Oh my - 270,000 registry keys under my Windows XP installation

[T2T III]

I just downloaded AA Software's registry cleaner software. The scanning process detected over 270,000 registry keys for my Windows XP installation. Out of those 270,000, about 350 were considered *invalid*, so I backed them up and then removed them. Does anyone else have this many registry keys? Or more?

 

[sean2002]

What do you expect, I heard the XP has something like 10,000,000 lines of code.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: sean2002
What do you expect, I heard the XP has something like 10,000,000 lines of code.

:Q

 

[CTho9305]

50 million lines.

and my answer to your poll would be "Sometimes, but a lot of the features are cool, or can be removed. Mac OS X.2 has a LOT of stuff in it too, and linux can be as bloated as you want" (as in, between yes and no)

 

[rogue1979]

That's why you need 512MB of RAM. Microshaft tells you that Windows XP handles more memory than 98, but that's their bullcrap to hide the fact that XP is bloated memory hog. I haven't found a program or game yet that has compromised performance with WIN 98 and 256MB of DDR. Even if you do a big auto-cad program that needs more, if you have 512MB with WIN 98 it will still be utilized. I hate microshaft, but like the rest of us I am forced to use it to play games. I have never payed for it and never will. I just bought a Mandrake 8.2 three CD set for $5 shipped. I plan to use linux for all desktop duties and internet stuff. Windows 98 will be kept for gaming. I figure by the time WIN 98 no longer supports modern gaming, Linux will finally be ready to take over all gaming duties. Bill Gates is a crooked b!tch and will never get a penny from me (not that he needs it!). If the general public ever knew all the crappy things Bill Gates did to stop all other OS choices maybe they would quit taking the easy way with microshaft. We would have an option of 3 or more viable operating systems at a very reasonable, competitive price. Bill Gates has taken this choice away from us, what gives him the right? He is a little geeky pussy that all the money and power in the world couldn't fix if he ever stood in front of my face.

 

[Nothinman]

Microshaft tells you that Windows XP handles more memory than 98, but that's their bullcrap to hide the fact that XP is bloated memory hog.

If you can call what 98 does as 'handling memory', I know I'd consider it borderline. XP supports up to 64G with the right version of software and hardware, try to get Win98 to do that.

XP can be trimmed down to run well on 128M or 256M, it just takes some work.

Even if you do a big auto-cad program that needs more, if you have 512MB with WIN 98 it will still be utilized.

But what about when you start working on drawings that need 1 - 2G of memory?

I hate microshaft, but like the rest of us I am forced to use it to play games.

You can afford a decent PC but you can't afford a PS2 or XBox?

I have never payed for it and never will

Let me guess, you're 14?

 

[rogue1979]

I am 41 years old for your information. My kids have PS2, Nintendo 64 and Sega Dreamcast. I find most PC games much more challenging and intense. I guess people still using the 815EP chipset have a big need for 64GB since the motherboard (as well as a few others) only supports 512MB. In all the stuff I do or most people for that matter, using Win XP is only helping out your buddy Bill Gates. There are a few people that actually need microshaft's later OS systems and they are justified to pay Microsoft (even though Bill Gates' crooked monopoly makes sure it is way too much). For the rest of the world, they are falling right into the microshaft plan. I don't know about you, but when illegal actions of others limits my choices, I am not real happy about it. I am just smart enough to make sure since I do have to depend on Windows (for now), courtesy of your hero Bill Gates, I refuse to support his empire with my money. Maybe if everybody felt the same we wouldn't be stuck in the Windows trap.

I like your name, it sounds appropriate.:|

P.S. If you thought you were clever by checking out my system rigs, seems like you would've noticed the teenage son's, 7yr old boys and 11yr old girls. Some simple mathematics will tell you I am not 14 yrs old, maybe Win XP can calculate that for you!

 

[Nothinman]

I am 41 years old for your information.

Guess you never got over the "F' the man" syndrom from the hippie years, eh.

I guess people still using the 815EP chipset have a big need for 64GB since the motherboard (as well as a few others) only supports 512MB

I seem to remember typing with the right hardware.

I don't know about you, but when illegal actions of others limits my choices, I am not real happy about it.

I never said I liked Microsoft, but that doesn't mean I resort to being a thief in a poor attempt to screw them over.

