**OFFICIAL** who won the CHENEY/EDWARD debate

[Painman]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Painman
Whoever regurgitated Cheney's comment about never having met Edwards before this debate:

Mr. Vice President, your pants are on fire

This guy's pathological, maybe he has a case of Pump Head.

That doesn't mean they have actually spoken to each other. If Edwards had met Cheney, he would have said so. I mean, his entire debate was about the administration's lies after all.

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY DELIVERS REMARKS AT NATIONAL PRAYER BREAKFAST FEBRUARY 1, 2001 SPEAKER: VICE PRESIDENT RICHARD B. CHENEY [*] CHENEY: Thank you. Thank you very much. Congressman Watts, Senator Edwards, friends from across America and distinguished visitors to our country from all over the world, Lynne and I honored to be with you all this morning. I've always counted myself fortunate to have been raised in a part of the country where the Almighty chose to do some of his finest work.

Nice try.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: bozack
only thing Cheney really waffled on was the issue of unemployment and instead focused on schooling...

I would have to disagree... Cheney's point was that to fix the unemployment problem, you have to address why it is there in the first place. You can just *create* jobs out of thin air and place people into them. The market doesn't work that way. Edwards plan is to punish companies that outsource, to keep jobs in the U.S. - at the same time picking and choosing what companies *can* outsource, i.e. prescription drugs from Canada. Which is a weird tactic to begin with, because I thought the democrats were very much opposed getting our drugs from out of the U.S. for "safety" reasons.

Sage,

I agree but in all fairness it wasn't the most direct answer and Edwards did score a zing on this one for pointing that out...I also have noted on numerous occasion the hypocricy of their drug plans but arguments generally center around the fact that the drugs are made in the same us factory only canadiens get to pay less for them, somehow people convienently forget about the FDA and other regulations the US has which others do not....

The important point was made. Bush sides with corporations and Kerry with the people. You just have to ask yourself which one you are.

Don't forget to ask yourself where you would be without corporations. Without a job or in an economy worse than this one, possibly even in a third world country. unless you run your own business in which case you are the corporation.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Painman
Whoever regurgitated Cheney's comment about never having met Edwards before this debate:

Mr. Vice President, your pants are on fire

This guy's pathological, maybe he has a case of Pump Head.

He meant on the senate floor not the annual prayer breakfast.

His voting record, remember that was about his missing meetings in the senate. The annual prayer breakfast isn't a senate meeting for voting on issues.

Originally posted by: Dick Cheney
The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight.

Transcript

Stick to spinning turds in your toilet bowl.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Painman
Whoever regurgitated Cheney's comment about never having met Edwards before this debate:

Mr. Vice President, your pants are on fire

This guy's pathological, maybe he has a case of Pump Head.

He meant on the senate floor not the annual prayer breakfast.

His voting record, remember that was about his missing meetings in the senate. The annual prayer breakfast isn't a senate meeting for voting on issues.

The spin begins.

Let's go back to the transcript.

CHENEY: Gwen, I want to go back to the last comment, and then I'll come back to Israel-Palestine.

The reason they keep trying to attack Halliburton is because they want to obscure their own record.

And Senator, frankly, you have a record in the Senate that's not very distinguished. You've missed 33 out of 36 meetings in the Judiciary Committee, almost 70 percent of the meetings of the Intelligence Committee.

You've missed a lot of key votes: on tax policy, on energy, on Medicare reform.

Your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you "Senator Gone." You've got one of the worst attendance records in the United States Senate.

Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session.

The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight.

So I guess he never met him at the debate tonight either since it wasn't a senate meeting. :/ Just admit he lied instead of making yourself look foolish.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Painman
Whoever regurgitated Cheney's comment about never having met Edwards before this debate:

Mr. Vice President, your pants are on fire

This guy's pathological, maybe he has a case of Pump Head.

He meant on the senate floor not the annual prayer breakfast.

His voting record, remember that was about his missing meetings in the senate. The annual prayer breakfast isn't a senate meeting for voting on issues.

After the debate, Mrs. Edwards was on-stage and reminded Cheney of having previously met Sen. Edwards. Cheney's response? "Oh yeah"

Edwards was making hay of this at a post-debate rally in Cleveland.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: Painman

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Painman
Whoever regurgitated Cheney's comment about never having met Edwards before this debate:

Mr. Vice President, your pants are on fire

This guy's pathological, maybe he has a case of Pump Head.

That doesn't mean they have actually spoken to each other. If Edwards had met Cheney, he would have said so. I mean, his entire debate was about the administration's lies after all.

