Oh My...the TSX is JUST GEORGEOUS!

[RichieZ]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RichieZ
costs too much for too little, its what 26.9 base, I'd pay some more and get the Lexus IS w/ the inline six instead of hondas anemic 4 cylinder.

I've read its based on the midsize honda platform, what do the euro accords look like?

this "anemic 4 cyl" is one of ward's 10 best engines for 2003. May I ask if you've ever driven one?

No I haven't, but I've driven the TL Type-S and I don't image the 4cyl being any better than that.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RichieZ
costs too much for too little, its what 26.9 base, I'd pay some more and get the Lexus IS w/ the inline six instead of hondas anemic 4 cylinder.

I've read its based on the midsize honda platform, what do the euro accords look like?

this "anemic 4 cyl" is one of ward's 10 best engines for 2003. May I ask if you've ever driven one?

I'd still rather have an inline-6 or V6 for the same money (or even a bit more).

For $27,000+, I expect at LEAST a 6 in a luxury/sport sedan.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RichieZ costs too much for too little, its what 26.9 base, I'd pay some more and get the Lexus IS w/ the inline six instead of hondas anemic 4 cylinder. I've read its based on the midsize honda platform, what do the euro accords look like?

this "anemic 4 cyl" is one of ward's 10 best engines for 2003. May I ask if you've ever driven one?

I agree - 200HP from a 4 cylinder is fvcking great

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: NFS4
If I wanted a small sporty Japanese luxury sedan, why would I buy a meager FWD rebadged European market Accord?

Gimme a RWD IS300 5-speed or a G35 Sport 6-speed.

Heck I priced out an IS300 5-speed yesterday with leather and sport package for under $30,000.

The IS300 is more on the sporty side of things. I think this car (TSX) is really targeted towards people who want a practical yet luxorious small 4-dr car. It's got plenty of pep to it and a nice interior. The IS300 feels a lot smaller inside- which isn't a problem for me- but for the everyday joe looking to drive to work he might want a little more room inside. I think it fits a niche market pretty nicely- a bit on the boring side of things, but overall a clean layout. It will sell well, just watch.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: RichieZ

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RichieZ costs too much for too little, its what 26.9 base, I'd pay some more and get the Lexus IS w/ the inline six instead of hondas anemic 4 cylinder. I've read its based on the midsize honda platform, what do the euro accords look like?

this "anemic 4 cyl" is one of ward's 10 best engines for 2003. May I ask if you've ever driven one?

No I haven't, but I've driven the TL Type-S and I don't image the 4cyl being any better than that.

Dude, you're compairing apples and oranges now.

 

[RichieZ]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RichieZ costs too much for too little, its what 26.9 base, I'd pay some more and get the Lexus IS w/ the inline six instead of hondas anemic 4 cylinder. I've read its based on the midsize honda platform, what do the euro accords look like?

this "anemic 4 cyl" is one of ward's 10 best engines for 2003. May I ask if you've ever driven one?

I agree - 200HP from a 4 cylinder is fvcking great

Ok I was unware of that fact, I retract my anemic statement. But like NFS4 says I expect more luxury from a $27K car.

Whats ths powerband like, specs say 200 hp @ 6800 rpm, I don't want to have to rev it that high to make power.

 

[RichieZ]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: RichieZ

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RichieZ costs too much for too little, its what 26.9 base, I'd pay some more and get the Lexus IS w/ the inline six instead of hondas anemic 4 cylinder. I've read its based on the midsize honda platform, what do the euro accords look like?

this "anemic 4 cyl" is one of ward's 10 best engines for 2003. May I ask if you've ever driven one?

No I haven't, but I've driven the TL Type-S and I don't image the 4cyl being any better than that.

Dude, you're compairing apples and oranges now.

I'll compare apples to oranges like apples to PC's all i want!

 

[m2kewl]

i'd get it if it came in a v6

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: RichieZ

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RichieZ costs too much for too little, its what 26.9 base, I'd pay some more and get the Lexus IS w/ the inline six instead of hondas anemic 4 cylinder. I've read its based on the midsize honda platform, what do the euro accords look like?

this "anemic 4 cyl" is one of ward's 10 best engines for 2003. May I ask if you've ever driven one?

I agree - 200HP from a 4 cylinder is fvcking great

Ok I was unware of that fact, I retract my anemic statement. But like NFS4 says I expect more luxury from a $27K car. Whats ths powerband like, specs say 200 hp @ 6800 rpm, I don't want to have to rev it that high to make power.

http://www.clubtsx.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2649

Look at the torque curve - it's pretty consistant throughout the whole powerband.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: RichieZ
costs too much for too little, its what 26.9 base, I'd pay some more and get the Lexus IS w/ the inline six instead of hondas anemic 4 cylinder.

I've read its based on the midsize honda platform, what do the euro accords look like?

this "anemic 4 cyl" is one of ward's 10 best engines for 2003. May I ask if you've ever driven one?

I'd still rather have an inline-6 or V6 for the same money (or even a bit more).

