Oh hell yeah

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: FoBoT
and bankrupting the telecoms benefits us, how?

Means that breaking the law still brings a price along with it.

Unfortunately it is the customers who will suffer as they are left with no service when the company collapses. It would in no way shape or form benefit the economy if AT&T collapsed.

Their assets would be bought by another company if they were to go bankrupt, and that company would continue the service. Not the end of the world.

 

[MadRat]

It's time for the government to assume control over all teleco's again. They obviously don't know the ethics of wiretapping...

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: MadRat
It's time for the government to assume control over all teleco's again. They obviously don't know the ethics of wiretapping...

Why cause the government has ethics?

 

[MadRat]

It's a spin on how the teleco's acted improperly and should have never allowed the government access; the government needs to protect us from these teleco creeps.

 

[Lemon law]

The real question is not just with the laws themselves, the question is a who done it and who should pay.

Basically, these telco's are huge publically held corporations run by a small number of people, either elective or appointed. And what it boils down to is that one person at the top, " The CEO", or what ever the title, decided
YES on the go along with the government and wiretap EVERYONE when their own legal departments said NO.

And when the CEO violates the law, we punish not the CEO who willfully violated the law and instead seek to collectively punish the stockholders for failing to be psychic enough to see the poobah elected at the stockholders meeting was morally bankrupt. And for that one act of not being shareholder psychic, we make their shareholder investment in the company worthless?

How screwed up is that LAW?

This should be a CRIMINAL matter because they stole from a public trust. We should be seeing the board of directors and the CEO frog marched out in chains and manacles. And an immediate inquest held with one or more people who done the crime doing the time. With the Clear mandate SOMEONE(s) is going the jail for at least 10 years. And then civil laws fining the people responsible should also apply.
apply.

 

[Vette73]

Write here to say you do NOT want phone companies to get a free pass.


Also find out who your congress person is and write them as well. Its disgusting that a company can spend a few million dollars and get a get out of jail card.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: ahurtt

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: FoBoT
and bankrupting the telecoms benefits us, how?

Means that breaking the law still brings a price along with it.

Unfortunately it is the customers who will suffer as they are left with no service when the company collapses. It would in no way shape or form benefit the economy if AT&T collapsed.

So take those directly involved and throw them behind bars. Fvck them.

This immunity thing is bogus. I wonder if this country will ever realize that the lobbyists bought votes with more power than their pathetic vote on election day is ever worth.

How many people have been jailed for regulatory offenses or civil infractions?

 

[FoBoT]

if the executives broke a law, that should be a criminal charge against the executive, not a civil fine that is ultimately paid for by shareholders/consumers

how many of you have 401(k)'s that hold telecom stocks? you think you should be penalized for these actions so that your 401(k) suffers? again, if the CEO or whoever authorized something that is criminal, then stick them in jail with the Enron execs , but don't try to cripple the whole industry through civil fines

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
if the executives broke a law, that should be a criminal charge against the executive, not a civil fine that is ultimately paid for by shareholders/consumers

Can you quote me the relevent "laws" that have been broken by both AT&T and Comcast of which the standard or typical punishment would be jail time? I'm curious whether any criminal laws have actually been committed. I get the feeling the only laws committed were civil in nature, possibly regulatory which may call for some jail time depending upon the intent or severity of the costs of the violations, but I see no criminal intent regarding either of these crimes supposedly commited by the 2 companies noted in the OP. Negligence perhaps in AT&T's case, but I doubt any law enforcement will ask for, or a jury agree with, jail time.

 

[FoBoT]

that is my point corn, i don't understand why the law was written with civil liability for something that a person can't show damages or even that they were harmed. why write the law in such a way that could bankrupt a large corp. where such a bankruptcy would effect the whole infrastructure/ecomony of the USA

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: MadRat
It's time for the government to assume control over all teleco's again. They obviously don't know the ethics of wiretapping...

Mild sarcasm detected.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
that is my point corn, i don't understand why the law was written with civil liability for something that a person can't show damages or even that they were harmed. why write the law in such a way that could bankrupt a large corp. where such a bankruptcy would effect the whole infrastructure/ecomony of the USA

Sorry FoBoT, I must have misconstrued your comment, looks like we agree. :beer:

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The real question is not just with the laws themselves, the question is a who done it and who should pay.

Basically, these telco's are huge publically held corporations run by a small number of people, either elective or appointed. And what it boils down to is that one person at the top, " The CEO", or what ever the title, decided
YES on the go along with the government and wiretap EVERYONE when their own legal departments said NO.

And when the CEO violates the law, we punish not the CEO who willfully violated the law and instead seek to collectively punish the stockholders for failing to be psychic enough to see the poobah elected at the stockholders meeting was morally bankrupt. And for that one act of not being shareholder psychic, we make their shareholder investment in the company worthless?

How screwed up is that LAW?

This should be a CRIMINAL matter because they stole from a public trust. We should be seeing the board of directors and the CEO frog marched out in chains and manacles. And an immediate inquest held with one or more people who done the crime doing the time. With the Clear mandate SOMEONE(s) is going the jail for at least 10 years. And then civil laws fining the people responsible should also apply.
apply.

Funny how black and white your world is. There is a reason the laws broken were not criminal in nature -- because the intent of the violation was not criminal. Did AT&T profit from this error in judgement? No one "stole" anything. Sometimes negligence necessitates a criminal conviction, but I don't see it applicable in this case either. Obviously you have no concept of cruel and unusual punishment, or punishment fitting the "crime" either. Certainly hope we never rely on you looking out for the "public trust" and you would apparently fail miserably.