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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Step #1 - Nationalize all energy production, development, and distribution.

Step #2 - Install a transparent national energy administration (all policy-level dialogue open for public review), with a strong board of elected but term-limited oversight officers. The goal is to eliminate high energy costs, so that the heavy costs otherwise sunk into energy can be otherwise invested in the economy at large.

Step #3 - Nationalize a maximum-priority new federal agency focused purely on developing existing and new energy technologies, such as wind, solar, water, nuclear, cold fusion, quantum entanglement, etc. Keep the agency as politically independent as possible.

Energy is a national-security-level issue now, and cannot be trusted to private enterprise, the same way our national defense system cannot be outsourced. The military is a purely government-run institution, and has performed with pure excellence during its history. If free market prices are unrestrained on such an integral part of our economy, a major international energy crisis (such as a total nuclear war in the ME) could send our domestic economy into a terminal tailspin. Can you imagine what $50/galllon gasoline would do to prices on EVERYthing? It would make the great depression look like a 10-point drop in the Dow. Total chaos would ensue. Full energy independence should not only be a goal or a catchphrase, it should be the only acceptable plan for our future.

Our security is simply too important to leave hanging in the balance of free-market chaos.

So your answer is complete government regularion? Yeah, thats been sooo sucessful in the past :roll:

Also, you forgot the ONE key thing in your vision of Utopia...how do you deal with the fact that energy is a world-traded commodity?

(1)- Our Military is a totally goverment-regulated entity, and it performs with oustanding excellence. While I generally prefer private ownership and management when possible, the government can manage things just fine, so long as politics are kept to a minimum, and oversight is emphasized to the highest regard.

(2)- We simply must step above the rest of the world when it comes to energy. The nature of 21st-century US society and economics are utterly dependent on relative energy stability to leave it in the hands of fickle global markets. Let the rest of the world rot in the 20th century, if total war breaks out in the ME, their economies will self-destruct.

OK but you didnt answer my question. How would a country who is NOT a member of OPEC be able to control what OPEC does? And...how does a government control a commodity that is traded and priced worldwide?

I hear you, and understand that it would be a monumentally difficult task, but it remains one that I believe is indeed worthwhile.

Answer to how we would control OPEC : we wouldn't. In the interim, the US Federal Domestic Energy Agency (what I propose) would have to pay Opec for it's product, at market prices for a period of time, while domestic production and refineries ramp up. It would be up to a gargantuan national effort to replace our entire energy supply with domestically-produced components. It is conceivable that during the early stages of this endeavour, that subsidies would be required in order to keep prices reasonable for domestic economic vitality, particularly in the service and supply sectors. When energy prices rise rapidly and without prior warning, the little guys take it on the chin first, and then the effect begins to hit retailers, banks, etc as secondary and tertiary effects, as people have dramatically reduced funds with which to buy anything that ISNT gas/fuel/heating. Taken to an extreme, this is a legitimate threat to our national security.

To reiterate somewhat, the goal is to replace ALL energy supply with federally-produced domestic supplies. A prerequisite for this rather ambitious idea to even take shape is a massive focus both on efficiency in refining such assets as shale-embedded crude, as well as replacement energy/gas sources. The agricultural possibilities have as yet not been exploited to their optimal potential, as well as a lack of a full push towards fuel-cell/hydrogen tech. A big negative on fuel-cells/hydrogen has been the expense of extracting it from natural gas, which is complicated and dangerous to this point. I have read of recent developments of hydrogen reactors which extract from Ethanol, and the reactors are tabletop-size! A google search will show some fascinating projects.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Step #1 - Nationalize all energy production, development, and distribution.

Step #2 - Install a transparent national energy administration (all policy-level dialogue open for public review), with a strong board of elected but term-limited oversight officers. The goal is to eliminate high energy costs, so that the heavy costs otherwise sunk into energy can be otherwise invested in the economy at large.

Step #3 - Nationalize a maximum-priority new federal agency focused purely on developing existing and new energy technologies, such as wind, solar, water, nuclear, cold fusion, quantum entanglement, etc. Keep the agency as politically independent as possible.

Energy is a national-security-level issue now, and cannot be trusted to private enterprise, the same way our national defense system cannot be outsourced. The military is a purely government-run institution, and has performed with pure excellence during its history. If free market prices are unrestrained on such an integral part of our economy, a major international energy crisis (such as a total nuclear war in the ME) could send our domestic economy into a terminal tailspin. Can you imagine what $50/galllon gasoline would do to prices on EVERYthing? It would make the great depression look like a 10-point drop in the Dow. Total chaos would ensue. Full energy independence should not only be a goal or a catchphrase, it should be the only acceptable plan for our future.

