Official Xbox 360? Thread...Part Deux

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toekramp

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
It has been confirmed Xvid and Divx playback!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH SNAP

well...maybe more like oh snap and not OH SNAP.

link
# H.264 video support: Up to 15 Mbps, Baseline, Main, and High (up to level 4.1) Profiles with 2 channel AAC LC and Main Profiles.
# Added MPEG-4 Part 2 video support: Up to 8 Mbps, Simple Profile with 2 channel AAC LC and Main Profiles.

only 2 channels. I'm caught between excitement and disappointment.

taken from engadget comment -

Unfortunately, this does not mean Divx or Xvid can be played on the 360 after the update. Both codecs require MPEG-4 Advanced Simple Profile support, and the press release specifies only Simple Profile.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: purbeast0

lol that thing is so ****** ugly and awkward looking.

Who cares how it looks as long as it's functional? It's simply a plug in accessory to make typing easier.

yah i don't type on xbox live anyways so it's definitely something i'll pass on. i just hink it looks so out of place, almost like a home-brewed adapter.
 

Eug Wanker

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Yeah, my expectation is that most DivX/XviD files will NOT work.

H.264 is a ton more efficient though anyway, and my preferred codec. I'm hoping for the .mp4 container, or else AVI. (I'd really prefer support for the .mov container, but there's no way they'll be supporting that.)
 

purbeast0

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i would also sacrafice all of these new features in the Spring Dash update if they could just make the dash more responsive and quicker. to this day i still have no idea why the hell it is so slow.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: dlock13
I like it. Blends perfectly and smoothly with the controller. Although, I hope that is just a prototype because isn't it supposed to include a jack so you can use the headset as well?

Believe it or not...there will be ANOTHER headset that will come with the keyboard. There's a little jack at the bottom of it.
 

dlock13

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: dlock13
I like it. Blends perfectly and smoothly with the controller. Although, I hope that is just a prototype because isn't it supposed to include a jack so you can use the headset as well?

Believe it or not...there will be ANOTHER headset that will come with the keyboard. There's a little jack at the bottom of it.
Really? I like that idea. I am possibly going to pick this up when it comes out.
 

bucwylde23

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
i would also sacrafice all of these new features in the Spring Dash update if they could just make the dash more responsive and quicker. to this day i still have no idea why the hell it is so slow.

You aren't alone. I hate trying to send messages/invites during a game because the damn blade is just slow as hell. Why is there such a huge delay? I never see anyone complain about this but it is the one thing that I hate most about the 360.
 

Eug Wanker

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http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=986906#post986906

Finally I gan give more details without getting into trouble.

Good news: h.264 is the same decoder used for HD-DVD. VC-1 is also multi threaded so higher bitrates should now work.

Bad news: h.264 profile support is 4.1 for HD and 5.0 and 5.1 for SD (720x576) content (we run out of memory for HD 5.0+ content). MPEG4 is SP only no ASP seatures are supported (B-Frame, QPEL etc.). Also no subtitle support.
Bad news: container support is MPEG4 and ASF, audio is WMA or AAC LC 2ch only.
Bad news: This updated functionality is for the dash video player only. MCX is a separate product and is completely unrelated to the dash.
 

five40

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Darkstar757
It has been confirmed Xvid and Divx playback!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH SNAP

well...maybe more like oh snap and not OH SNAP.

link
# H.264 video support: Up to 15 Mbps, Baseline, Main, and High (up to level 4.1) Profiles with 2 channel AAC LC and Main Profiles.
# Added MPEG-4 Part 2 video support: Up to 8 Mbps, Simple Profile with 2 channel AAC LC and Main Profiles.

only 2 channels. I'm caught between excitement and disappointment.

It's only 10Mbps not 15Mbps. In your link it says

Added H.264 video support: Up to 10 Mbps peak, Baseline, Main, and High profiles with 2 channel AAC LC.

Added MPEG-4 Part 2 video support: Up to 5 Mbps peak, Simple Profile with 2 channel AAC LC.

 

Eug Wanker

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Originally posted by: five40
It's only 10Mbps not 15Mbps. In your link it says

Added H.264 video support: Up to 10 Mbps peak, Baseline, Main, and High profiles with 2 channel AAC LC.

Added MPEG-4 Part 2 video support: Up to 5 Mbps peak, Simple Profile with 2 channel AAC LC.
Damn! That has changed since this morning.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
Originally posted by: five40
It's only 10Mbps not 15Mbps. In your link it says

Added H.264 video support: Up to 10 Mbps peak, Baseline, Main, and High profiles with 2 channel AAC LC.

Added MPEG-4 Part 2 video support: Up to 5 Mbps peak, Simple Profile with 2 channel AAC LC.
Damn! That has changed since this morning.

Yeah, it has. That was a straight copy from Xbox.com.
 
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Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=986906#post986906

Finally I gan give more details without getting into trouble.

Good news: h.264 is the same decoder used for HD-DVD. VC-1 is also multi threaded so higher bitrates should now work.

Bad news: h.264 profile support is 4.1 for HD and 5.0 and 5.1 for SD (720x576) content (we run out of memory for HD 5.0+ content). MPEG4 is SP only no ASP seatures are supported (B-Frame, QPEL etc.). Also no subtitle support.
Bad news: container support is MPEG4 and ASF, audio is WMA or AAC LC 2ch only.
Bad news: This updated functionality is for the dash video player only. MCX is a separate product and is completely unrelated to the dash.
The last "bad news" bit....does that mean the new codecs aren't supported via streaming with the Media Center extender functionality?
 

dlock13

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=986906#post986906

Finally I gan give more details without getting into trouble.