For $27,000+, I expect at LEAST a 6 in a luxury/sport sedan.

Ok, let's look at the rest of the contenders in the market..
BMW 3-Series, Audi A4, Mercedes-Benz C240, Lexus IS300, Saab 9-3 or VW Passat
We're already making more HP than the BMW 325i, 1.8T, and C240.
I can see why you'd want an IS300- more on the sporty side of things- but for the every day Joe going to work, sometimes in snow, how fun is RWD?

 

[Ryan]

Acura will never make a TSX with a 6. It would compromise the handling of the car, and cut sales of the all new TL that's going to be released soon.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: m2kewl
i'd get it if it came in a v6

See, to a common buyer, V6 is always > than 4-cyl. This 4-cyl makes a really great amount of power. We're talking about a sporty fun to drive engine. Why throw a V6 in there to throw off the weight distrubition of this car and destroy the MPG?

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Acura will never make a TSX with a 6. It would compromise the handling of the car, and cut sales of the all new TL that's going to be released soon.

yes, and there is no need for a 6 in a car this small.

 

[iamwiz82]

please post some dynos of both the V6 and the I4 Honda has. That will quickly tell us which is better. I'd venture to guess that the I4 is completely torqueless and must be revved to holy hell to get that 200HP.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
please post some dynos of both the V6 and the I4 Honda has. That will quickly tell us which is better. I'd venture to guess that the I4 is completely torqueless and must be revved to holy hell to get that 200HP.

Please read my post above, because it does have a dyno of the TSXs engine. No, it's not a torqueless wonder either. There is no argument as to which engine is better (any dumbass can figure that out), the argument is whether it is needed in this car. The answer is no. If a customer needs a 6, they'll go with the TL. The TSX has been designed for a 4 cylinder engine, a V6 would just fvck up the handling of the car.

 

[Joony]

TSX is a beautiful car! I'd get it right now if I had the cash

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
350z plz kthx. You can fit 4 people in a 350z.

I have a 350Z, and you're on crack.

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis 350z plz kthx. You can fit 4 people in a 350z.

I have a 350Z, and you're on crack.

own3d!

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: Cfour

Originally posted by: Swanny
I don't really like it. But I'm not sure why...

Maybe because you just don't like overpriced, underpowered sedans that look like an accord that costs $4000 less?

Interior = sw33t though.

haha.

http://www.autoweek.com/search/search_display.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carboard&content_code=02414815&Search_Type=STD&Search_ID=1254330&record=1

overpriced? "For $29K, this car is a hell of a bargain for what you get"
underpowered? "Power felt like plenty (keep the revs above 3K), the engine is smooth, smooth, smooth and the gearbox is typical Honda slick"
looks like an accord? You need some glasses my friend.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
please post some dynos of both the V6 and the I4 Honda has. That will quickly tell us which is better. I'd venture to guess that the I4 is completely torqueless and must be revved to holy hell to get that 200HP.

please post some CT scans of both your brain and the rest of ours who actually know what we're talking about. Your guess is..hmm..dead wrong?

 

[Bullhonkie]

I like the TSX in general. While it's not a car that I'd personally buy, I do see what they are aiming for and I think it slots in pretty well between the RSX and TL. I think it could stand to be a grand or two cheaper but that might lend to too much cannibalizing of Accord sales.

 

[CraigRT]

Looks like a overgrown Protege... the original pics I remember seeing made the car look alot better.... that thing just looks plain...

as always nice interior though.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
please post some dynos of both the V6 and the I4 Honda has. That will quickly tell us which is better. I'd venture to guess that the I4 is completely torqueless and must be revved to holy hell to get that 200HP.

Please read my post above, because it does have a dyno of the TSXs engine. No, it's not a torqueless wonder either. There is no argument as to which engine is better (any dumbass can figure that out), the argument is whether it is needed in this car. The answer is no. If a customer needs a 6, they'll go with the TL. The TSX has been designed for a 4 cylinder engine, a V6 would just fvck up the handling of the car.

i'd call 150lbft of torque gutless, but that is just me.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: CraigRT
Looks like a overgrown Protege... the original pics I remember seeing made the car look alot better.... that thing just looks plain... as always nice interior though.

Yea, until you get un close an realize that it's not an econobox. In original pictures?!?!? The TSX has ALWAYS looked the same.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
please post some dynos of both the V6 and the I4 Honda has. That will quickly tell us which is better. I'd venture to guess that the I4 is completely torqueless and must be revved to holy hell to get that 200HP.

Please read my post above, because it does have a dyno of the TSXs engine. No, it's not a torqueless wonder either. There is no argument as to which engine is better (any dumbass can figure that out), the argument is whether it is needed in this car. The answer is no. If a customer needs a 6, they'll go with the TL. The TSX has been designed for a 4 cylinder engine, a V6 would just fvck up the handling of the car.

i'd call 150lbft of torque gutless, but that is just me.

actually it's 166 lb/ft. And yes that 16 lb/ft makes a big difference in a car this small