Our security is simply too important to leave hanging in the balance of free-market chaos.

So your answer is complete government regularion? Yeah, thats been sooo sucessful in the past :roll:

Also, you forgot the ONE key thing in your vision of Utopia...how do you deal with the fact that energy is a world-traded commodity?

(1)- Our Military is a totally goverment-regulated entity, and it performs with oustanding excellence. While I generally prefer private ownership and management when possible, the government can manage things just fine, so long as politics are kept to a minimum, and oversight is emphasized to the highest regard.

(2)- We simply must step above the rest of the world when it comes to energy. The nature of 21st-century US society and economics are utterly dependent on relative energy stability to leave it in the hands of fickle global markets. Let the rest of the world rot in the 20th century, if total war breaks out in the ME, their economies will self-destruct.

OK but you didnt answer my question. How would a country who is NOT a member of OPEC be able to control what OPEC does? And...how does a government control a commodity that is traded and priced worldwide?


Just because something is regulated doesnt mean it cant be dynamic, so sure we can regulate energy and still change with the change in per barrel prices

 
I know...

Limit automobiles to one per household.

The money used for additional vehicles will be collected in the form of a tax, to pay for building light rail and other public transportation. Since it is the middle class and rich who more automobiles, they will pay to subsidize the poor's lack of funds to buy a car and pay for their public transportation (after all, the rich have too much anyway, right?).

Limit homes to say, 4000 sq feet.

Limit lighting purchases to control electricity used.

Limit air travel to maximum of once per quarter (to limit the airplanes from flying, thus limiting fuel used.).

Tighten controls on military fuel operated vehicles to a "only-as-needed" use.

Limit barbeques to once per month to cut down on propane used.




Hows that for a start?
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
If you want to bemoan them selling their higher cost inventory after future prices go down then let?s make it the law where companies have to lose money, that?ll fix the economy for sure. 😉


When the government does it, it's the best thing since sliced bread (at least according to supply-side economics). Either way, the oil companies hardly lose money either way.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
I know...

Limit automobiles to one per household.

The money used for additional vehicles will be collected in the form of a tax, to pay for building light rail and other public transportation. Since it is the middle class and rich who more automobiles, they will pay to subsidize the poor's lack of funds to buy a car and pay for their public transportation (after all, the rich have too much anyway, right?).

Limit homes to say, 4000 sq feet.

Limit lighting purchases to control electricity used.

Limit air travel to maximum of once per quarter (to limit the airplanes from flying, thus limiting fuel used.).

Tighten controls on military fuel operated vehicles to a "only-as-needed" use.

Limit barbeques to once per month to cut down on propane used.




Hows that for a start?

I think its a great start to an entriely different problem.

 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
I know...

Limit automobiles to one per household.

The money used for additional vehicles will be collected in the form of a tax, to pay for building light rail and other public transportation. Since it is the middle class and rich who more automobiles, they will pay to subsidize the poor's lack of funds to buy a car and pay for their public transportation (after all, the rich have too much anyway, right?).

Limit homes to say, 4000 sq feet.

Limit lighting purchases to control electricity used.

Limit air travel to maximum of once per quarter (to limit the airplanes from flying, thus limiting fuel used.).

Tighten controls on military fuel operated vehicles to a "only-as-needed" use.

Limit barbeques to once per month to cut down on propane used.




Hows that for a start?

Although I advocate none of this, those would all be preferable to seeing our economy implode. I believe that because very few people living experienced such horrors as the great depression, that most of our society believes that our economy and well-being are invulnerable states of existence. On the contrary, our economy, and our very existence as a nation, are remarkably fragile, and could easily be virtually erased by a genuine global energy crisis. Because the world economy has become so tightly interwoven, a disaster in the middle east alone could bring us to our knees as never before.

I do not think that we would have to majorly modify our energy consumption on the front end (IE; what people do on a day to day basis with power and transport), but that by focusing heavily on the back-end (type of energy supplied, and cost controls) we can bridge from utter dependence to complete independence. Rationing & regulating individual's energy uses would be both asinine and counterproductive outside of the most dire circumstances.

It is somewhat of a strawman throwaway argument to suggest such procedures.

