Oh, God... I just read through a forensics report for the 1986 Miami shootout...

[Orsorum]

Oh, god, I'm going to be sick.

Link

 

[vi edit]

What did you expect? It's a forensics report. Did you just decide that you want something different to read with your morning coffee, or was this required for a class?

 

[new2AMD]

you read that whole thing?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
What did you expect? It's a forensics report. Did you just decide that you want something different to read with your morning coffee, or was this required for a class?

It was pretty much a random decision to read it. I'm surprised I read through the whole thing.

 

[shuan24]

I dont see what so gruesome about it.

 

[Feldenak]

That shootout was turned into a rather bad movie with Michael Gross.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Prior to the shootings, the Agents, along with officers of the Metro-Dade Police Department, were conducting a mobile surveillance, attempting to locate two males believed to have committed a number of violent bank and armored car robberies. Observing a vehicle matching the description of one that had been stolen and used in previous robberies, an attempt was made to stop the car.

Yeah, playing bumper cars on a crowded road with a vehicle that is suspected to be carrying people considered armed and extremely dangerous sounds like a good idea to me. (Read reports of this fiasco some years ago.)

 

[Metalloid]

I find this whole thing hard to believe.

They shot Platt 6 times... one through the arm/chest that passed through his right lung, a second in his right thigh, a third in the foot, a fourth skimmed his back, a fifth in the forearm, and one more in the arm/chest.... then this guy runs between two cars and out in the open 25 feet across the parking lot to the car where Grogan, Dove, and Hanlon were all positioned... he sneaks up on them and shoots them all? What the heck were they all looking at while he ran/hobbled over to their car?

EDIT: Oh, and yeat that Matix guy who got shot in the head with the bullet going into his sinus just below the right eye was only knocked out. A few minutes later he got back up and started running around again.

The odds of all of these extreme variables happening at the same time must be astronomical. This must have been a very rare situation....

 

[przero]

This led to the FBI study recommending they carry larger caliber weapons than 9mm.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Metalloid
I find this whole thing hard to believe.

They shot Platt 6 times... one through the arm/chest that passed through his right lung, a second in his right thigh, a third in the foot, a fourth skimmed his back, a fifth in the forearm, and one more in the arm/chest.... then this guy runs between two cars and out in the open 25 feet across the parking lot to the car where Grogan, Dove, and Hanlon were all positioned... he sneaks up on them and shoots them all? What the heck were they all looking at while he ran/hobbled over to their car?

EDIT: Oh, and yeat that Matix guy who got shot in the head with the bullet going into his sinus just below the right eye was only knocked out. A few minutes later he got back up and started running around again.

The odds of all of these extreme variables happening at the same time must be astronomical. This must have been a very rare situation....

This is the one where they were wearing body suite armor, right?

 

[tcsenter]

I find this whole thing hard to believe.

One of the most exhaustively reviewed and re-reviewed gun battles in FBI history and you find it hard to believe?

The odds of all of these extreme variables happening at the same time must be astronomical. This must have been a very rare situation....

Not all that rare, really. When bullets encounter flesh in real life, it doesn't exit the other side leaving a gaping 4" diameter hole, propelling the subject backwards through a plate glass window, across the street, and through the plate glass window of another building, resulting in instantaneous death (presumably not from the gun shot wound but the blunt force trauma caused by going through all the windows and walls) like they do "in the movies".

Only about a third to a quarter of gun shot wounds result in death and a lesser proportion of those result in 'instant' death. People have been known to get shot multiple times and drive themselves to the emergency room.

If we're talking serious firepower like a .308 rifle, or being shot point-blank with 12ga '00' Buck, then yes the effect will be quite dramatic. But handguns are pea shooters compared to your 'standard' hunting rifle.

Edit: added content

 

[iamwiz82]

Yes. There is video out there of the entire shootout. I believe a helicopter was circling during this whole thing. The two bank robbers were way more prepared than the FBI agents, obviously. One guy was driving a car slowly while the other used it as a shield, therefore they had moving protection and couldnt get pinned down.

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Yes. There is video out there of the entire shootout. I believe a helicopter was circling during this whole thing. The two bank robbers were way more prepared than the FBI agents, obviously. One guy was driving a car slowly while the other used it as a shield, therefore they had moving protection and couldnt get pinned down.

Wrong shoot-out, wrong agency.

You're referring to the 1997 North Hollywood shoot-out between bank robbers and the Los Angeles Police.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Yes. There is video out there of the entire shootout. I believe a helicopter was circling during this whole thing. The two bank robbers were way more prepared than the FBI agents, obviously. One guy was driving a car slowly while the other used it as a shield, therefore they had moving protection and couldnt get pinned down.

Wrong shoot-out, wrong agency.

You're referring to the LA shoot-out between bank robbers and the Los Angeles Police.

oh well, close enough.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

I live in Miami and I remember my mother telling me about it. People around the neighborhood thought they were filming Miami Vice. They saw guys shooting at each other and just kept on walking by like nothing and sometimes stopping and looking on. Must've been some crazy shite!

 

[przero]

Had they shot him 6 times with a .45 or a 10mm, he would not have returned more fire, hence the recommended upgrade in firepower.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Yes. There is video out there of the entire shootout. I believe a helicopter was circling during this whole thing. The two bank robbers were way more prepared than the FBI agents, obviously. One guy was driving a car slowly while the other used it as a shield, therefore they had moving protection and couldnt get pinned down.

Wrong shoot-out, wrong agency.

You're referring to the LA shoot-out between bank robbers and the Los Angeles Police.

oh well, close enough.

Lol 11 years later and 3,000 miles away...