Officials: Zawahri Still Alive, Was Not There During Attack

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Duckzilla
Look at the AP photo of the Pakistanis "protesting"

They are all smiling! Can someone explain that?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181666,00.html

You're seeing things.

 

[Duckzilla]

Aimster, if you claim you can't see Pakis laughing and smiling in that UP photo you're either blind or lying. Look at the damn photo!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181666,00.html

I'm not making any point other than that photo is odd. Protesting people generally don't smile.

I challenge everyone to look at that photo.

 

[Aimster]

I dont see anyone smiling

I see a bunch of people trying to get the attention of whoever is taking the picture.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Duckzilla
Aimster, if you claim you can't see Pakis laughing and smiling in that UP photo you're either blind or lying. Look at the damn photo!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181666,00.html

I'm not making any point other than that photo is odd. Protesting people generally don't smile.

I challenge everyone to look at that photo.

You are absolutely correct.. they only showed a random group of Pakis.. that photo is probably totally outdated.. they look like they are waving at someone they admire..

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Aimster
You cannot locate where their missiles are and destroy them.
Wtf are you talking about?
They already have 24-48 nuclear weapons made.

Indian and Pakistan = same people. Sorry to hurt your feelings.

Like you would know more that than someone who actually is from India :roll: Actually, claiming that we are the same people insinuates that Pakistan was founded on a lie and casts doubt on Jinnah's motives in creating a separate country. it questions the legitamcy of Muslims demanding a separate homeland in the Indian sub-continent. But then again, I am originally from India and no, Indians and Pakistanis are not the same people. There are some shared cultural influences like food, clothing and music between Pakistan and some parts of North India. Apart from that, India and Pakistan are very different.

Pakistanis sometimes like to call themselves Indian, especially here in the U.S, because sometimes they feel embarrassed of their country's ties with Islamic terrorists. I think that's fine - in that sense they are pretty much Indian coming from the Indian sub-continent. But your deliberate misrepresentation about Indians and Pakistanis being the same people and hating each other makes it sound as if we are somehow equal and just separated. Pakistanis are free to associate themselves culturally with India, though it is ironic that they would try to bomb us at the same time. Indians don't have a need to do the same and hence don't see Pakistanis as the same as ourselves for the most part.

 

[Proletariat]

I'm not even Indian, I have just read some damn books.

All the sh!t I know isn't even in-depth its war sh!t you could learn in a book on 20th century warfare. Aimster just likes to say things like that to quickly discount someones opinion.

 

[DealMonkey]

What a colossal f-up on the part of the CIA -- symptomatic of their lack of boots on the ground in the tribal areas in Pakistan would be my guess. Speaking of which, Mushie really needs to finally deal with that semi-autonomous tribal zone once and for all. This whole idea of allowing a lawless, radicalized part of your population to essentially have their own independent nation within a nation is just retarded. It's comparable to allowing the militant mercenary-wannabees in this country to go have their own fundie no-man's land down in Alabama or something.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
What a colossal f-up on the part of the CIA -- symptomatic of their lack of boots on the ground in the tribal areas in Pakistan would be my guess. Speaking of which, Mushie really needs to finally deal with that semi-autonomous tribal zone once and for all. This whole idea of allowing a lawless, radicalized part of your population to essentially have their own independent nation within a nation is just retarded. It's comparable to allowing the militant mercenary-wannabees in this country to go have their own fundie no-man's land down in Alabama or something.

You've got to be kidding me. Musharraf is just about the smartest dictator to show up in decades. He's playing the U.S for all it is worth. The tribal areas of Pakistan are like the nuclear weapons of NK - the ace up the sleeve of rogue regimes. The threat of mullahs taking over Pakistan's nuclear weapons is in similar vein. Pakistan will never be taken over by Islamic radicals outside the military. Perhaps the U.S is being equally smart in making the Pakistani military extremely dependent on U.S defence techonology and supply.

The bottomline is very clear - no entity other than Pakistan's military can take over the governance of the country. Even Islamic radicals will have to operate within the military structure to enjoy any power.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
I'm not even Indian, I have just read some damn books.

All the sh!t I know isn't even in-depth its war sh!t you could learn in a book on 20th century warfare. Aimster just likes to say things like that to quickly discount someones opinion.

You are Indian.

Sorry.

You just read books? Try commenting in every Indian thread - From directions on how to get rid of the Indian food smell all the way to the religious holidays.

Not Indian?

BS.

you lied about visiting the entire M.E. I am sure you lie about not being Indian too. It is not hard to prove me wrong. Go get one of your friends to pose as yourself and take a picture

 

[palehorse]

so not a single one of you give credence to the possibility that we got Zawahiri and/or some other Al Qaeda members in the attack?

not one of you believes the possibility, which was proposed in the article, that some intel sources stated that a cleric friendly to Al Qaeda's cause may have removed some of the corpses?

figures...