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY DELIVERS REMARKS AT NATIONAL PRAYER BREAKFAST FEBRUARY 1, 2001 SPEAKER: VICE PRESIDENT RICHARD B. CHENEY [*] CHENEY: Thank you. Thank you very much. Congressman Watts, Senator Edwards, friends from across America and distinguished visitors to our country from all over the world, Lynne and I honored to be with you all this morning. I've always counted myself fortunate to have been raised in a part of the country where the Almighty chose to do some of his finest work.

Nice try.

Talk about lies and distortions of the truth. Here ladies and gentlemen we are witnessing what is commonly refered to as a partisan hack.

You are I'm sure well aware that Dick Cheney acknowledging Edwards attendance at the Annual Prayer Breakfast does not have anything to do with Edward's missing meetings at the Senate. Dick Cheney was saying he is frequently at the Senate meetings and has never met Edwards THERE.

terrible try.

 

[miketheidiot]

i like how chenney was completely full of sh!t

 

[eclavatar]

Liberals are focusing on it because thats really all they have.

Cheney could have just as easily said "I've only met you once before today Mr. Edwards and wasn't there"

i like how chenney was completely full of sh!t

Gotta love your wise insight. :roll:

 

[element]

Spin you want to talk about spin? This is about Edward's missing 33 out of 36 meetings in the Senate. The point Cheney is making is Edwards is hardly ever in attendance of those meetings, so you want to avoid that fact and turn this into something it's not on a technicality that they "met" at a breakfast which btw is not a meeting about issues that pertain to his voting record in the senate.

Pathetic how you try and spin and accuse others of that very same thing. Difference is you're the only one that avoided the real issue, Edwards is the Senator Gone!

 

[eclavatar]

Well liberals are losing hope. They really know Kerry/Edwards won't win this election.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Cheney schooled that boy!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Cheney schooled that boy!

Spreading your exaggerations here, too, eh?

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: element

Originally posted by: Painman

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Painman
Whoever regurgitated Cheney's comment about never having met Edwards before this debate:

Mr. Vice President, your pants are on fire

This guy's pathological, maybe he has a case of Pump Head.

That doesn't mean they have actually spoken to each other. If Edwards had met Cheney, he would have said so. I mean, his entire debate was about the administration's lies after all.

VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY DELIVERS REMARKS AT NATIONAL PRAYER BREAKFAST FEBRUARY 1, 2001 SPEAKER: VICE PRESIDENT RICHARD B. CHENEY [*] CHENEY: Thank you. Thank you very much. Congressman Watts, Senator Edwards, friends from across America and distinguished visitors to our country from all over the world, Lynne and I honored to be with you all this morning. I've always counted myself fortunate to have been raised in a part of the country where the Almighty chose to do some of his finest work.

Nice try.

Talk about lies and distortions of the truth. Here ladies and gentlemen we are witnessing what is commonly refered to as a partisan hack.

You are I'm sure well aware that Dick Cheney acknowledging Edwards attendance at the Annual Prayer Breakfast does not have anything to do with Edward's missing meetings at the Senate. Dick Cheney was saying he is frequently at the Senate meetings and has never met Edwards THERE.

terrible try.

:laugh: :roll:

Originally posted by: Dick Cheney
The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight.

What part of that completely literal, contextual (and false) statement are you failing to understand?

Originally posted by: element
Here ladies and gentlemen we are witnessing what is commonly refered to as a partisan hack.

You hit the nail on the head, bro! :thumbsup:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Cheney schooled that boy!

Spreading your exaggerations here, too, eh?

Exaggerations? What exaggerations?

Im fired up about the Republican ticket, especially after watching Edwards get steamrolled.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: element
Spin you want to talk about spin? This is about Edward's missing 33 out of 36 meetings in the Senate. The point Cheney is making is Edwards is hardly ever in attendance of those meetings, so you want to avoid that fact and turn this into something it's not on a technicality that they "met" at a breakfast which btw is not a meeting about issues that pertain to his voting record in the senate.

Pathetic how you try and spin and accuse others of that very same thing. Difference is you're the only one that avoided the real issue, Edwards is the Senator Gone!

His point wouldn't of been more than a fart in the wind if he hadn't concluded that with NEVER meeting Edwards before and meeting him for the first time at the debate. You understand the word NEVER right? By his comment of saying he never met Edwards was meant to lead people to believe that he was NEVER around and did nothing. Cheney would've been better off saying he never saw Edward on the senate floor till this day or something along those lines. That doesn't deliver quite the punch that NEVER meeting him before leaves.

I know the point Cheney was trying to make but that point was automatically forgotten when he starts lieing to try to prove his point. I don't contend that Edwards missed his meetings but don't try to say that Cheney meant on the Senate floor when it is crystal clear that he wasn't being specific to a location.

 

[eclavatar]

Only problem is he didn't actually lie. It sounded like he didn't even remember seeing him at the prayer breakfast.

It's not like he had specific lines written down on a piece of paper like Kerry did.