Good news: h.264 is the same decoder used for HD-DVD. VC-1 is also multi threaded so higher bitrates should now work.

Bad news: h.264 profile support is 4.1 for HD and 5.0 and 5.1 for SD (720x576) content (we run out of memory for HD 5.0+ content). MPEG4 is SP only no ASP seatures are supported (B-Frame, QPEL etc.). Also no subtitle support.
Bad news: container support is MPEG4 and ASF, audio is WMA or AAC LC 2ch only.
Bad news: This updated functionality is for the dash video player only. MCX is a separate product and is completely unrelated to the dash.
The last "bad news" bit....does that mean the new codecs aren't supported via streaming with the Media Center extender functionality?
Yes that is exactly what it means. :(

 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: dlock13
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=986906#post986906

Finally I gan give more details without getting into trouble.

Good news: h.264 is the same decoder used for HD-DVD. VC-1 is also multi threaded so higher bitrates should now work.

Bad news: h.264 profile support is 4.1 for HD and 5.0 and 5.1 for SD (720x576) content (we run out of memory for HD 5.0+ content). MPEG4 is SP only no ASP seatures are supported (B-Frame, QPEL etc.). Also no subtitle support.
Bad news: container support is MPEG4 and ASF, audio is WMA or AAC LC 2ch only.
Bad news: This updated functionality is for the dash video player only. MCX is a separate product and is completely unrelated to the dash.
The last "bad news" bit....does that mean the new codecs aren't supported via streaming with the Media Center extender functionality?
Yes that is exactly what it means. :(

That's not necessarily bad though. As long as the movies are accessible in the dashboard that is still good.

The other two bits of bad new is bad though.
 

dlock13

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: dlock13
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=986906#post986906

Finally I gan give more details without getting into trouble.

Good news: h.264 is the same decoder used for HD-DVD. VC-1 is also multi threaded so higher bitrates should now work.

Bad news: h.264 profile support is 4.1 for HD and 5.0 and 5.1 for SD (720x576) content (we run out of memory for HD 5.0+ content). MPEG4 is SP only no ASP seatures are supported (B-Frame, QPEL etc.). Also no subtitle support.
Bad news: container support is MPEG4 and ASF, audio is WMA or AAC LC 2ch only.
Bad news: This updated functionality is for the dash video player only. MCX is a separate product and is completely unrelated to the dash.
The last "bad news" bit....does that mean the new codecs aren't supported via streaming with the Media Center extender functionality?
Yes that is exactly what it means. :(

That's not necessarily bad though. As long as the movies are accessible in the dashboard that is still good.

The other two bits of bad new is bad though.
I agree. I never really used MC anyway. So dashboard is just as good.

Lets hope one of those 2100 updates includes a faster dashboard interface.
 

Eug Wanker

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
Originally posted by: five40
It's only 10Mbps not 15Mbps. In your link it says

Added H.264 video support: Up to 10 Mbps peak, Baseline, Main, and High profiles with 2 channel AAC LC.

Added MPEG-4 Part 2 video support: Up to 5 Mbps peak, Simple Profile with 2 channel AAC LC.
Damn! That has changed since this morning.
Yeah, it has. That was a straight copy from Xbox.com.
One of the MS guys has since told us that the numbers there aren't hard numbers, more like guidelines. Also, since it is using the HD DVD H.264 code, I'm hoping this means that there is in fact way more headroom than those numbers suggest (since H.264 on HD DVD can be over 20 Mbps).

For multichannel audio you can technically use WMA Pro. However, WMA Pro + H.264 seems like a weird combination, and it seems the vast majority of H.264 with multichannel out there is DD AC3. AC3 is not allowed in this context for the Xbox, because they had some licencing issues. I don't really care that much though, since my primary concern here is video. I'm happy enough with H.264 with 2-channel AAC LC, since that's what much of my software outputs anyway.
 
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Originally posted by: dlock13
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: Eug Wanker
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=986906#post986906

Finally I gan give more details without getting into trouble.

Good news: h.264 is the same decoder used for HD-DVD. VC-1 is also multi threaded so higher bitrates should now work.

Bad news: h.264 profile support is 4.1 for HD and 5.0 and 5.1 for SD (720x576) content (we run out of memory for HD 5.0+ content). MPEG4 is SP only no ASP seatures are supported (B-Frame, QPEL etc.). Also no subtitle support.
Bad news: container support is MPEG4 and ASF, audio is WMA or AAC LC 2ch only.
Bad news: This updated functionality is for the dash video player only. MCX is a separate product and is completely unrelated to the dash.
The last "bad news" bit....does that mean the new codecs aren't supported via streaming with the Media Center extender functionality?
Yes that is exactly what it means. :(
Suddenly, I don't really care. Sure, it might be good for a movie file or two, but I had grand visions in my head of creating a grand media center with all of my DVDs ripped and stored for streaming, but I don't want to do that with wmv. Oh well.
 

ivol07

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Shield bubble and landmines look fun! Damnit, now I might have to go find crackdown. I haven't even finished COD3, Rainbow Six Vegas, Castlvania or Guitar Hero. And Paper Mario comes out today! Damn you video games, why must you be so entertaining.