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Official World Cup Soccer Thread

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zinfamous said:
The reason that I think he shouldn't be off-sides in that situation is that he already retrieved the ball, on the advance, in an on-sides position.

He establishes onsides in the face of the Mexican defense--he essentially beats the other team in a legitimate fashion. It is now on the Mexican defense to stop him--for the goal keeper to handle that ball, which did not happen. I can't rationalize how that Argentinian player is suddenly required to abandon his legally-established advantage in reaction to Mexico making such a huge mistake in defense. Besides the fact that the Argentinian player suddenly has to make that decision to jump back on sides within the 3 seconds that that play happened (or, I suppose he is expected not to touch the ball?)...it just doesn't make sense to me.
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I guess I can understand having been confused not completely knowing the rule...but that's the rule. I guess I think it works fine. Yeah, he beat the defense but got stuck by the keeper. He shoulda hauled back onsides or taken his ass out of play. Defense can always use the rule as strategy to trap the offense, as they should (not that it mattered in this instance anyway). Tevez's past accomplishment of beating the defense bears no reward for the present moment of play.

I assumed that it was like off sides in hockey, which I think would make more sense for soccer. (though hockey is puck first, and always first; vs soccer = from the moment of kick, the attacker can pass defenders before the ball passes them, correct?)
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Yes.
 
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Gooberlx2 said:
I guess I can understand having been confused not completely knowing the rule...but that's the rule. I guess I think it works fine. Yeah, he beat the defense but got stuck by the keeper. He shoulda hauled back onsides or taken his ass out of play. Defense can always use the rule as strategy to trap the offense, as they should (not that it mattered in this instance anyway). Tevez's past accomplishment of beating the defense bears no reward for the present moment of play.
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but in this situation, the concept of past/present is a matter of 2-4 seconds?

:hmm:
 
Maicon will be the difference, the Dutch have nothing to counter him, maybe move Dejong to his side...he will be the key
 
ShadowOfMyself said:
Probably like every other country in the world, where the whole country stops to watch the game and people even skip work lol
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It's not the same everywhere, IMO South Americans are crazier than others. A case in point:
a bunch of us wanted to watch a EURO cup qualifier game of our home country, and because it wasn't covered on any regular channel in Canada we found some sports bar that ordered it from Setanta (and charged $20 for entrance...). There were about 40-50 people watching, 90% guys, dressed in jeans etc, just watching the game and having a few beers. Shortly after the game, there was another game, S. American quals, one of the teams was Chile, don't know the other except that it wasn't Brazil or Argentina. And then Chileans entered the bar and not only did they heavily outnumber us, but there were women, children, young, old, everything, and like 80% were dressed in national team outfits carying flags and scarves being quite loud too. I remember we were like "daaamn, soccer is teh serious business for these people".
 
ShadowOfMyself said:
Probably like every other country in the world, where the whole country stops to watch the game and people even skip work lol
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I think it was 1998. I was flying out of London when England were playing. I was so upset that I was going to miss the game. Mysteriously there was a flight delay and I watched the game in the lounge. Game over - flight started boarding.
 
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