OH MY GAWD. Bill Clinton is really doing it...

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
I remember before the convention people were floating idiotic ideas like Hillary was somehow going to revolt at the DNC and it was going to be chaos. I can't believe anyone actually considered that as even the most remote possibility.

No shit, he wouldn't have any legacy if he did. I've heard the democrats will eat their own, alive. :evil:

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Vic
Actually, you are wrong. In the case of impeachment of the POTUS, the Senate IS a criminal court. A President can only be impeached if he has broken the law.
Article 2 Section 4 of the Constitution specifically states "Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and misdemeanors."

Nice try, but if Clinton had been impeached would he had gone to jail or just been removed from office??

From article 1

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

They don't determine whether a real crime has been committed, but whether the President should be removed from office.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: QED
This might all arguments over semantics, but you are wrong.

An impeachment hearing is not a criminal trial. The Senators do not vote "Guilty" or "Not Guilty", as jurors would in a criminal trial-- and the arguments at the hearing are more often about what constitutes a serious enough offense to warrant impeachment than they are over any factual evidence indicating a level of guilt for a particular alleged crime.

To say the Clinton was found "not guilty" by the Senate in his impeachment trial is laughable at best, and displays an apparent ignorance about what impeachment actually is and why it is used.

Uh... yes, they do and yes, he was. Text

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Vic
Actually, you are wrong. In the case of impeachment of the POTUS, the Senate IS a criminal court. A President can only be impeached if he has broken the law.
Article 2 Section 4 of the Constitution specifically states "Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and misdemeanors."

Nice try, but if Clinton had been impeached would he had gone to jail or just been removed from office??

From article 1

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

They don't determine whether a real crime has been committed, but whether the President should be removed from office.

No... you're reading that wrong. They don't determine sentencing beyond removal of office. That goes to the SCOTUS (although it's never happened).

 

[fallout man]

meow

 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Bush actually does have some political savvy. No more or less than Clinton. His public speaking skills suck though. That's the only real difference.

rofl. You're dumb as a stump if you truly believe this.

Nah. Pople like you and Jhhnn are just transfixed by someone who can put a few words together. It's no secret that you guys, and a few others in here, drink the rhtetoric like it's Jim Jones serrving Kool-Aid. When someone like Obama comes along you are totally transfixed. Thankfully you are minority representatives of his support because the moderates like me will be voting for him in addition to you two.

I'm not voting for Obama kid. And frankly, it's sad you vote at all.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Bush actually does have some political savvy. No more or less than Clinton. His public speaking skills suck though. That's the only real difference.

rofl. You're dumb as a stump if you truly believe this.

Nah. Pople like you and Jhhnn are just transfixed by someone who can put a few words together. It's no secret that you guys, and a few others in here, drink the rhtetoric like it's Jim Jones serrving Kool-Aid. When someone like Obama comes along you are totally transfixed. Thankfully you are minority representatives of his support because the moderates like me will be voting for him in addition to you two.

I'm not voting for Obama kid. And frankly, it's sad you vote at all.

Everyone should vote. The alternative (even through 'mere' apathy) is to support tyranny. This sh!t don't create itself, guy.

 

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Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Bush actually does have some political savvy. No more or less than Clinton. His public speaking skills suck though. That's the only real difference.

rofl. You're dumb as a stump if you truly believe this.

Nah. Pople like you and Jhhnn are just transfixed by someone who can put a few words together. It's no secret that you guys, and a few others in here, drink the rhtetoric like it's Jim Jones serrving Kool-Aid. When someone like Obama comes along you are totally transfixed. Thankfully you are minority representatives of his support because the moderates like me will be voting for him in addition to you two.

I'm not voting for Obama kid. And frankly, it's sad you vote at all.

Everyone should vote. The alternative (even through 'mere' apathy) is to support tyranny. This sh!t don't create itself, guy.

Everyone should vote....just not TLC.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Corbett
What you didnt see was the 20 year old intern on her knees behind the podium during Clinton's speech tonight.

Most american men would love to get a blowjob from a 20 year old intern, they are just too pussified to actually go through with it.

 

[Juddog]

Good speech, just got through listening to the whole thing.

 

[RightIsWrong]

First things first....

Complete video of Bill Clinton's speech (pretty good quality as well)


Now, to the important stuff.

TLC is correct. Bush is a horrendous public speaker but a damn fine politician. He has been able to play the game well enough to get out of the way of those that are smarter than him so that they could get him elected to the highest office in the most powerful country in the world. That takes some political savvy to know when to STFU and just get out of the way no matter how much people want to deny it.

I truly believe that he is being fed most of his policy opinions (I'm sure that his personal beliefs about religion and other topics are genuine) but he still is the person that is having to sell them to others and he was able to do that.

Now, ProfJohn, Bush actually has been arrested for and found guilty of crimes on a few different occasions.

On the OT, Bill did a hell of a job selling Barack and did what he does best, made people believe that he believes what he was saying even though most of it was bullshit cause he wanted Hillary there instead.

 

[Infohawk]

Bill's speech was best in show IMO. Bill is the man.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Spin it any way you want, TLC. The real difference between Clinton and Bush is that Billy-bob delivered what he promised, for the most part, even with a hostile congress, and that Georgie didn't, even with congress in the palm of his hand...
In the wake of 9/11, Bushco exploited the politics of Bullying and Fear adroitly, for sure. Problem is, it leaves a bitter and persistent aftertaste...
For a guy you claim is politically savvy, approval ratings hovering around 30% tell a different story. Clinton's never fell so low...

Consider that perhaps President Clinton may have delivered because of a Republican Congress holding him in check. How different do you think things would have turned out if W had faced a strong Democratic Congress for 8 years, rather than the Republican enablers he had?

How different do you think things would be if pigs had wings? Would they fly?

Nah. Pople like you and Jhhnn are just transfixed by someone who can put a few words together. It's no secret that you guys, and a few others in here, drink the rhtetoric like it's Jim Jones serrving Kool-Aid. When someone like Obama comes along you are totally transfixed. Thankfully you are minority representatives of his support because the moderates like me will be voting for him in addition to you two.

I love it when you resort to personal attack, TLC- it means you know you're beaten, dead wrong, as with the platitude about GWB's "political savvy".

Looks like it's... the wahmbulance for you, one more time-

http://wahmbulance.ytmnd.com/