oil spill cleanup efforts are a disorganized mess

[GuitarDaddy]

Nobody wants to get their hands dirty, but everybody wants a check

 

[Darwin333]

Back at you, Chump.

Your hyperbole, ignorance, blame and obfuscation goes beyond viral trolling.

To attack others as 'part of the problem' and others that disagree with you as 'part of the problem' is juvenile, at best.


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He is part of the problem. He is part of the reason why Obama is playing CYA and the blame game instead of fixing problems. Instead of advocating that Obama that Obama fixes the massive flusterfuck of confusion, instead of advocating that Obama sends someone down that has a set of brass balls and can make decisions or get answers in hours (not days or weeks), instead of advocating that BP should not have full control over United States waters and a plethora of other fuckups currently happening he is playing the same CYA blame game. That is one of the biggest reasons (behind the actual spill itself) that a ton of coast, marshlands, estuaries and bayous currently have oil in them to the degree that they do, people are too busy trying to cover their asses. That is being part of the problem. Forgive me if one of the main people ultimately responsible happens to be on your political team but frankly I don't give a shit.

As far as him simply "disagreeing with me", it has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him and everything to do with the fact that he is flat out wrong. I have just a teensy weensy bit of perspective on the situation and its issues and it is very easy to prove that multiple government agencies (who is ultimately responsible for them again?) are either incompetent or negligent. Either way, Obama said it himself "The buck stops with him".

Thanks for playing though.

 

[Darwin333]

You would be great at giving out orders via internet forum. Then when the spill still isn't cleaned up, and you realize that this cluster isn't just a matter of leadership, you can fade away into anonymity.

I am on the boats and actually helping clean this mess up 3 days a week on my own dime. I am at the docks another 2 days, I live where the oil first washed ashore, I have a camp in Grand Isle, I see the cleanup effort daily and speak with the parish President of Plaquemines damn near every time I go to Buras/Venice to get on a boat and the President of Lafitte once a week or so. So yes, I do know what I am talking about because I am smack dab in the middle of the clusterfuck and have been since it started. I also lived through Katrina, Rita and Gustav. I was back in Jefferson Parish and parts of Orleans 2 1/2 days after the storm. I saw first hand how leadership can change a situation almost instantly. Do a little reading about General Honore and you might have just a tiny bit of perspective.

I have done more to actually help than you and probably everybody you know combined. I invite you to drag ass down here and I will get you on a boat if you care to help. I'd be happy to show you the clusterfuck in real life and let ya get your hands dirty a bit. I actually put my money, my time and a whole lot of sweat where my mouth is.

This is ALL about leadership. Period. Still to this very day no one has any idea who is really in charge and no one has the ability and the balls to cut through the red tape bureaucratic bullshit to get things done. You can say whatever ignorant crap you wish but it does not change the above facts.

 

[MrEgo]

So you think if Obama was down there directing traffic, the spill would be contained?

 

[nageov3t]

So you think if Obama was down there directing traffic, the spill would be contained?

you think that the federal government shouldn't be the ones taking a leadership role in directing a multi-state disaster cleanup of unprecedented proportions?

 

[Darwin333]

So you think if Obama was down there directing traffic, the spill would be contained?

Nope, I think if General Honore was down here we would have much less damage. I think if the EPA was doing their job things would be better. I think that if the COE would DIAF things would be better. I think if Obama would have accepted the offer of equipment from other countries things would be better. I think if Obama would have issued an order to have a few dozen tankers sucking the oil off the surface a month ago (and then sent the bill to BP of course) things would be better. If he doesn't want to do anything about it and continue playing CYA and the blame game he could simply advance the states the money and let them do it (again, sending the bill to BP).

Want more?

 

[Genx87]

So you think if Obama was down there directing traffic, the spill would be contained?

Why dont you attempt to read what darwin has said regarding the level of red tape one has to go through to get anything done. Obama could smack the fed agencies involved with this across the face and get shit done a lot quicker. But has he lessened the red tape? If he has, it isnt enough. It shouldnt take weeks and a study to get authorization for booms and closing of waterways to prevent further damage. Use some common fucking sense. What is worse, a boom or burms or oil all over the place?

 

[Darwin333]

One more example, Florida officials being threatened with Federal charges if they close off a pass in order to protect STATE waters.

“I have no confidence in the booming system,” he said. “What happens if we don’t wait for the Coast Guard, or BP.”
Lt. LaGuardia said the county will face federal charges if they block off the pass.

