"Oil Addiction Rehabilitation Park"

[zippy]

ROCK ON! 🙂

Hope it gets the green light. 🙂

 

[Rallispec]

cool.. reading through the article now.. looks interesting

 

[zippy]

I'll try and take a pic of the graphic that was in the paper of this tech park and put a link up later. It's so damn cool. 🙂

 

[Ladies Man]

more oil for me! wahoo!

 

[Kilgor]

Why bother with solar power when one little nuclear plant could power the whole place with some left over.😀

 

[glenn1]

Why bother with solar power when one little nuclear plant could power the whole place with some left over?

That raises a question for me.... i'll admit, my knowledge of alternative power is pretty slim, but i seem to remember that solar power is one of the least cost-effective alternative energy solutions in the long run - that meaning, the costs and energy required to develop a solar cell cannot be recouped by the electricity production capability of said solar cell. Not only that, solar cells seemed to have scaled in production costs in lockstep or even faster than their effeciency levels could be improved... to get a cell from say 10% efficiency to 12% efficiency would involve not a 2% increase in its cost, but more along the lines of 10-20%. Again, this is all from memory and may not be correct, but was this correct at one point, and/or this still the case?

 

[zippy]

Originally posted by: Kilgor
Why bother with solar power when one little nuclear plant could power the whole place with some left over.😀

Because even though it doesn't f' up the atmosphere like fossil fuels, there are still serious side effects to using nuclear power. Disposal of the toxic end product, a great deal of heat released into a water source, etc. It's cleaner, but not the answer to our fuel source issues.

The roof of the 65 acre destiNY building is all glass with photovoltaic cells in it - expensive roof...also providing a lot of power. They'll also be using about 60 fuel cells, turbines, etc. for power. They estimate that the initial cost will be 250million more than if they used fossil fuels, but for a 2.2billion project, it's worth it. This is because it is more expensive to obtain and install. However, in the long run, it will cost less, both monetarily and in environmental destruction. Not to mention, it will provide a huge boost to the move towards new fuel sources.

This Technology Park idea where they would get all kinds of fuel efficiency/sources companies to have a place to do R&D would be great. It would provide a huge boost to that movement! I really hope this happens. 🙂

 

[Kilgor]

Because even though it doesn't f' up the atmosphere like fossil fuels, there are still serious side effects to using nuclear power. Disposal of the toxic end product, a great deal of heat released into a water source, etc. It's cleaner, but not the answer to our fuel source issues.

Whatever

, hope it doesn?t get cloudy. 😀

 

[AZGamer]

Originally posted by: Kilgor

Because even though it doesn't f' up the atmosphere like fossil fuels, there are still serious side effects to using nuclear power. Disposal of the toxic end product, a great deal of heat released into a water source, etc. It's cleaner, but not the answer to our fuel source issues.

Whatever

, hope it doesn?t get cloudy. 😀

Or, god-forbid you need to turn on a light at night, or during a solar eclipse 🙂

 

[zippy]

Originally posted by: Kilgor

Because even though it doesn't f' up the atmosphere like fossil fuels, there are still serious side effects to using nuclear power. Disposal of the toxic end product, a great deal of heat released into a water source, etc. It's cleaner, but not the answer to our fuel source issues.

Whatever

, hope it doesn?t get cloudy. 😀

Heh, that's exactly the problem. People with that kind of attitude and little knowledge of the topic. 😉

 

[Nefrodite]

well the current motherjones magazine has a bit on wind power. its becoming far more practical then solar apparently😛

 

[zippy]

Or, god-forbid you need to turn on a light at night, or during a solar eclipse 🙂

I'm not really sure what the hell you're talking about actually.

I drive a Volvo S40, it uses gas, I leave my computer on overnight many times, I get my power from a nuclear power plant, I'm not some nut living in the forest with a candle and a copy of The Great Gatsby that has been read 24 times in my back pocket. I'm simply saying that we can't rely on fossil fuels. For environmental reasons, political reasons, and practical reasons.

 

[zippy]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
well the current motherjones magazine has a bit on wind power. its becoming far more practical then solar apparently😛

Yes, Sweden or Finland (I can't remember with one of those it is...) uses a ton of wind powered turbines to provide a great deal of power. They have the turbines in the Baltic Sea (I think). Only problem with this is the birds...that get cut up. :Q I know one of those countries does that and has the turbines in a body of water (with the turbine above water of course), I think I got my facts right.

We have a big field on a hill about 45 minutes from where I live with a ton of turbines there. I haven't been there yet, but a lot of my friends have. Good place for frisbee aparently. 🙂

 

[charrison]

It is their 2.2 billion to spend. That is about 9 times the cost of a conventional building complex(per their numbers).

This means it will take at least 9 times as long for return on investment or 9 times as high rental fees. They are probably better offer using top of the line construction technics to lower the energy costs of the building, rather than foolishing using every "green" technology there is.

 

[zippy]

charrison, if you read the article, you would know that the 2.2bill is being used on building the largest mall in the nation. It does not cost 24.4mill to build a building of this size as you claim. 😉

What is happening is Pyramid Co. is building the largest mall in America in Syracuse, NY and the owner of the company is dedicated to building it as a completely "Green Building" (no fossil fuels to be used at all in powering it, air purifiers to make the air inside cleaner than out, etc.). He also proposed a plan to build a 500million "Technology Park" nearby for the R&D of fuel efficient technologies. Pyramid would use it's political clout and support the park, but an outside source would fund it and build it with companies coming from around the world to take part in the "park" and be one of the companies that takes it as its home. That's a brief summary for the people who just feel like jumping to conclusions instead of reading the article. 😉 I know, I know, it's long (with the picture it took up more than a complete page in the local paper).

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: zippy
charrison, if you read the article, you would know that the 2.2bill is being used on building the largest mall in the nation. It does not cost 24.4mill to build a building of this size as you claim. 😉

What is happening is Pyramid Co. is building the largest mall in America in Syracuse, NY and the owner of the company is dedicated to building it as a completely "Green Building" (no fossil fuels to be used at all in powering it, air purifiers to make the air inside cleaner than out, etc.). He also proposed a plan to build a 500million "Technology Park" nearby for the R&D of fuel efficient technologies. Pyramid would use it's political clout and support the park, but an outside source would fund it and build it with companies coming from around the world to take part in the "park" and be one of the companies that takes it as its home. That's a brief summary for the people who just feel like jumping to conclusions instead of reading the article. 😉 I know, I know, it's long (with the picture it took up more than a complete page in the local paper).

DOH! That is what I get for skimming. Sounds quite ambitious. Why do you need an RnD park if you already know how much it will cost to build the real thing😉

 

[zippy]

DOH! That is what I get for skimming. Sounds quite ambitious. Why do you need an RnD park if you already know how much it will cost to build the real thing😉

The R&D park is for many companies to come to one place to work on their individual projects. Not necessarily in support of the mall, but as a place for new technologies to be born and grow. It is a separate entity from the mall, with connections. For example, the article mentions that if it gets approved, all of the companies providing Green technologies for the mall will have to have a place in the Tech Park and produce all of the things for the mall there as well, not to mention, have public tours of the facilities (req for all companies in the park) to promote public interest and support.

It definitely is quite ambitious. 🙂 With Pyramid's political clout around here it certainly also has the chance to be approved. Not to mention, I got the impression from Congel's quotes (Pyramid owner) that he has contacted numerous companies that are interested already.