Maybe if everybody felt the same we wouldn't be stuck in the Windows trap.

The problem is just the opposite, people pirate Windows and MS doesn't really care (until recently, and even now WPA is just an attempt to foil the less technical pirates) because it means more boxes running Windows and more marketshare. Whether they get money for a license from you or not is small potatoes.

 

[smp]

The problem is just the opposite, people pirate Windows and MS doesn't really care (until recently, and even now WPA is just an attempt to foil the less technical pirates) because it means more boxes running Windows and more marketshare. Whether they get money for a license from you or not is small potatoes.


Exactly!
I hate microsoft as much as the next guy (maybe even as much as you) but seriously, it's not as simple a scenario as you think. If you really want to screw microsoft you're just going to have to blow something up, because whether you use their OS or not, or whether you pay for it or not just doesn't matter.

edit: or actually helps them as is the case of pirating M$ for home use.

 

[spyordie007]

Getting back to the origional post, I agree 100% that Win. XP is a very big "hog". It can, however, be configured to be a good and useful OS. On a clean install of XP Pro I managed to have it use less than 80 MB of RAM on boot, as compared to Win 98 that is a major memory hog. Win XP however has much more capabilities that Win 98 simply does not have, besides considering that I dont run a system (with the exception of crashboxes) that have less than 512 MB of RAM 80 for the OS isnt exactly a big deal.

-Spy

 

[smp]

WinXP > Win98 (far as I'm conerned) simply cause of it's networking capabilities and stability.
Win2K > WinXP (far as I'm concerned) simply cause it has everything that XP has minus the XPness

 

[spyordie007]

Originally posted by: smp
Win2K > WinXP (far as I'm concerned) simply cause it has everything that XP has minus the XPness

Minus the compatibilities too. Plus it boots faster, has much better PNP support, etc.
On the other hand not all the win 2k AD admin tools work under XP which is a major PITA for me. I use terminal services to get around it, but it's still friggin annoying to have to log into the box just to reset someone's password...

-Spy

 

[smp]

What is pnp?
I want to learn more about this .. windows everyone is talking aboot

 

[spyordie007]

Take off 'eh! Hoser.

Hey terrance let's look for treasure!

 

[rogue1979]

Yeah, your right, I guess I really want to "F the man". But for me that is a much better choice than supporting the rip off. I never said Win 98 was better than XP. Just most of the improvements are something the average user will never need, I don't. Microsoft spent years getting everyone Windows dependant and it is working. Like sheep we flock to the newest microshaft OS and pay a ridiculous fee. I can't say for sure because I am just getting Linux going, but other than lack of compatibility for gaming and other standardized microsoft programs, Linux has some very good performance/features to match XP. Multiple processor support, networking and memory management just to name a few. It will probably take more time than most of us want, but when Lindows or something similar for Linux breaks the compatibility barrier and starts delivering, alot of people will not hesitate to drop microshaft. Even if they don't, wouldn't it be nice to have a legitimate choice instead of having Bill Gates stand in court and say he knows what is best for us?

 

[Nothinman]

I think porches are too expensive and a big rip off, but you don't see me stealing one in a pitifull effort to show porche that they should lower their prices.

Just most of the improvements are something the average user will never need

You mean the improvements like:

1) Being able to install devices without rebooting
2) Being able to change system settings without rebooting
3) When you do reboot it boots in like 15s (MS just shifted the load time around, but many people like the deception)
4) When one app crashes there's no chance of it taking down the system

but when Lindows or something similar for Linux breaks the compatibility barrier and starts delivering, alot of people will not hesitate to drop microshaft.

Just like with OS/2 which ran Win16 apps better than Win311 and was a better OS all around?

 

[Sunner]

It's spelled Porsche, and they're not that expensive compared to other comparable cars IMO, but aside from that, I agree with you

 

[rogue1979]

You spelled pitiful wrong too! And the average user is not like most of the people on this forum. They don't change devices and when they do they have someone do it for them. Maybe you should configure your OS or computer hardware better, because I rarely get a crash, and when I do I usually close that app and keep going. I didn't "steal" anything, don't judge people by your own standards. I have a several copies of Win 98 and SE that were burned for me, I simply took advantage of it. Maybe it is legally wrong, or piracy, but not theft by any means. One point I would like to make about our argument. According to your system rigs you aren't even using Window XP. Also you picked Win2K for gaming on your main rig, what's up with that brilliant choice? If Linux can't hold a candle to Win XP then why do you have it installed on every one of your rigs instead of Windows XP? Hypocritical people definately need to mind their own business.