I sure hope he tells the CG to get fucked and does it anyway. That is the only way your waters will be saved.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

He lost me in regards to this issue when I read that he's turned away help offered from other nations because he doesn't want to piss off his union base. He politicized something which should never have been politicized. Dealing with and cleaning up this mess is secondary to pushing the progressive agenda.

This guy is consistent, I'll give him that. If there is a common sense solution and an insane partisan solution, he'll go with insane every time.

link?

 

[heyheybooboo]

(snipped the partisan troll BS)

Thanks for playing though.

Gosh --- it's interesting how you reguritate all that BLAME without a single mention of BP.

Being an asshole, complete with Ranting & Raging for weeks, does not make your 'perspective' any more lucid (or correct).

Feel free to hold your breath and stomp your feet as much as you wish.

The point remains: Your narrow focus (which properly aligns with your pointy little head), name-calling and 'blame gaming' Obama is not part of the solution.

Jindal may feel free to drop raw sludge into the GoM as far as I'm concerned; and the ultimate responsibility for the cost will reside with the taxpayers of Loosianna unless BP approves of the activities.

You will then be free to pursue BP in Federal court for reimbursement of those state expenses.

Need I point out that Exxon was initially required to pay out $5 billion for the Valdez incident, and after 19 years of appeals the settlement was reduced to $500 million?

So. Rage on, Fool. The dime belongs to the taxpayers of the state of Loosianna. Don't come running to Uncle Sugar when a court of competent jurisdiction tells you to pay up.

Jindal can drop sand bags out of his butt from Texas to Key West.

And in six weeks when tropical storm Igor blows crude over the tops of those berms you can blame Obama for that, too (without, of course, mentioning any responsibility of British Petroleum).





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[nageov3t]

I feel comfortable saying that I don't think BP should be directing the interstate clean-up efforts.

 

[Jaskalas]

I feel comfortable saying that I don't think BP should be directing the interstate clean-up efforts.

I feel comfortable saying I completely agree.

 

[Oceandevi]

THIS JUST IN!!

Oil spill cleanup efforts are actually just a PR move! According to martian scientists and heavenly angels until the relief well is drilled nothing else really matters.

 

[nageov3t]

THIS JUST IN!!

Oil spill cleanup efforts are actually just a PR move! According to martian scientists and heavenly angels until the relief well is drilled nothing else really matters.

I find that it's easier to shovel out 3" of snow multiple times throughout an afternoon rather than shoveling out 2' of snow once.

wouldn't the same logic apply?

 

[nick1985]

What did you expect? It took the bushistas 8 years reorganize FEMA into the clusterfuck dept of homeland security they created. As with anything like that, it's always easier to destroy than to build. They always claimed govt was incompetent, and did their dead level best to make it that way...

Now 17 months into their first term, the Obama admin gets to run what they brung, which was the wreck the bush admin left for 'em...

And if the Feds attempted to run the whole show, righties would jump right up and start screaming about states' rights and usurpation of constitutional privilege, blah, blah, blah... If they took on the expense, why, they'd be letting BP off the hook, right? Wasting taxpayers' money, too, no doubt.

And I'm sure that "smaller govt" would have handled it all a lot better...

Yep, we're every bit as prepared to deal with this as we were the day Dubya left office...

But it's all Obama's fault, right?

OH, Yeh, and "Drill, Baby, Drill!"

In the words of Bugs Bunny- "What a bunch of maroons!"

Blaming Bush for this is a loser politically. I hope you and your type keep pounding this drum. It is not resonating with the voters. According to polls, roughly 60% of the nation this Obama is sucking ass at "leading" the oil spill crisis.

But Bush!!! lol...seriously thats all you got?

 

[Nemesis 1]

What did you expect? It took the bushistas 8 years reorganize FEMA into the clusterfuck dept of homeland security they created. As with anything like that, it's always easier to destroy than to build. They always claimed govt was incompetent, and did their dead level best to make it that way...

Now 17 months into their first term, the Obama admin gets to run what they brung, which was the wreck the bush admin left for 'em...

And if the Feds attempted to run the whole show, righties would jump right up and start screaming about states' rights and usurpation of constitutional privilege, blah, blah, blah... If they took on the expense, why, they'd be letting BP off the hook, right? Wasting taxpayers' money, too, no doubt.

And I'm sure that "smaller govt" would have handled it all a lot better...

Yep, we're every bit as prepared to deal with this as we were the day Dubya left office...

But it's all Obama's fault, right?

OH, Yeh, and "Drill, Baby, Drill!"

In the words of Bugs Bunny- "What a bunch of maroons!"