I understand your frustration to some extent, but one must accept that there are very few if any absolutes.
 
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Are you in favor of tax dollars going to energy companies that take a loss?

You actually believe these Companies ever take a loss? 😕 :roll:

Google Entergy New Orleans

Oh please, I lived in New Orleans.

They blew all that money on a Nuclear plant that never got off the ground.

Try again.
 
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Step #1 - Nationalize all energy production, development, and distribution.

Step #2 - Install a transparent national energy administration (all policy-level dialogue open for public review), with a strong board of elected but term-limited oversight officers. The goal is to eliminate high energy costs, so that the heavy costs otherwise sunk into energy can be otherwise invested in the economy at large.

Step #3 - Nationalize a maximum-priority new federal agency focused purely on developing existing and new energy technologies, such as wind, solar, water, nuclear, cold fusion, quantum entanglement, etc. Keep the agency as politically independent as possible.

Energy is a national-security-level issue now, and cannot be trusted to private enterprise, the same way our national defense system cannot be outsourced. The military is a purely government-run institution, and has performed with pure excellence during its history. If free market prices are unrestrained on such an integral part of our economy, a major international energy crisis (such as a total nuclear war in the ME) could send our domestic economy into a terminal tailspin. Can you imagine what $50/galllon gasoline would do to prices on EVERYthing? It would make the great depression look like a 10-point drop in the Dow. Total chaos would ensue. Full energy independence should not only be a goal or a catchphrase, it should be the only acceptable plan for our future.

Our security is simply too important to leave hanging in the balance of free-market chaos.

So your answer is complete government regularion? Yeah, thats been sooo sucessful in the past :roll:

Also, you forgot the ONE key thing in your vision of Utopia...how do you deal with the fact that energy is a world-traded commodity?

(1)- Our Military is a totally goverment-regulated entity, and it performs with oustanding excellence. While I generally prefer private ownership and management when possible, the government can manage things just fine, so long as politics are kept to a minimum, and oversight is emphasized to the highest regard.

(2)- We simply must step above the rest of the world when it comes to energy. The nature of 21st-century US society and economics are utterly dependent on relative energy stability to leave it in the hands of fickle global markets. Let the rest of the world rot in the 20th century, if total war breaks out in the ME, their economies will self-destruct.

OK but you didnt answer my question. How would a country who is NOT a member of OPEC be able to control what OPEC does? And...how does a government control a commodity that is traded and priced worldwide?

I hear you, and understand that it would be a monumentally difficult task, but it remains one that I believe is indeed worthwhile.

Answer to how we would control OPEC : we wouldn't. In the interim, the US Federal Domestic Energy Agency (what I propose) would have to pay Opec for it's product, at market prices for a period of time, while domestic production and refineries ramp up. It would be up to a gargantuan national effort to replace our entire energy supply with domestically-produced components. It is conceivable that during the early stages of this endeavour, that subsidies would be required in order to keep prices reasonable for domestic economic vitality, particularly in the service and supply sectors. When energy prices rise rapidly and without prior warning, the little guys take it on the chin first, and then the effect begins to hit retailers, banks, etc as secondary and tertiary effects, as people have dramatically reduced funds with which to buy anything that ISNT gas/fuel/heating. Taken to an extreme, this is a legitimate threat to our national security.

To reiterate somewhat, the goal is to replace ALL energy supply with federally-produced domestic supplies. A prerequisite for this rather ambitious idea to even take shape is a massive focus both on efficiency in refining such assets as shale-embedded crude, as well as replacement energy/gas sources. The agricultural possibilities have as yet not been exploited to their optimal potential, as well as a lack of a full push towards fuel-cell/hydrogen tech. A big negative on fuel-cells/hydrogen has been the expense of extracting it from natural gas, which is complicated and dangerous to this point. I have read of recent developments of hydrogen reactors which extract from Ethanol, and the reactors are tabletop-size! A google search will show some fascinating projects.

I like the idea. Its an answer to our current problem besides ?Oh noes! The big bad oil companies make too much money!?. However, I don't believe in our current political climate that it can be achieved. Both sides of the aisle will scream bloody murder. It would take an energy crisis of unheard of proportions to get something like this instated. Look at how hard it was to drill in ANWAR or how long it has taken to start building a new nuclear power plant. Or look at how hard it is for Louisiana to get the Fed's to share royalties from offshore drilling so that they can fix the coastal erosion caused by the drilling.