I posted in this thread my opinion about Win XP being bloated and a memory hog. I also took some shots at Bill Gates and Microsoft. You have called me a 14 year old and a thief. Get a life and find another way to occupy your time instead of 10 posts a day that aren't very constructive. I am going to gracefully exit this thread before it results in any more name calling. You mentioned a few good points about Windows XP, but that still doesn't change the fact that it is bloated and a memory hog, and Bill Gates and microshaft's unscrupulous business practices have hurt all of us.

P.S. I agree with Sunner, a Porsche is well worth the money. But if some people don't think so, they have the choice to buy many cars at much lower prices that will be compatible with all basic transportation needs. On the other hand, Bill Gates made sure that their is only one choice we have that is fully compatible for all of our basic computer needs (includes gaming for me).

 

[Sunner]

Just cause you think it sucks doesn't justify stealing it.

I do agree though, copying software is nowhere near stealing a car, and I can't fathom why so many people make that comparison as soon as this topic comes up.

I don't judge people, nor do I pretend to be better than anyone else, I'll admit that I've got a few pieces of software I haven't paid for even though I should, but Im not trying to justify it by saying the software isn't good, or it's too expensive or anything, I don't try to justify it at all in fact, Im just not denying it either, unlike most people, if you did a poll here I bet over 50% would answer that they don't pirate software, while I bet in reality, 95% do, and of thos 5% that don't I bet more than a few are people running Linux/BSD full time.

Just say "I pirate Windows cause I dont feel like paying for it, and that's that", it sounds so much more honest

 

[Nothinman]

t's spelled Porsche, and they're not that expensive compared to other comparable cars IMO, but aside from that, I agree with you

I knew it looked wrong, but couldn't figure out why =)

They don't change devices and when they do they have someone do it for them.

Right, more like they try to change devices until they get the box to stop booting then get someone to clean up their mess.

Maybe you should configure your OS or computer hardware better, because I rarely get a crash, and when I do I usually close that app and keep going.

I never said I had problems with apps crashing, but the fact of the matter is that Win9x VM system is terrible and it's very possible, and it does happen, that a userland app can scribble all over random memory contents.

I didn't "steal" anything, don't judge people by your own standards.

According to the law you did, if you have a problem with the law get it changed the proper way.

According to your system rigs you aren't even using Window XP

I never said I was. I have a laptop that used to run XP, but little things about the interface bothered me so it's running Win2K now.

Also you picked Win2K for gaming on your main rig, what's up with that brilliant choice?

My 'gaming rig' runs Q3 and that's it, sometimes an odd game that came out that I want to try but that's it. And the only reason I use Win2K is because the voice comm software I use doesn't have Linux client binaries.

If Linux can't hold a candle to Win XP then why do you have it installed on every one of your rigs instead of Windows XP?

I have it installed because I prefer it to Windows any version. But when I see someone spewing sh!t about an OS I try to correct them and hopefully stop the spread of misinformation and FUD.

And if you look only 2 of my rigs are x86 boxes, I'd have a hard time putting Windows on an UltraSparc.

You have called me a 14 year old and a thief.

From that post I'm sure others will agreed that's the image you give off.

On the other hand, Bill Gates made sure that their is only one choice we have that is fully compatible for all of our basic computer needs (includes gaming for me).

Gaming is not a basic computer need for anyone, especially for someone with multiple game consoles.

I do agree though, copying software is nowhere near stealing a car, and I can't fathom why so many people make that comparison as soon as this topic comes up.

It's hard to come with a valid comparison. How about I hold a gun to your head and force you to paint my house, I never stole anything from you so there's no problem right?

 

[Sunner]

It's hard to come with a valid comparison. How about I hold a gun to your head and force you to paint my house, I never stole anything from you so there's no problem right?

