Officials: Obama to reverse abortion policy

[sandorski]

"God' is the biggest Abortionist.

 

[Sedition]

Originally posted by: ayabe
:thumbsup: x 10

Yeah so let's talk about wasting money OP, ever heard of abstinence-only education?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: shrumpage
The federal government should not be preventing a personal medical procedure that is in such dispute.

Fixed

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: shrumpage
The federal government should not be paying for a personal medical procedure that is in such dispute.

IIRC, the "global gag order" wasn't about restricting funds to pay for medical procedures, it was much broader. The gag order was on INFORMATION being disseminated as well. Information about birth control (which overall helps w/ poverty as well as overpopulation), condoms, sexual health/hygiene, etc. as well as abortion. There should be no restriction placed on information, imho. Funding for procedures and/or devices can be up for debate though.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup:

So war is bad, but killing unborn babies is good??

So war is good, but killing unborn babies is bad??

Um, yes?

^ You've just proven to us all that you're here to simply troll, and nothing more. No one should ever take you seriously in a P&N argument again.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Farang

A virus does not need to become airborne to cause a pandemic and spread across imaginary lines on a map. That really is irrelevant. Obviously we have plenty of AIDS in this country so it is capable of making its way across oceans. Anyway your railing against foreign aid in general which is fine but let's not pretend it isn't supported by both parties and has been for decades.

My point is this pandemic is not a national security risk because would require a large % of our population to suddenly engage in unprotected sex or share infected needles. Our AIDS rates are very low in this country. Even if Africa swelled to 100% infected our rates wont change without a major change in practices of people within this country. Either way Africa or any other geographical location with regards to this pandemic has zero bearing on our AIDS rates.

 

[frostedflakes]

Good move IMO. :thumbsup:

And to make it clear, because apparently some people don't get it, it's not like Obama is creating a new Kill the Babies program. This has nothing to do with US sex education either (no idea how that came up). This simply allows existing foreign aid funds to be used by agencies that provide mothers with the option to get an abortion. Rape rates in Africa (the DRC especially) are staggering. I think it's kind of messed up to deny aid to women in these countries that may not want to carry these children to term.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Mr Pepper

< kill more babies crowd >
You'd prefer to have them be born and then die of AIDS or starve to death, right? God wants them to suffer?

I would prefer that humans could show responsibility for their actions without have to somehow justify the murder of an innocent person to do so.

Every time human life is deemed worthless, we (willingly or unwillingly) take one step backwards and prove ourselves to be nothing more than animals.

I'm sure you already know it but most people who are pro choice do not consider an abortion murder. You can claim otherwise but you're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Good move IMO. :thumbsup:

And to make it clear, because apparently some people don't get it, it's not like Obama is creating a new Kill the Babies program. This has nothing to do with US sex education either (no idea how that came up). This simply allows existing foreign aid funds to be used by agencies that provide mothers with the option to get an abortion. Rape rates in Africa (the DCR especially) are staggering. I think it's kind of messed up to deny aid to women in these countries that may not want to carry these children to term.

Stop being reasonable. Obama is clearly a terrorist muslim anti-christ baby killer abortionist.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Good move IMO. :thumbsup:

And to make it clear, because apparently some people don't get it, it's not like Obama is creating a new Kill the Babies program. This has nothing to do with US sex education either (no idea how that came up). This simply allows existing foreign aid funds to be used by agencies that provide mothers with the option to get an abortion. Rape rates in Africa (the DCR especially) are staggering. I think it's kind of messed up to deny aid to women in these countries that may not want to carry these children to term.

aren't we also talking about foreign monetary aid for sex education and contraceptives?

I would think that would be more important than aid for abortions. If we allow aid for education and contraceptives we may eliminate the need for abortion....generally speaking.

Wasn't the gag order for sex education too?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Farang

A virus does not need to become airborne to cause a pandemic and spread across imaginary lines on a map. That really is irrelevant. Obviously we have plenty of AIDS in this country so it is capable of making its way across oceans. Anyway your railing against foreign aid in general which is fine but let's not pretend it isn't supported by both parties and has been for decades.

My point is this pandemic is not a national security risk because would require a large % of our population to suddenly engage in unprotected sex or share infected needles. Our AIDS rates are very low in this country. Even if Africa swelled to 100% infected our rates wont change without a major change in practices of people within this country. Either way Africa or any other geographical location with regards to this pandemic has zero bearing on our AIDS rates.

I think you give too much credit to how safely people have sex in this country. Just because our AIDS rate is low does not mean that only that percentage of people are the ones practicing unsafe sex. A lot more are, ready to be infected, but fortunately never come across (no pun intended) anyone with AIDS. Also an infectious disease ravaging a country creates instability within that country, and instability allows terrorism to grow. This is a major line of reasoning behind our development efforts from AIDS to everything else we do.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Mr Pepper

< kill more babies crowd >
You'd prefer to have them be born and then die of AIDS or starve to death, right? God wants them to suffer?

I would prefer that humans could show responsibility for their actions without have to somehow justify the murder of an innocent person to do so.

Every time human life is deemed worthless, we (willingly or unwillingly) take one step backwards and prove ourselves to be nothing more than animals.

