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Stunt

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: nergee
Don't we refine around 10 million bbls/day for gasoline? I think we import around 1.4-1.5 million bbls/day Venezuela....
Most of your supply comes from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela.

Why isn't Mexico, Venezula and Canada as rich as Saudi Arabia then???
Canada is way more rich than Saudi Arabia.
And you might want to consider the oil shipment volumes to compare Mexico and Venezuela
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: nergee
Don't we refine around 10 million bbls/day for gasoline? I think we import around 1.4-1.5 million bbls/day Venezuela....
Most of your supply comes from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela.

Why isn't Mexico, Venezula and Canada as rich as Saudi Arabia then???
Canada is way more rich than Saudi Arabia.And you might want to consider the oil shipment volumes to compare Mexico and Venezuela

Do you have numbers to show Canada is richer than Saudi's?

Are you saying Canada cranks out a ton more oil than Mexico and Venezuela?

Why is the volume out of Mexico and Venezuela so low if so???
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
So are they going to start shipping gasoline over in the tankers???
No idea.
More refining capacity and crude production = lower prices.
I really don't care about the logistics of the matter.


The US does import some gasoline, but most of it is refined here.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Do you have numbers to show Canada is richer than Saudi's?

Are you saying Canada cranks out a ton more oil than Mexico and Venezuela?

Why is the volume out of Mexico and Venezuela so low if so???
a)Not addressing the Canada vs. SA wealth question, this is obvious.

b)Oil imports to the US Canada 17%, Mexico 13%, Venezuela 11%, SA 14.5%.

c)It all comes down to reserves, not nationality.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
So are they going to start shipping gasoline over in the tankers???
No idea.
More refining capacity and crude production = lower prices.
I really don't care about the logistics of the matter.


The US does import some gasoline, but most of it is refined here.
I figured as much, most value added production is done domestically.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: charrison
HIgher oil prices will only spur the use of new resources. Opec can no longer keep prices low enough to discourage alternative fuel development. The age of cheap oil may be coming to end, but we are still going to have cheap energy.
It may not be cheap, but eventually we wil have alternative energy. It's inevitable. As OPEC and Saudis keep rasing prices the will price themselves right out of the energy market, and that's the best thing that can happen to us. Americans can rejoice on the day we no longer depend on foreign oil for our energy needs. Once theiy're relatively poor again, with no other natural resources to make them pre-eimnent on the world stage, then they'll fight against each other instead of trying fight against us.


OMG...the first post that I agree with you on!!! :Q
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: PsharkJF
Hello, Peak Oil.
We will never run out of oil, EVER.
We will run out of $20 oil, then $30 oil and even $60 oil, but oil will never reach a point where we will run out.
 

0marTheZealot

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Weaning the World off a 30 billion barrel per year oil addiction will not be painless.

Alternatives are called alternatives for a reason. They are not mainstream, they are not cheap and they are not as versatile as fossil fuels.

The thing to remember about most alternatives is that we will be switching from a stock or capital of energy to a flow of energy.
 

0marTheZealot

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Bear in mind that most economists place oil at 80 - 100 dollars as being the price in which demand starts to die off.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Bear in mind that most economists place oil at 80 - 100 dollars as being the price in which demand starts to die off.
Goldman Sachs say $105 i believe.
I don't know if that is inflation in or not...
The real value of oil isn't as high as it was in the 50's.
 

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Originally posted by: MrYAK
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And before yall start in on me saying i'm a tree killer, these trees are already dead.

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Nebraska, here I come!
 

NeenerNeener

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'd like them to hit $3 for just a little while, long enough for the fear of God to encourage people about the idea that, hey, this is a finite resource. Maybe we should start looking at some alternatives a bit more aggressively? I've said this before though :)

The fed. gov't should just raise the gas tax until a gallon hits the $3 level (can't believe I'm saying that). The only way to encourage conservation and to lessen oil dependence is to direct market forces in other directions.

Honestly, I'd be for that if every penny raised went to alternative fuel research.