You are right about the national security issue as well. Considering how fast other countries are presently industrializing its not hard to imagine fuel shortages in the not so distant future.

Question: Since OPEC makes a ton of money off of the U.S. What is to stop them from blackmailing us into not seeking the solution you outlined? At this point in time all they would have to do is threaten to stop selling us oil and we would be at their mercy.
 
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: blackangst1
I know...

Limit automobiles to one per household.

The money used for additional vehicles will be collected in the form of a tax, to pay for building light rail and other public transportation. Since it is the middle class and rich who more automobiles, they will pay to subsidize the poor's lack of funds to buy a car and pay for their public transportation (after all, the rich have too much anyway, right?).

Limit homes to say, 4000 sq feet.

Limit lighting purchases to control electricity used.

Limit air travel to maximum of once per quarter (to limit the airplanes from flying, thus limiting fuel used.).

Tighten controls on military fuel operated vehicles to a "only-as-needed" use.

Limit barbeques to once per month to cut down on propane used.




Hows that for a start?

Although I advocate none of this, those would all be preferable to seeing our economy implode. I believe that because very few people living experienced such horrors as the great depression, that most of our society believes that our economy and well-being are invulnerable states of existence. On the contrary, our economy, and our very existence as a nation, are remarkably fragile, and could easily be virtually erased by a genuine global energy crisis. Because the world economy has become so tightly interwoven, a disaster in the middle east alone could bring us to our knees as never before.

I do not think that we would have to majorly modify our energy consumption on the front end (IE; what people do on a day to day basis with power and transport), but that by focusing heavily on the back-end (type of energy supplied, and cost controls) we can bridge from utter dependence to complete independence. Rationing & regulating individual's energy uses would be both asinine and counterproductive outside of the most dire circumstances.

It is somewhat of a strawman throwaway argument to suggest such procedures.

I understand your frustration to some extent, but one must accept that there are very few if any absolutes.

bah I guess I forgot to put /sarcasm at the end of my thread lol

It was a joke. As such those "ideas" are as plausible as the USA becoming independant from foreign oil. It aint gonna happen.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Are you in favor of tax dollars going to energy companies that take a loss?

You actually believe these Companies ever take a loss? 😕 :roll:

Google Entergy New Orleans

Oh please, I lived in New Orleans.

They blew all that money on a Nuclear plant that never got off the ground.

Try again.

Actually, they lost over a billion dollars because the Federal Government did not properly build the levees. Then, because of the Federal Governments screw up they lost over half of their customer base.

Regardless of where you used to live, I would certainly constitute a billion dollars as a loss in a market as small as New Orleans.
 
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Are you in favor of tax dollars going to energy companies that take a loss?

You actually believe these Companies ever take a loss? 😕 :roll:

Google Entergy New Orleans

Oh please, I lived in New Orleans.

They blew all that money on a Nuclear plant that never got off the ground.

Try again.

Actually, they lost over a billion dollars because the Federal Government did not properly build the levees. Then, because of the Federal Governments screw up they lost over half of their customer base.

Regardless of where you used to live, I would certainly constitute a billion dollars as a loss in a market as small as New Orleans.

Who specificlly lost money?
Was that Money Insured in any way?
Whats the bottom dollar yearly profit of the company that lost said money
?
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: blackangst1
I know...

Limit automobiles to one per household.

The money used for additional vehicles will be collected in the form of a tax, to pay for building light rail and other public transportation. Since it is the middle class and rich who more automobiles, they will pay to subsidize the poor's lack of funds to buy a car and pay for their public transportation (after all, the rich have too much anyway, right?).

Limit homes to say, 4000 sq feet.

Limit lighting purchases to control electricity used.

Limit air travel to maximum of once per quarter (to limit the airplanes from flying, thus limiting fuel used.).

Tighten controls on military fuel operated vehicles to a "only-as-needed" use.

Limit barbeques to once per month to cut down on propane used.




Hows that for a start?

Although I advocate none of this, those would all be preferable to seeing our economy implode. I believe that because very few people living experienced such horrors as the great depression, that most of our society believes that our economy and well-being are invulnerable states of existence. On the contrary, our economy, and our very existence as a nation, are remarkably fragile, and could easily be virtually erased by a genuine global energy crisis. Because the world economy has become so tightly interwoven, a disaster in the middle east alone could bring us to our knees as never before.

