Oh man, this is gonna be good: Texas father shoots boy, 17, to death in daughters rm

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ch33zw1z

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Sad situation.

1. girl is a liar
2. It appears the father was within his rights, but I conclude he's a trigger happy gun owner
3. If the father's charged with anything (very very doubtful), the girl should be charged with it too. Her lies brought this situation about.

Bad shoot IMO. (Bad or Good doesn't directly coorelate to Legal or Illegal)
 
Jaskalas

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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surfsatwerk said:
Amen, if some girl's dad shot at me every time I tried to get laid in high school... I'd probably be as dead as this poor kid.
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If getting laid involves sneaking around like a home invader, getting shot is a definite possibility. Especially after your sweetheart denies knowing you.
 
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crownjules

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Common sense would have been for the father to see through his daughter's obvious lie made so she didn't get in trouble. Then he could have told the kid to leave, there never would have been a call to the cops for the boy to protest ("She knows me, sir! Don't call the cops!"), and there would never have been the situation for the father to "interpret" the boy reaching for a weapon.

The girl must have been fearful to tell such a bold faced lie and stick to it when getting caught red-handed.
 
blake0812

blake0812

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crownjules said:
Common sense would have been for the father to see through his daughter's obvious lie made so she didn't get in trouble. Then he could have told the kid to leave, there never would have been a call to the cops for the boy to protest ("She knows me, sir! Don't call the cops!"), and there would never have been the situation for the father to "interpret" the boy reaching for a weapon.

The girl must have been fearful to tell such a bold faced lie and stick to it when getting caught red-handed.
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Or maybe he shot him because she saw through her to make her feel guilty?

That's some Twilight Zone shit right there.
 
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shadow9d9

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Jaskalas said:
If getting laid involves sneaking around like a home invader, getting shot is a definite possibility. Especially after your sweetheart denies knowing you.
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Home invaders don't go under beds while the family is at home. Don't be absurd.
 
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Insomniator

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Oct 23, 2002
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Trigger happy father but its not so black and white. 'Intruder' in your teen daughters bedroom... lots of parents would just see red.

Probably didn't need to shoot the kid in the head though.
 
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CLite

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Dec 6, 2005
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Overbearing father shoots boyfriend in a rage. However, it's not even worth investigating because the father simply said "I saw him make a move". So stupid.

Spidey07 said:
That is what the father believed and what any reasonable person would believe. No weapon is necessary, no moves are necessary. Shoot.
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Yikes.
 
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smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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CLite said:
Overbearing father shoots boyfriend in a rage. However, it's not even worth investigating because the father simply said "I saw him make a move". So stupid.



Yikes.
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Except that isn't what happened. The daughter stated the man was an intruder and he then did not cooperate with the father. Under what bizarro world do some of you live in where you find an intruder in your daughters bedroom who doesn't respond to your commands is it not okay to shoot them? Do you just let them go about their business? "Oh, nobody here knows you! Keep on keepin' on though! All is well."

I really hope none of you have kids, because you have shown you will fail to protect them.
 
blake0812

blake0812

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smackababy said:
Except that isn't what happened. The daughter stated the man was an intruder and he then did not cooperate with the father. Under what bizarro world do some of you live in where you find an intruder in your daughters bedroom who doesn't respond to your commands is it not okay to shoot them? Do you just let them go about their business? "Oh, nobody here knows you! Keep on keepin' on though! All is well."

I really hope none of you have kids, because you have shown you will fail to protect them.
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Except that he wasn't going to do anything anyway, he had a gun pointed at his face, you'd think that would be enough to scare someone stiff. If I had someone point a gun in my face I'd honestly not know what to do, probably be paralyzed with fear.

Regardless, it's not okay to shoot someone if they didn't have anything on them to begin with. The man had an itchy trigger finger.
 
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spidey07

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blake0812 said:
Except that he wasn't going to do anything anyway, he had a gun pointed at his face, you'd think that would be enough to scare someone stiff. If I had someone point a gun in my face I'd honestly not know what to do, probably be paralyzed with fear.

Regardless, it's not okay to shoot someone if they didn't have anything on them to begin with. The man had an itchy trigger finger.
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It is absolutely OK to shoot someone if they don't have a weapon or they aren't a threat. This is the basis for castle doctrine.