Saying you'll pay me $100 to paint your house, and then when Im done, you don't pay me, that would be more like it.
Actually I think that's a fairly good comparison

Anyways, did I say it was OK?
No I merely said most people(including me) steal software, some steal everything they use, some steal stuff they can't afford(I have a disc with Maya, no way I could spend that kind of money on Maya), and some people just do it simply cause their friend made them a copy and they see it as "Why not".

None is an excuse, they're merely explainations, what bothers me is that so many people either flat out deny it and give the Holier than thou attitude to those who don't, or do other similar things(download mp3's, etc, heck driving too fast is a crime as well), and then give the HTT attitude.

 

[spyordie007]

Saying you'll pay me $100 to paint your house, and then when Im done, you don't pay me, that would be more like it.
Actually I think that's a fairly good comparison

I think that might be the best anaolgy to pirating software that I've ever heard. Let me paint you a picture:

You live in a small town and there is only one local contractor who will paint houses. You need your house painted so you have 2 options, either pay him $300 to do it (instert any dollar amout here), or paint it yourself (create your own distro of linux). The problem is that you own an enourmous house and you want it painted both inside and out, you also want to make sure it is consistant with the other houses in your neighborhood so they have a similar look (application compatibility). You want him to paint your house, but you dont want to pay the money so you choose the 3rd option. He paints your house and you pay him nothing. That is just like software piracy.

-Spy

 

[netjunkie]

Thats the best analogy yet, but I think you guys missed rogue's point. That one and only contractor is a jerk. There was other competition in that small town but "the jerk" used illegal and immoral tactics to get rid of them. Now his reputation in this small town is garbage and he has made many enemies. Lots of people are standing in line to take a shot at him. People are held responsible for their actions sooner or later, "the jerk" gets what he deserves. Everybody in that small town that needs painting done and cannot paint themselves are forced to use him and this just gives them more reason to hate "the jerk". Right or wrong, there are a lot of old fashioned people that still believe in an "eye for an eye". Everybody can play the "holier than thou" attitiude, but ask yourself this:

If you were walking down the street with your wife or mother and a complete stranger called them a whore and spit in their face, what would you do?

a) call the authorities and go through the proper channels, knowing well that he will be long gone and escape any retribution from the law.
b) grab his scrawny neck and clean his clock, get in your car and simply drive away.

Piracy is not legal by any means, but it is still not the same as common theft. In Microsofts case, they reap what they have sown.

 

[drag]

we all know microsoft sucks. winXP is a memory hog and a inferiorer in performance to w2k of win98 on the same hardware. In order to get XP benifits it is nessecary to upgrade you hardware. (plus it is a pain in the ass to use anyways)


If you don't like XP then why don't you go with Linux. Its a bit of a culture shock to switch over to be sure, however it is a much more straight forward OS. It makes much more sense to deal with a bunch of text files in /etc folder for your configuration needs than deal with the 27,000 or so wreched hexadecible entrys! Plus as far as a VM managment, multiuser support, server ability, price, multitasking, stability, and networking capabilities Microsoft still can't hold a candle to Linux (or any other *nix, for that matter)!

If its games you like, just stick with the PS/2 or gamecube. Don't worry, in a couple years specialised gaming computers will surpass the PC for entertainment purposes anyways. If you need a more 'intellectual' challenge, treat your computer like a game, learn how to program and learn how to create things and contibute to a online community, instead of spending time struggling around Microsoft's weak points or learning howto steal (borrow) software.

If that still doesn't light your candle. Try going dual boot with Linux and Win98. As long as you only use the WIn98 for gaming and only run one program at a time then it is a fine performer, and you won't need to habitually upgrade your hardware every 6 six months or so when your resources begin to fill up.

Now if that doesn't do it for you. Save up your money and go with Mac's. They have decent gaming support and are speedy.

Instead of try to shaft microshaft, by using it's software. All you are doing is supporting Bill Gates, even if you are not paying for it. Internet companies, gaming and hardware companies have limited resources when it comes to R&D. If the majority of people are using Windows even if they are not paying for it, those companies will spend money taloring their products to fit the demographic, and therefore supporting Bill Gates and his minons for free.

You can't compain about Microsoft's unfair business practices when you are profitting from them!!!!

 

[RVN]

I noticed that a clean install is reported by jvPower Tools to be about 90,000. After a couple weeks or months this grows and I'm wondering if it's not picking up the backed up registries as well.

That's my theory.