The gov't wouldn't need to subsidize alternative fuel research - the private sector would provide it to a public demanding alternative fuel sources. I could be wrong, but I don't think any federal funds paid for the research that resulted in such hybrids as the Toyota Prius and the Honda Insight. Automakers are selling hybrids as fast as they can make them.

Hybrids are only the first step. We need to get off of oil completely.

I don't think that will or should happen. Oil is still a good energy source, but it should be one among others. I'd just like to see the costs of it adjusted to spur private demand for other sources.

The costs going up WILL spur demand for other sources.
 

NeenerNeener

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: nergee
Don't we refine around 10 million bbls/day for gasoline? I think we import around 1.4-1.5 million bbls/day Venezuela....
Most of your supply comes from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela.

2003 U.S. Oil Imports

Canada, then Saudi Arabia, then Mexico, then Venezuela, then Nigeria, then (tee hee) Iraq.

Under the totals though, Stunt's point is illustrated well (except the venezuela part). Non OPEC = 7103, OPEC =~ 5000.
 

NeenerNeener

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However, check this out!

DOE Iraq Estimations

"Iraq is estimated to hold 115 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, and possibly much more undiscovered oil in unexplored areas of the country. Iraq also is estimated to contain at least 110 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. "

Hrrrrmmmmmmm. Think of what a WMD those would make! Kaboom!
 

Stunt

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That Oil Import data is far better than mine was...thanks :)
I'd be interested in more recent numbers as Venezuela has made threats, Canada's production has been increasing substantially, and Iraq is definately coming online as a major supplier.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: nergee
Don't we refine around 10 million bbls/day for gasoline? I think we import around 1.4-1.5 million bbls/day Venezuela....
Most of your supply comes from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela.

2003 U.S. Oil Imports

Canada, then Saudi Arabia, then Mexico, then Venezuela, then Nigeria, then (tee hee) Iraq.

Under the totals though, Stunt's point is illustrated well (except the venezuela part). Non OPEC = 7103, OPEC =~ 5000.

Thank you. I knew we were refining a ton of Saudi Oil.

I am surprised at the amount of Canadian oil though, it is apparent the northern refineries get their bulk oil from up there while the Saudi tankers pull up to port down here.

Looks like we have to annex Canada at least just for the oil.


 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
It's passed 60$ pr. barrel.
Good to hear.
My energy fund is kicking ass, If anyone hates paying gas prices, just invest in the companies profiting from it!

My fund is at $32, I bought in at $20 in August 2004.:beer:
 

dmcowen674

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6-27-2005 Oil Rises to Record High

VIENNA, Austria - Oil prices vaulted over the $60 mark Monday

Analysts said with $60 a barrel no longer a threshold ? and amid continued concerns about refining capacities ? prices appeared set to go even higher.

"The psychology of the market is that once $60 is breached, then there is tendency to test how much higher it can go, or how long $60 can be sustained," said Victor Shum, petroleum analyst at Texas-headquartered energy consultants Purvin & Gertz in Singapore.

"There's a lot of speculative activity. It is a red-hot market," said Shum.
 

Pabster

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Yeah, we all know the speculators are driving up the prices. So quit blaming the Bush administration! :p

(Time to check my portfolio now :D)
 

dmcowen674

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7-7-2005 Crude oil prices to surge above $100 a barrel

Volatile oil prices look as if they're here to stay, experts agree, at least for a year or two. Why? Partly because world oil demand is growing faster than oil production. Partly because financial speculators are gaming the markets.

And partly because nobody knows just how much oil is available, not least because it's unclear just how much oil Saudi Arabia has.

Crude oil prices closed at $61.28 a barrel Wednesday, the highest price since oil began trading
 

conjur

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Not sure why oil futures would increase because of a tropical storm in the Gulf. It's not like that affects the flow of oil from the Middle East. But, expect Dennis to affect prices even more.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: conjur
Not sure why oil futures would increase because of a tropical storm in the Gulf. It's not like that affects the flow of oil from the Middle East. But, expect Dennis to affect prices even more.

I'm sure according to the Oil traders, the extra fresh water from the storms dilutes the oil.