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
so not a single one of you give credence to the possibility that we got Zawahiri and/or some other Al Qaeda members in the attack?

not one of you believes the possibility, which was proposed in the article, that some intel sources stated that a cleric friendly to Al Qaeda's cause may have removed some of the corpses?

figures...

Why should we? We've been through this before.

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
And I wasn't counting on India to do anything except provide intelligence like the did against Al-Qaeda. Send out a few high altitude stealth sorties and knock out all of the Pakistani nuclear capibility. Bingo, its over. Pakistan doesn't hold a candle to the Indian Army much less our Armed forces.

Much the same way that the USA pinpointed the weapons of mass disappearance in Iraq ?

 

[jackschmittusa]

If the CIA happens to think there are AQ in Atlanta, are the going to blow up a neighborhood? Or do we only do that to "other" people? (We do the same in Iraq, where we do have troops on the ground.)

The ides that it is not ok for our troops to cross the Pakistani border, but it is ok to launch offensive missles over the border kind of leaves me scratching my head.

And anybody that thinks that the CIA could pinpoint all of the nukes in Pakistan and target them for simultaneous destruction is living in some fantacy world.

 

[Jave]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: athithi

Originally posted by: Aimster
They can say NO. Nobody is forcing Pakistan to do anything. They have nuclear weapons which means nobody is going to touch them.

Noobdy wants U.S forces in their country.

You want Mexican forces in the U.S?

Pakistan said YES only after India offered the U.S comprehensive support right after 9/11. Musharraf pretty much told this to the Pakistani people in his national address justifying his decision to side with the U.S. Pakistan was indeed forced, one way or another.

I too agree with the theory that Pakistan was informed of this attack. Regardless of that, if Pakistan was a willing partner, why didn't Pakistani troops attempt to capture or kill Zawahiri?

How was Pakistan forced? Nobody was/is ever going to invade/attack Pakistan. An attack on Pakistan = destruction of the region.

If the U.S has information of someone hiding out some place that is a top fugitive, I doubt they are going to sit around for a day to discuss the politics of the matter. Within minutes they are going to bomb the site. Pakistan's army is not always within minutes of everything.

Destruction of the region? O RLY?

Just get satelliete maps from India/Israel and bomb their nuke facilities from high altitudes. The war is already over.

The Pakistani army is incompetent. They lost to 1950's era fighters in wars against India. Some Pushtoons in rags give them trouble as well.

Oh please.

Get your India pride BS out of here.

India cannot destroy Pakistan without Pakistan dropping a few bombs on India killing many millions.

If you wish to believe that India can destroy Pakistan without a scratch , then good luck.

Do you purposely ignore what people say to you?

What India pride?

Is it not a fact that India has owned Pakistan 3 times with barely a scratch? In one of the wars Karachi was burning for days I believe.

And I wasn't counting on India to do anything except provide intelligence like the did against Al-Qaeda. Send out a few high altitude stealth sorties and knock out all of the Pakistani nuclear capibility. Bingo, its over. Pakistan doesn't hold a candle to the Indian Army much less our Armed forces.

I don't give a damn about the past.
What the hell does the past have to do with anything? This is not the past.

India and Pakistan are the same people. You can hate your own people I don't care.

You are suggesting India can bomb Pakistan and Pakistan will not be able to use their 24-48 nuclear missiles on them. Get real.

:roll:

I'm really not going thru this with you again. Neither of them are my people, but they are def both not the SAME people.

If you read my posts, which you never do with any thread you post in, I clearly was insinuating that Bush threatened them on some level in order to get them to cooperate. India attacking was never part of the equation. By bringing in India to the subject I was just showing how completely inept the conventional Pakistani military is.

Musharraf would never put himself on the line for no reason. Pakistan has more hardline ISlamists than even Iran, they still have honor killings. But it doesn't matter to me they are both crapholes. Don't think for a second that we can't take out Pakistan. What are they going to do once their nuclear capibility is gone?

You cannot locate where their missiles are and destroy them.
Wtf are you talking about?
They already have 24-48 nuclear weapons made.

Indian and Pakistan = same people. Sorry to hurt your feelings.

I'm quite sure both Israel and India know they are.

You can dream on India fanboy (stop pretending that you are not Indian). Who went to UN crying in 1948 when Pakistan took over 3/4 of the Kashmir (later moved back to current Linr of Control)? Who went to UN crying in 1965 for a cease fire? Check UN resolution.
India does one thing really well which is "propaganda", they are the best in the world. Looking at your posts it becomes obvious.

 

[athithi]

Originally posted by: Jave

You can dream on India fanboy (stop pretending that you are not Indian). Who went to UN crying in 1948 when Pakistan took over 3/4 of the Kashmir (later moved back to current Linr of Control)? Who went to UN crying in 1965 for a cease fire? Check UN resolution.
India does one thing really well which is "propaganda", they are the best in the world. Looking at your posts it becomes obvious.

403/0 :laugh: