Ok - $500 to upgrade : P4 D830 Dual or X2 3800+?

[Eureka]

Yeah, but it also showed the 3800+ outdoing the X2 3800... for 85 cheaper. Right now, it seems the single core might just be better for gaming.

Norm

 

[anandtechrocks]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Originally posted by: Markfw900
well then don't reformat. It might work. But some people like doing things the right way. Do whatever you want. Another worthless post.

It might work? So upgrading your processor and only having "might work" results is not an indicator of stability? I'm just trying to help the OP, you on the otherhand seem to want to attack me for no reason:

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Switching motherboards and having windows stable has nothing to do with the CPU, it's the fact that different motherboards, will have differant hardware, and differant drivers, so swapping out a motherboard and expecting windows to be 100% stable is just stupid..and the Pentium-D has the same symptoms as the X2, it's windows not properly handling the dual core thats the problem, not because it's Amd or Intel..as you can see I as well have both an X2, and a pentium-D as well as a pentium-m, and couple single core Pentium-4's. And I recomend the X2, it's cooler, it's more efficiant, and it's just plain simple the better CPU at this time.

X2's are socket 939 just like most A64s. Yes the OP will start with a fresh version of XP because his computer is brand new. But if I were to upgrade my San Diego, I don't think I should have to reformat my PC.

 

[Damn Dirty Ape]

Would there be anyone handy with a list of the drivers I would need on a brand new xp 32bit install? I know I'd need the 81.xx drivers for the video, but which others?

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Originally posted by: Markfw900
well then don't reformat. It might work. But some people like doing things the right way. Do whatever you want. Another worthless post.

It might work? So upgrading your processor and only having "might work" results is not an indicator of stability? I'm just trying to help the OP, you on the otherhand seem to want to attack me for no reason:

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Damn I am sick of anandtechrocks saying there are all these "problems" I hear you say it 10 times more than all people put together say they actually have a problem with it.

IF YOU DO A CORRECT INSTALL WITH THE DRIVERS, THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS !!!!

Get the 3800 X2

Mark, seriously settle down it's a f*cking computer processor.

You're such a joke, he mentioned stability being a major factor and this is the FIRST TIME I've mentioned such "problems."

And don't pertend like there are not a lot of threads mentioning X2 problems with games and such.

You jackass. I said do a format and fresh install. Then you said its a waste of 4 hours, so I said fine then don;t (as in it won't work if you don't, but have it your way) then you say:
Well, you want stability and then say might ?

Have it one way or the other. Either fresh install, or don;t and it won;t work. What is wrong with you ? reading comprehension ?

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Originally posted by: Markfw900
well then don't reformat. It might work. But some people like doing things the right way. Do whatever you want. Another worthless post.

It might work? So upgrading your processor and only having "might work" results is not an indicator of stability? I'm just trying to help the OP, you on the otherhand seem to want to attack me for no reason:

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Switching motherboards and having windows stable has nothing to do with the CPU, it's the fact that different motherboards, will have differant hardware, and differant drivers, so swapping out a motherboard and expecting windows to be 100% stable is just stupid..and the Pentium-D has the same symptoms as the X2, it's windows not properly handling the dual core thats the problem, not because it's Amd or Intel..as you can see I as well have both an X2, and a pentium-D as well as a pentium-m, and couple single core Pentium-4's. And I recomend the X2, it's cooler, it's more efficiant, and it's just plain simple the better CPU at this time.

X2's are socket 939 just like most A64s. Yes the OP will start with a fresh version of XP because his computer is brand new. But if I were to upgrade my San Diego, I don't think I should have to reformat my PC.

Well if you aren't switching motherboards, then you really won't need to reformat, if you are switching motherboards, then usualy at least a repair install is required. Although with enough effort, you can even do what I did, I switched from a P4 system with raid-0 raptors to my X2 system with a single SATA II drive, did a clone, did some things with the recovery consoel to fix driver problems(related to the Intel raid drivers), did a repair install, and 100% stable with my overclocked X2, and I haven't had any of the issues anyone has had with games or anything. My Pentium-D system on the otherhand had been giving me problems even after 3 fresh installs, untill I did the microsoft hotfix.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
X2 3800+, stability is fine if you select the best motherboard. ASUS/DFi

Interesting you say that since there are countless threads about driver/ compatibility problems with X2s.

Regardless, I think the dominance in performance as well as the better heat management of the X2 3800+ over the PD 830 out weighs the software issues associated with it.

You must have missed THG torture test ..basically intel rig crashed a bajillion times with like 6 mobos, three rams, three HSF's, two PSU's... Toms not the only reviewer to have problems with intel setups either. http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/hardware/1513_3.html

I must say in all fairness to AMD that the board they sent to us as their platform representative was much more user friendly than Intel's 955 board that gave us nothing but a hard time right out of the gate. We spent a week of our time just getting the board to even recognize their own damn CPU, which was more than a mere headache as it sent us back on our schedule by days and wasted many precious man hours just fiddling with the board.

AMD? Not only stable 100% in both THG's torute tests last couple years...I remember back in the day anand ran a toture test with a via chipset old tbird and threw everything at it for 75 hours no prolemo. Reason you hear problems is everyones buying AMD and skewing the stats! Many a computer user will have problem intel or AMD... When you put a collection of DIYers together some will have great experiance while others are ignorant and get fustrated... But you'd be hard pressed to find a pro reviewer saying the same things about AMD they say about intel right now.

 

[Zebo]

And I recomend the X2, it's cooler, it's more efficiant, and it's just plain simple the better CPU at this time.

you guys knew sevety you'd be shocked... anyway I completlly agree.. that it's faster, cooler, uses less power what else is there? Price? AMD wins there too since thier mobos are cheaper and chips have better bang for the buck. (3800 beats 840EE most of the time!!!) Only one I'd even consider is the 820D for $250 and overclock it cause I sure as hell aint using a chip that gets beat by a three years old 2.6 nothwood in 90% of apps - but then again intel gets you on the backend in you power bill, and overclocked it uses around $10 a month more!

Either wait for merom/conroe from intel or AMD X2.. simple as that IMO since it's really overwhelming superority ATM. Like athlon XP vs. northwood was the other way... but at least AMD had the decentcy to cut thier prices half what intel was charging.