the same symptoms as the X2, it's windows not properly handling the dual core thats the problem, not because it's Amd or Intel..as you can see I as well have both an X2, and a pentium-D as well as a pentium-m, and couple single core Pentium-4's. And I recomend the X2, it's cooler, it's more efficiant, and it's just plain simple the better CPU at this time.