Realizing that we ARE in fact, animals

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Farang

A virus does not need to become airborne to cause a pandemic and spread across imaginary lines on a map. That really is irrelevant. Obviously we have plenty of AIDS in this country so it is capable of making its way across oceans. Anyway your railing against foreign aid in general which is fine but let's not pretend it isn't supported by both parties and has been for decades.

My point is this pandemic is not a national security risk because would require a large % of our population to suddenly engage in unprotected sex or share infected needles. Our AIDS rates are very low in this country. Even if Africa swelled to 100% infected our rates wont change without a major change in practices of people within this country. Either way Africa or any other geographical location with regards to this pandemic has zero bearing on our AIDS rates.

Not if some have their way around here. The current proportion of the US that is infected can be traced back to only a handful of original cases that came from that continent. There will always be people who are irresponsible or who contract it through no fault of their own. However, the current prevalence of non-abstinence only sex ed is what helps keep infection rates from reaching African proportions in the long run.

You also have to consider that hospitals over in Africa's many third world countries aren't as clean/sanitary as those in the US or other first/second world countries. Why do you think they deny you from giving blood if you had been to some of those places?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

< kill more babies crowd >

You'd prefer to have them be born and then die of AIDS or starve to death, right? God wants them to suffer?

So...let me get this straight...you think that I actually prefer that babies to "be born and then die of AIDS or starve to death" and that "God wants people to suffer". Wow...your capacity to both fabricate and believe lies is astounding. You know...everyone has a choice to make:

"You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes." - Morpheus

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Jeffg010

Topic Title: Officials: Obama to reverse abortion policy
Topic Summary: More money going to a GOOD cause.

Fixed it for ya. No need to thank me.

Originally posted by: ayabe

:thumbsup: x 10

Yeah so let's talk about wasting money OP, ever heard of abstinence-only education?

:thumbsup: x 100.

Too bad Dubya's parents never learned about birth control.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Good grief Anybody that didn't know this was coming has been uder a rock.

I appluade the move, I beleive women should have complete access to every bit of knowledge and technology when it comes to child bearing and abortion, and I've always beleived that what a woman does with her pregnancy should be 100% her choice.

When will we ever stop trying to legislate religious ideals?

 

[Infohawk]

Looks like the OP did a post n' run.

I wonder what his religious view on abortion is?

If you don't have a religious issue with it, it's pretty hard to argue it's not cost-effective. We don't need more poor destitute people in the world.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: thegimp03
Great, now more of my tax dollars are going to fund stupid people's mistakes.

No? For the 3rd time, no more of your money is going anywhere-- the money you're ALREADY SPENDING for Bush & Co's "faith-based initiative" is being allocated to something that actually works.

How about the feds fund neither of them?

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: ayabe
:thumbsup: x 10

Yeah so let's talk about wasting money OP, ever heard of abstinence-only education?

:thumbsup: Good to see a faith-based policy go away.

Yup! Faith Based BS does not belong in politics period!



I support this a lot. This is just the tip of the ice burg --- more to come I'm sure.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup:

So war is bad, but killing unborn babies is good??

The same could be asked in reverse to you. =)

+1, good job Obama... So far I like everything he has done... Not so sure about stimuls package, but Abortion, stem cell research and all of the other narrowminded social changes Bush made should be undone.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Using taxpayer dollars to fund murder of future children. Good job Obama.
Why don't you just tell us how you really feel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSsFzue-V-I

I saw a statistic yesterday-- something like 77% of abortion legislators are male. 0% of them will ever become pregnant.

Just something to think about.

Of course, The right is authoritarian. Abortion is all about men controlling women. Any intelligent Republican knows in his bones, that women free to make intelligent choices won't choose him as a mate. His hope is that repressed women will judge him by his pocket book.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
No, you don't deserve to see them. You'd ignore them even if I showed them to your type, just like usual.

This is as much of a religion to your type as you claim it is to us (as if there were no grander consequences, which we see and are concerned about shielding this country from, to a society in which human life has no value).

I've not seen a larger cop out in a long time.

"I have this fact that has proof but you don't deserve to see the proof so just believe me even though there is evidence to the contrary."

Have you never heard the saying "don't throw your pearls to the swine"?

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup:

So war is bad, but killing unborn babies is good??

So war is good, but killing unborn babies is bad??

Comparing one to the other, uh, yes. Very much so.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
No, you don't deserve to see them. You'd ignore them even if I showed them to your type, just like usual.

This is as much of a religion to your type as you claim it is to us (as if there were no grander consequences, which we see and are concerned about shielding this country from, to a society in which human life has no value).

I've not seen a larger cop out in a long time.

"I have this fact that has proof but you don't deserve to see the proof so just believe me even though there is evidence to the contrary."

Have you never heard the saying "don't throw your pearls to the swine"?

Have you heard the saying, "Talking out of his ass?" Yeah, that's you. I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim(s). Or should I just assume you're full of it, as usual?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Using taxpayer dollars to fund murder of future children. Good job Obama.
Why don't you just tell us how you really feel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSsFzue-V-I

You do realize that in the US alone an abortion ban would create 800,000 children a year to parents who are mentally or financially unprepared to have children. Youre talking a whole lot of fucked up kids or a whole lot of government funded fucked up kids in orphanages.