I do not think that we would have to majorly modify our energy consumption on the front end (IE; what people do on a day to day basis with power and transport), but that by focusing heavily on the back-end (type of energy supplied, and cost controls) we can bridge from utter dependence to complete independence. Rationing & regulating individual's energy uses would be both asinine and counterproductive outside of the most dire circumstances.

It is somewhat of a strawman throwaway argument to suggest such procedures.

I understand your frustration to some extent, but one must accept that there are very few if any absolutes.

bah I guess I forgot to put /sarcasm at the end of my thread lol

It was a joke. As such those "ideas" are as plausible as the USA becoming independant from foreign oil. It aint gonna happen.

Sadly, I agree with you in terms of both realism and pragmatism in the immediate future. I think US foreign oil independence will not occur until *after* a major disaster, and a possible to probable utter economic collapse as a result of not taking these issues seriously beforehand.

 
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Are you in favor of tax dollars going to energy companies that take a loss?

You actually believe these Companies ever take a loss? 😕 :roll:

Google Entergy New Orleans

Oh please, I lived in New Orleans.

They blew all that money on a Nuclear plant that never got off the ground.

Try again.

Actually, they lost over a billion dollars because the Federal Government did not properly build the levees. Then, because of the Federal Governments screw up they lost over half of their customer base.

Regardless of where you used to live, I would certainly constitute a billion dollars as a loss in a market as small as New Orleans.

Oh please. They were looking for an out and Katrina gave it to them.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
I know...

Limit automobiles to one per household.

The money used for additional vehicles will be collected in the form of a tax, to pay for building light rail and other public transportation. Since it is the middle class and rich who more automobiles, they will pay to subsidize the poor's lack of funds to buy a car and pay for their public transportation (after all, the rich have too much anyway, right?).

Limit homes to say, 4000 sq feet.

Limit lighting purchases to control electricity used.

Limit air travel to maximum of once per quarter (to limit the airplanes from flying, thus limiting fuel used.).

Tighten controls on military fuel operated vehicles to a "only-as-needed" use.

Limit barbeques to once per month to cut down on propane used.




Hows that for a start?

Just put a luxury tax on.... luxury items and use the money to fund alternate energy research. I do know that this is a problem that isn't going to go away on it's own. Of course I probably only have 30 years left on this planet (if I'm lucky) so why should I give a rat's ass?
 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
I know...

Limit automobiles to one per household.

The money used for additional vehicles will be collected in the form of a tax, to pay for building light rail and other public transportation. Since it is the middle class and rich who more automobiles, they will pay to subsidize the poor's lack of funds to buy a car and pay for their public transportation (after all, the rich have too much anyway, right?).

Limit homes to say, 4000 sq feet.

Limit lighting purchases to control electricity used.

Limit air travel to maximum of once per quarter (to limit the airplanes from flying, thus limiting fuel used.).

Tighten controls on military fuel operated vehicles to a "only-as-needed" use.

Limit barbeques to once per month to cut down on propane used.




Hows that for a start?

Just put a luxury tax on.... luxury items and use the money to fund alternate energy research. I do know that this is a problem that isn't going to go away on it's own. Of course I probably only have 30 years left on this planet (if I'm lucky) so why should I give a rat's ass?

So who decides what is a luxury? Do we look at other countries and seek their level? Like running water is a luxury? Electricity is a luxury? An enclosed house is a luxury?

Just curious. And what of all these things isnt taxed already?
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: blackangst1
I know...

Limit automobiles to one per household.

The money used for additional vehicles will be collected in the form of a tax, to pay for building light rail and other public transportation. Since it is the middle class and rich who more automobiles, they will pay to subsidize the poor's lack of funds to buy a car and pay for their public transportation (after all, the rich have too much anyway, right?).

Limit homes to say, 4000 sq feet.

Limit lighting purchases to control electricity used.

Limit air travel to maximum of once per quarter (to limit the airplanes from flying, thus limiting fuel used.).

Tighten controls on military fuel operated vehicles to a "only-as-needed" use.

Limit barbeques to once per month to cut down on propane used.




Hows that for a start?

Just put a luxury tax on.... luxury items and use the money to fund alternate energy research. I do know that this is a problem that isn't going to go away on it's own. Of course I probably only have 30 years left on this planet (if I'm lucky) so why should I give a rat's ass?

So who decides what is a luxury?
Let the people vote on it
Do we look at other countries and seek their level?
Of course not
Like running water is a luxury?
the way the world is going it just might be some day
Electricity is a luxury?
depends on how much you use
An enclosed house is a luxury?
Not in the nort country, only the south. 😉
Just curious. And what of all these things isnt taxed already?