Them being in the home as an intruder is all that is needed to lawfully shoot. By law, their presence in the home is presumed to cause death or great bodily harm. No weapon is necessary, just them being in the home, across the threshold of the dwelling. Some states also include detached buildings and porches/decks.
 
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smackababy

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Oct 30, 2008
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blake0812 said:
Except that he wasn't going to do anything anyway, he had a gun pointed at his face, you'd think that would be enough to scare someone stiff. If I had someone point a gun in my face I'd honestly not know what to do, probably be paralyzed with fear.

Regardless, it's not okay to shoot someone if they didn't have anything on them to begin with. The man had an itchy trigger finger.
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An intruder, who was claimed to be unknown by anyone in the room, already "has something on them". They are, at best, trespassing. And, the boy wasn't paralyzed by fear. He put up some kind of protest to the cops being called; at which point, the father made a decision that an unknown intruder was being non cooperative and did not want to take the chance he might be reaching for a weapon.

Again, the father acted in the best interest of his family. Had the daughter not claimed she didn't know the intruder, I doubt he would have ended up being shot.
 
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CLite

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Dec 6, 2005
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smackababy said:
Except that isn't what happened. The daughter stated the man was an intruder and he then did not cooperate with the father. Under what bizarro world do some of you live in where you find an intruder in your daughters bedroom who doesn't respond to your commands is it not okay to shoot them? Do you just let them go about their business? "Oh, nobody here knows you! Keep on keepin' on though! All is well."

I really hope none of you have kids, because you have shown you will fail to protect them.
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I have a son and you can go fuck yourself with your self-righteousness. You are blindly accepting what the father said transpired without applying any common sense. A volume of information can be inferred from body language.

If the daughter threw hysterics while pretending the guy was an intruder then I would be a lot more sympathetic towards his actions. However, the story as written involves a meek "I don't know him" followed by "he made a move". Either way I think it warrants an investigation, not a blissful no-bill simply because the guy owned the house therefore granting him execution rights.
 
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classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
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smackababy said:
Except that isn't what happened. The daughter stated the man was an intruder and he then did not cooperate with the father. Under what bizarro world do some of you live in where you find an intruder in your daughters bedroom who doesn't respond to your commands is it not okay to shoot them? Do you just let them go about their business? "Oh, nobody here knows you! Keep on keepin' on though! All is well."

I really hope none of you have kids, because you have shown you will fail to protect them.
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I speak from experience. I have two daughters, one a freshman in HS and the other in her 20s. I had a similar situation to this. This is a poor excuse for a parent. He has a teenage daughter who is damn near a full adult. The story goes, the 4 year old saw someone under the bed, the father then proceeds to get a gun first. Okay lets stop right here. The child is 4, most common sense parents would just go to the room to see what the child was talking about first. But the dad grabs a gun first, more thoughts on that in a minute.

So he gets a gun, then he walks in the room and catches the man and his daughter in the bed together. No screams or fighting heard from the daughter and the boy looks to be her age. Now no offense one look at that boy, he is a handsome fella, any father worth 2 pennies given the circumstances presented here would know DAMN WELL he didn't break in. Its absolutely boggles the mind. Now story goes she said she didn't know him, now lets say that's true. No way on earth the boy doesn't say wtf and starts giving his version.

Now here is what I speculate what really happened. When the 4 year old said someone was under the bed, the father knew who it was. He knew about the boyfriend and he probably warned him to stay away from his daughter. That's why he went and grabbed a gun first. He walked in and his daughter and this boy are having sex or getting nasty, an argument breaks out and the man shoots the kid. All speculation here, but regardless the death of this boy rests soley on the girl if this story is true as it is being told.
 
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classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
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spidey07 said:
It is absolutely OK to shoot someone if they don't have a weapon or they aren't a threat. This is the basis for castle doctrine.

Them being in the home as an intruder is all that is needed to lawfully shoot. By law, their presence in the home is presumed to cause death or great bodily harm. No weapon is necessary, just them being in the home, across the threshold of the dwelling. Some states also include detached buildings and porches/decks.
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Not if they were invited in which appears to be the case. While the man is well within his right to defend his home and kill a true intruder, this clearly was not the case and father acted under very poor judgement here.
 
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