"When I was 10 years old, I went downstairs in our shack to find mah pappie learning mathematics from the tee-vee soins he could get a better job in the sweat shop. That was what America was all about before Bush/Cheney. My and my partner, er, running mate, John Kerry will restore that vision of America."
I don't think it matters but Cheney won pretty easy I think 73% to Edwards 27% but who votes for a VP
Nice how you ignore the second link there Zebo....
With regards to the first point any moron can get themselves incorporated to use/abuse this credit/break....I know many who did just that so they could write off their shiny new SUV, clearly not what the bill was intended for but some people are just that sleezy....
just like
Why bother going out of the way to set up the shelter if you feel your not paying your fair share...why not just pay what is due at the end of the year?? hypocritical at best on Edwards/Kerry's part.
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I LOVE how you and others call this "hypocritical." :roll: So, by your argument, they should throw more of their money into the programs passed by our Republican-dominated congress and White House, whether or not they agree with them? If they did that, you'd be saying how stupid they were.
The Internal Revenue Code specifically says that people have the right to use any and all lawful means to reduce their tax load.
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VP Cheney is, by any standard, the most powerful VP in history, and there's a real argument he already is our president in that respect. IMO our country is headed in the wrong direction.
My answer to your question is Sen Edwards, and it's not close.
Marlin 1975,
I've also lived in NC all my life and I'm not speaking for all the people of NC. I said the majority of people in the state. I believe the poles back up the statement. Kerry/ Edwards are not going to win this state. I also live in the Triangle area and I will give you the benefit of the double about the people in this area. They tend to be left leaning. However, you as do many others in the RTP area seem to forget that we do NOT represent the entire state!!! How this area votes in Presidential elections usually has not reflected how the whole state votes.
I've also lived in NC all my life and I'm not speaking for all the people of NC. I said the majority of people in the state. I believe the poles back up the statement. Kerry/ Edwards are not going to win this state. I also live in the Triangle area and I will give you the benefit of the double about the people in this area. They tend to be left leaning. However, you as do many others in the RTP area seem to forget that we do NOT represent the entire state!!! How this area votes in Presidential elections usually has not reflected how the whole state votes.
I've lived in NC all my life too. Born in Winston-Salem, raised in Hickory, college in Winston-Salem, and now live in High Point. Not everyone here dislikes Edwards...just the ones who hate every Democrat. True, Dubbya will likely carry this state, but it's going to be closer than anyone would imagine. It's still possible for Kerry to pull it out. There's more Kerry support here than I ever would have thought.
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When Cheney made the remark about he being the President of the Senate,
and that Edwards had no voting record & mentioning that this was the first time
he had met Edwards, it was an air of a teacher in elementry school scolding a
student for not showing up for a class. This is arrogant and phoney.
Cheney's presence in the senate is to break ties when they occur.
Now all Edwards has to have done is to have shown up for any single vote
after January 20, 2000 when the Bush administration took office to prove
that Cheney was manipulation fact - again, and presenting another faslehood.
Edwards Senate Voting Record
Documented by the U.S. Government for the world to see.
Cheney cannot be compelled to tell the truth about anything.
All it takes to prove Cheney's falsehood is ONE
It was a roll-call vote.
and that Edwards had no voting record & mentioning that this was the first time
he had met Edwards, it was an air of a teacher in elementry school scolding a
student for not showing up for a class. This is arrogant and phoney.
Cheney's presence in the senate is to break ties when they occur.
Now all Edwards has to have done is to have shown up for any single vote
after January 20, 2000 when the Bush administration took office to prove
that Cheney was manipulation fact - again, and presenting another faslehood.
Edwards Senate Voting Record
Documented by the U.S. Government for the world to see.
Cheney cannot be compelled to tell the truth about anything.
All it takes to prove Cheney's falsehood is ONE
It was a roll-call vote.
The best was this morning when CNN's American Morning interviewed Liz Cheney. They told her that Cheney and Edwards attended a prayer breakfast, in 2001, just after the current administration took office. She said, it was a big room, so they didn't actually meet. Then, AM showed the footage from the event showing Edwards and Cheney sitting next to each other at the breakfast table. 