I'm talking about an tax based on how much over the norm you are using. The farther over the norm, the higher the tax.

 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Are you in favor of tax dollars going to energy companies that take a loss?

You actually believe these Companies ever take a loss? 😕 :roll:

Google Entergy New Orleans

Oh please, I lived in New Orleans.

They blew all that money on a Nuclear plant that never got off the ground.

Try again.

Actually, they lost over a billion dollars because the Federal Government did not properly build the levees. Then, because of the Federal Governments screw up they lost over half of their customer base.

Regardless of where you used to live, I would certainly constitute a billion dollars as a loss in a market as small as New Orleans.

Oh please. They were looking for an out and Katrina gave it to them.

So your argument went from "Oh please they blew that money on something" to "Oh please they where looking for a way out long before the Federal Government cost them a billion dollars and half of their customer base"?

I just want to be clear.
 
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Are you in favor of tax dollars going to energy companies that take a loss?

You actually believe these Companies ever take a loss? 😕 :roll:

Google Entergy New Orleans

Oh please, I lived in New Orleans.

They blew all that money on a Nuclear plant that never got off the ground.

Try again.

Actually, they lost over a billion dollars because the Federal Government did not properly build the levees. Then, because of the Federal Governments screw up they lost over half of their customer base.

Regardless of where you used to live, I would certainly constitute a billion dollars as a loss in a market as small as New Orleans.

Oh please. They were looking for an out and Katrina gave it to them.

So your argument went from "Oh please they blew that money on something" to "Oh please they where looking for a way out long before the Federal Government cost them a billion dollars and half of their customer base"?

I just want to be clear.

They were whining long before Katrina because of the failed Nuclear plant attempt.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Are you in favor of tax dollars going to energy companies that take a loss?

You actually believe these Companies ever take a loss? 😕 :roll:

Google Entergy New Orleans

Oh please, I lived in New Orleans.

They blew all that money on a Nuclear plant that never got off the ground.

Try again.

Actually, they lost over a billion dollars because the Federal Government did not properly build the levees. Then, because of the Federal Governments screw up they lost over half of their customer base.

Regardless of where you used to live, I would certainly constitute a billion dollars as a loss in a market as small as New Orleans.

Oh please. They were looking for an out and Katrina gave it to them.

So your argument went from "Oh please they blew that money on something" to "Oh please they where looking for a way out long before the Federal Government cost them a billion dollars and half of their customer base"?

I just want to be clear.

They were whining long before Katrina because of the failed Nuclear plant attempt.



To use your own style of replying?.

Oh please, that?s all you can come up with to explain away a companies billion dollar loss and loss of half its customer base? all caused directly because of the Federal Government?
 
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Are you in favor of tax dollars going to energy companies that take a loss?

You actually believe these Companies ever take a loss? 😕 :roll:

Google Entergy New Orleans

Oh please, I lived in New Orleans.

They blew all that money on a Nuclear plant that never got off the ground.

Try again.

Actually, they lost over a billion dollars because the Federal Government did not properly build the levees. Then, because of the Federal Governments screw up they lost over half of their customer base.

Regardless of where you used to live, I would certainly constitute a billion dollars as a loss in a market as small as New Orleans.

Oh please. They were looking for an out and Katrina gave it to them.

So your argument went from "Oh please they blew that money on something" to "Oh please they where looking for a way out long before the Federal Government cost them a billion dollars and half of their customer base"?

I just want to be clear.

They were whining long before Katrina because of the failed Nuclear plant attempt.

To use your own style of replying?.

Oh please, that?s all you can come up with to explain away a companies billion dollar loss and loss of half its customer base? all caused directly because of the Federal Government?

Yep, nothing like sticking taxpayers with the bill while lining the pockets of the execs.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Genx87
Gas is below 2 bucks a gallon in some parts of Minneapolis. I filled up with premium this morning for 2.15.

Is that supposed to be cheap? 😕
Less than half the $5 that you keep crowing about.

Seems less than the price of gas that you keep complaining aboiut.

 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Genx87
Gas is below 2 bucks a gallon in some parts of Minneapolis. I filled up with premium this morning for 2.15.

Is that supposed to be cheap? 😕
Less than half the $5 that you keep crowing about.

Seems less than the price of gas that you keep complaining aboiut.
Not to mention that the price of gas is *gasp* dropping.
 
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