When are you going to wise up , This isn't a football game were you choose a team .

Stop blaming Bush for whats going on now . Blame the whole system . Your going to understand how ignorant you have been . Bush Clinton Bush Obama . Same Wolf differant clothing.

 

[Oceandevi]

I find that it's easier to shovel out 3" of snow multiple times throughout an afternoon rather than shoveling out 2' of snow once.

wouldn't the same logic apply?

Are you for real? Snow is not comparable. And buy a snow blower you caveman.

 

[thepd7]

Gosh --- it's interesting how you reguritate all that BLAME without a single mention of BP.

Being an asshole, complete with Ranting & Raging for weeks, does not make your 'perspective' any more lucid (or correct).

Feel free to hold your breath and stomp your feet as much as you wish.

The point remains: Your narrow focus (which properly aligns with your pointy little head), name-calling and 'blame gaming' Obama is not part of the solution.

Jindal may feel free to drop raw sludge into the GoM as far as I'm concerned; and the ultimate responsibility for the cost will reside with the taxpayers of Loosianna unless BP approves of the activities.

You will then be free to pursue BP in Federal court for reimbursement of those state expenses.

Need I point out that Exxon was initially required to pay out $5 billion for the Valdez incident, and after 19 years of appeals the settlement was reduced to $500 million?

So. Rage on, Fool. The dime belongs to the taxpayers of the state of Loosianna. Don't come running to Uncle Sugar when a court of competent jurisdiction tells you to pay up.

Jindal can drop sand bags out of his butt from Texas to Key West.

And in six weeks when tropical storm Igor blows crude over the tops of those berms you can blame Obama for that, too (without, of course, mentioning any responsibility of British Petroleum)

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Seems to me like Darwin is a fan of actually getting shit done (by the massive amount of smackdown he laid on you and others).

Maybe he hasn't mentioned BP because he actually wants shit to get done?

Additionally, Obama said they are going to review the claims process. So as you correctly noted if Louisiana doesn't get paid for what it took to protect their water/land, then yes that would be the current administrations fault.

 

[IGBT]

this is by design to forward the anti oil eco-KOOK agenda. The more oil and dead birds on the beach the better from the eco-KOOK point of view.

 

[MrEgo]

Nope, I think if General Honore was down here we would have much less damage. I think if the EPA was doing their job things would be better. I think that if the COE would DIAF things would be better. I think if Obama would have accepted the offer of equipment from other countries things would be better. I think if Obama would have issued an order to have a few dozen tankers sucking the oil off the surface a month ago (and then sent the bill to BP of course) things would be better. If he doesn't want to do anything about it and continue playing CYA and the blame game he could simply advance the states the money and let them do it (again, sending the bill to BP).

Want more?

Yes, I would like more if you got it. You're about the only guy on here that has some substance to the Obama criticism.

I originally took the position that the Obama hate was completely unfounded (and for good reason), but your first-hand experience is good to know. I'm still not convinced that all of the Obama criticism is deserved, but it is becoming clear that he is deserving of some in regards to the clean up effort.

I hate red tape just as much as the next guy.

 

[theeedude]

Private sector and states will take care of it.

 

[Linflas]

link?

U.S. reconsiders Dutch offer to supply oil skimmers

The Dutch offered to fly their skimmer arm systems to the Gulf 3 days after the oil spill started. The offer was apparently turned down because EPA regulations do not allow water with oil to be pumped back into the ocean. If all the oily water was retained in the tanker, the capacity of the system would be greatly diminished because most of what is pumped into the tanker is sea water.

Bolding added.

 

[nageov3t]

Private sector and states will take care of it.

us liberals would like our big government to do so, thanks :thumbsup:

I didn't vote for Sarah Palin for a reason.

 

[Oceandevi]

this is by design to forward the anti oil eco-KOOK agenda. The more oil and dead birds on the beach the better from the eco-KOOK point of view.

Words of a true patriot. God damned nature trying to take away our freedoms.

 

[William Gaatjes]

He lost me in regards to this issue when I read that he's turned away help offered from other nations because he doesn't want to piss off his union base. He politicized something which should never have been politicized. Dealing with and cleaning up this mess is secondary to pushing the progressive agenda.

This guy is consistent, I'll give him that. If there is a common sense solution and an insane partisan solution, he'll go with insane every time.

Is this true ?

I would have never expected that from the man who was supposed to unite nation :hmm:.

When the same people are backing the different (and different political) administrations for the last 16 - 20 years ( thats when i started keeping track.)...