ROTFLMAO
ROTFLMAOCapt:
Yes, good posts, but why didn't Edwards speak up instead of sitting there like someone caught him with his hand in the cookie jar? Really, if you expect to be VP you'd better show me some balls.
Maybe I'm just a fire and brimstone kinda' guy but I LOVE a good fight.
-Robert
Yes, good posts, but why didn't Edwards speak up instead of sitting there like someone caught him with his hand in the cookie jar? Really, if you expect to be VP you'd better show me some balls.
Maybe I'm just a fire and brimstone kinda' guy but I LOVE a good fight.
-Robert
I would give a slight edge to Edwards.
Found this
Cheney also seemed better prepared, in some ways, than Edwards, at least in terms of bringing up the other side's records, votes and quotes, even if not always accurately.
Sure is easier to appear better prepared when you don't have to stick to facts. Most of us are good at ad-libbing our opinions, it's getting the FACTS straight that is difficult. Cheney had taken making his opinions appear to be the truth to an art form.:disgust:
Found this
Cheney also seemed better prepared, in some ways, than Edwards, at least in terms of bringing up the other side's records, votes and quotes, even if not always accurately.
Sure is easier to appear better prepared when you don't have to stick to facts. Most of us are good at ad-libbing our opinions, it's getting the FACTS straight that is difficult. Cheney had taken making his opinions appear to be the truth to an art form.:disgust:
I expect he was referring to the official meet. You run into somebody in McDonalds, did you really meet them. Maybe he didn't recognize him as a Senator at the breakfast as he had never seen him at work.
By the way, Clinton used Halliburton too and paid their price. You just can't find too many companies who will do logistics in a war zone. I think if it were researched, that was the reason the company was formed. A unique need that was unfilled.
By the way, Clinton used Halliburton too and paid their price. You just can't find too many companies who will do logistics in a war zone. I think if it were researched, that was the reason the company was formed. A unique need that was unfilled.
So you endorse people setting up tax shelters and falsely incorporating themselves so that they save money instead of just paying their fair share? personally I feel it is very hypocritical and shows just how far they are willing to go to save money even when they have millions....they try to compare themselves to those who make 50K/year and under why not act like them as well...
I think Cheney's just a serial liar. Must come with the territory when you're the CEO of a company that does business with the enemy.
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Well, if you look at the picture, they are right next to each other, and VP Cheney actually introduced Sen Edwards to the crowd - I'd consider that more of a "meeting" than I imagine they'd ever have had in the Senate, even if Sen Edwards had been present for every single vote.
did they ever meet in the Senate, I think Cheney would have been better off had he said "in the senate hall" rather than just in general...either way at the time the comment landed a serious blow which some might not bother to follow up with.
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Who's to say anyone "falsely" incorporated? There are any number of sound legal reasons for doing do.
I generally respect your posts, but this one is so nakedly partisan that I just can't take it seriously. I am 100% confident you wouldn't levy a similar criticism against a Republican, and indeed I imagine you'd criticize a Democrat for his lack of business acumen if he overpaid his taxes (which is what you're suggesting they do). What you're saying simply makes NO sense.
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He did indeed land a serious blow, but it appears he did so by lying, plain and simple, since I'm quite sure they "met" when they both appeared on Meet the Press.
If that's an acceptable debate tactic, Sen Edwards could have struck an even stronger blow by saying that VP Cheney was a registered sex offender with an extensive collection of child pornography.
I know more than a few who falsely incorporated themselves to take advantage of the SUV loophole, while there are some with "sound legal reasons" there are many others who abuse the system....
And with crticising republicans on the matter why would I as they are not the ones making false claims of tax rollbacks on the top earners making a difference in the debt, sorry but I don't buy it for one second, especially when one of the two man team went about avoiding paying taxes in the first place. There is no way a rollback on those making 200K a year will get them to where they want to be, heck even Klinton knew that which is why more people were impacted by his higher tax plans when the debt was less....
Like I said, he should have been more specific in saying that he had never seen him in the Senate....
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