 

[abaez]

I thought it was funny on the gay marriage question - cheney says leave it up to the states but then talks about massachusets and how bush thinks it's the wrong direction so he goes for the amendment. So which is it, leave it up to the states or what the president thinks is the wrong way to go?

 

[FreakyGuy]

Who of the VP candidates would you want as your new president in unforseen circumstances?

My vote Cheney.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

the kind of sad truth about this is that Cheney in many ways showed he himself is a better candidate than Bush for president. You want your VP to be your right-hand man, not one that will overshadow you. Cheney has stayed well away from the spotlight, but tonight he may have merely exemplified Bush's own faults. After watching the debate, I now know Kerry is a far better choice for commander-in-chief than Edwards. It's clear Kerry has the experience and wisdom necessary to do the job, Edwards clearly does not. That is why Edwards is running for VP, not president.

 

[Southernson]

I'm from North Carolina and Edwards would have touble buying a vote in this state. The majority of people in this state feel he has done NOTHING to represent us. They also feel very bitter and betrayed by him. He has not accomplished one thing he promised in his campain for Senate. The general feeling here is he only ran for Senate to get exposure for a run for President! What the Vice-President said is absolutly true. He has been campaining since he arrived in DC. I'm afraid he's an all talk and do nothing individual as is his running mate.

 

[Steve Guilliot]

Originally posted by: element
Cheney destroyed Edwards on foreign policy issues and Edwards wins the domestic part of the debate by a hair.

I say by a hair because Cheney made a good point about taxes being increased on small business by the Kerry/Edwards plan and small business being responsible for 7/10 new jobs. Therefore their tax increases will hurt the job market and economy.

The tax cuts Kerry/Edwards would roll back are on INDIVIDUALS making $200k and up. Cheney was wrong. There isn't even a corresponding tax cut on businesses to roll back.

Reagan (and now Bush) showed us how Trickle Down Economics is a FAILED STRATEGY. Seems the only people supporting it are rich or stupid (if you're GOP, you could be either). Which are you?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Steve Guilliot

Originally posted by: element
Cheney destroyed Edwards on foreign policy issues and Edwards wins the domestic part of the debate by a hair.

I say by a hair because Cheney made a good point about taxes being increased on small business by the Kerry/Edwards plan and small business being responsible for 7/10 new jobs. Therefore their tax increases will hurt the job market and economy.

The tax cuts Kerry/Edwards would roll back are on INDIVIDUALS making $200k and up. Cheney was wrong. There isn't even a corresponding tax cut on businesses to roll back.

Reagan (and now Bush) showed us how Trickle Down Economics is a FAILED STRATEGY. Seems the only people supporting it are rich or stupid (if you're GOP, you could be either). Which are you?

You don't think that there are plenty of SB owners that make 200k that use their own personal capital to expand?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Steve Guilliot

Originally posted by: element
Cheney destroyed Edwards on foreign policy issues and Edwards wins the domestic part of the debate by a hair.

I say by a hair because Cheney made a good point about taxes being increased on small business by the Kerry/Edwards plan and small business being responsible for 7/10 new jobs. Therefore their tax increases will hurt the job market and economy.

The tax cuts Kerry/Edwards would roll back are on INDIVIDUALS making $200k and up. Cheney was wrong. There isn't even a corresponding tax cut on businesses to roll back.

Reagan (and now Bush) showed us how Trickle Down Economics is a FAILED STRATEGY. Seems the only people supporting it are rich or stupid (if you're GOP, you could be either). Which are you?

Obviosly you dont understand. MOST small businesses are run by individuals, they arent even corporations. So the INDIVIDUAL pays the taxes for the small business.

 

[Moonbeam]

Everybody knows that the rich are our finest people. They are the 2 to 5 percent with brains and gift. And the more you milk them the more they will produce because they value money above all else.

 

[Mockery]

Originally posted by: Steve Guilliot

Originally posted by: element
Cheney destroyed Edwards on foreign policy issues and Edwards wins the domestic part of the debate by a hair.

I say by a hair because Cheney made a good point about taxes being increased on small business by the Kerry/Edwards plan and small business being responsible for 7/10 new jobs. Therefore their tax increases will hurt the job market and economy.

The tax cuts Kerry/Edwards would roll back are on INDIVIDUALS making $200k and up. Cheney was wrong. There isn't even a corresponding tax cut on businesses to roll back.

Reagan (and now Bush) showed us how Trickle Down Economics is a FAILED STRATEGY. Seems the only people supporting it are rich or stupid (if you're GOP, you could be either). Which are you?

Exactly which tax are they talking about here?

Are they talking about rolling back tax dividends ..if so, that affects a lot of people that make under 200 k a year

I can vouch first hand that this measure would cost me more money, and I am in the lowest tax bracket there is.