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**OFFICIAL** who won the CHENEY/EDWARD debate

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Originally posted by: Infohawk

HUH? Cheney didn't even respond. He didn't even use the time given to him. How can you say he responded with facts? Halliburton response: NOTHING.
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I thought it was smart of him--when Cheney didn't have facts to present, he gave the floor to Edwards, who repeated the same line every time he had a spare 30 seconds.

I'd rather have Cheney not say anything (shows me that he's stated what's true and doesn't have any need to go into useless talk) and let Edwards attempt to make up for a question he missed earlier.
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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Infohawk

HUH? Cheney didn't even respond. He didn't even use the time given to him. How can you say he responded with facts? Halliburton response: NOTHING.
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You sure you watched the debate there "Info" as I remember his response to Halliburton, condensed it was to the effect that like much of Edwards other comments it was bs diversion from real issues...really loved it when Cheney socked it to Edwards with his tax loophole usage, wonder if Edwards predicted that as right after he was doing a good amount of damage control...too funny
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How is saying it's a diversion a response? Do you understnad that to respond to the charges he would have to explain how it wasn't true? Simply attacking your opponent's motive isn't a counter-argument
 
Originally posted by: conjur
I wouldn't go that far. I was, though, almost expect a bit of spittle from Edwards' mouth. He's used to standing up and being more animated and this format constrained him and it showed at first.
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His hands were very shaky in the beginning and also his voice sounded somewhat shakey as well, Cheney also seemed a little nervous but calmed down rather quickly....

I honestly thought in terms of animation Edwards did much better job of not fidgeting too much whereas Cheney constantly was playing with his pen and also kneading his hands, not something I consider great composure...but his speech patterns and what not were much calmer and more direct than Edwards...
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
How is saying it's a diversion a response? Do you understnad that to respond to the charges he would have to explain how it wasn't true? Simply attacking your opponent's motive isn't a counter-argument
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Explain it in either a 90 second or a 30 second response time....please, Edwards was diverting plain and simple, Cheney called him on it and ignored it...good move on Cheney's part.
 
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: Infohawk

HUH? Cheney didn't even respond. He didn't even use the time given to him. How can you say he responded with facts? Halliburton response: NOTHING.
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You sure you watched the debate there "Info" as I remember his response to Halliburton, condensed it was to the effect that like much of Edwards other comments it was bs diversion from real issues...really loved it when Cheney socked it to Edwards with his tax loophole usage, wonder if Edwards predicted that as right after he was doing a good amount of damage control...too funny
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Edwards answered that he paid all of the taxes that he was required, should he have paid extra? Haliburton isn't a diversion it's an justifiable question of conflict of interest and business ethics. Paying the required taxes is one thing, fleecing the goverment and American people is another. Am I a criminal because I write off my mortgage interest? No, but if I have a no-bid contract w Uncle Sam and change $500 for a roll of toliet paper I am.
 
Edwards


And just in case all the "liberal media" gets it wrong, here ya go...

www.foxnews.com

Who won Tuesday night's vice presidential debate?

a. Vice President Cheney (41%)
16,445


b. Senator Edwards (57%)
22,621


c. I did not watch (1%)
228


d. None of the above (1%)
345


39,639 total votes
 
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: conjur
I wouldn't go that far. I was, though, almost expect a bit of spittle from Edwards' mouth. He's used to standing up and being more animated and this format constrained him and it showed at first.
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His hands were very shaky in the beginning and also his voice sounded somewhat shakey as well, Cheney also seemed a little nervous but calmed down rather quickly....

I honestly thought in terms of animation Edwards did much better job of not fidgeting too much whereas Cheney constantly was playing with his pen and also kneading his hands, not something I consider great composure...but his speech patterns and what not were much calmer and more direct than Edwards...
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would you stop checkin out the candidates and instead, listen to wtf they were saying? i know it's hard for your kind...but wtf???


 
Would someone please find all of these in the morning or tomorrow afternoon and then report them? They just came out!?!?!
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Edwards


And just in case all the "liberal media" gets it wrong, here ya go...

www.foxnews.com

Who won Tuesday night's vice presidential debate?

a. Vice President Cheney (41%)
16,445


b. Senator Edwards (57%)
22,621


c. I did not watch (1%)
228


d. None of the above (1%)
345


39,639 total votes
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And you think ACT or other whacked-out leftist groups can't flood their poll too?

CsG
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What you call composure or gravitas I call emotionally dead. I could see who Edwards was and I liked the person I saw. With Cheney I saw a zero behind a mask. What it amounts to is ones personal capacity to judge other people. I have learned over time and with much experience to trust mine. I will therefore defer to my opinion. 😀
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So you like a parrot? someone with nothing new to add than their canned campaign speil? Edwards was slightly more animated, but also he came of as rather nervous, insecure in the beginning, and often times on the defensive with little or nothing to say wheras he SHOULD have been on the offensive all of the time...Cheney came off as highly knowledgable, calm composure, reasoned and articulate responses, and more times than Edwards direct in answering...also an ability to comprehend the "rules" and follow them didn't hurt either. Sorry but on this we will have to agree to disagree as I think while Edwards didn't do poorly, he certainly didn't come off well either....at best I would call it a draw and for the first time in a while I would agree with conjur in saying Cheney won by a very small margin...but on the whole was alot better performer tonight and had much better reasoned responses than the parroted garbage by Edwards.
 
I thought that Edwards started off slow but that was because Ifill gave 30 extensions to two Cheney questions but not to Edwards' first two questions to start on foreign policy. Why have 30sec extensions on qualifications of Edwards on top of the 2mins and 90sec when Cheney didn't even want to respond but no extension on health care or jobs?
Cheney talked about primary education and no child left behind when the question was job loss and poverty. what?
Hopefully, the clip where Edwards pointed out that Cheney lobbied on behalf of his company Halliburton to lift sanctions against Iran will be played over and over again. Cheney did not repond to this charge other then to say yes, we wanted US companies to do well and didn't want them to disarm unilaterally.

Edwards finished stronger and thus squeaked out the win.
 
Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
Edwards answered that he paid all of the taxes that he was required, should he have paid extra? Haliburton isn't a diversion it's an justifiable question of conflict of interest and business ethics. Paying the required taxes is one thing, fleecing the goverment and American people is another. Am I a criminal because I write off my mortgage interest? No, but if I have a no-bid contract w Uncle Sam and change $500 for a roll of toliet paper I am.
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Edwards only said that he paid taxes and that if anyone took advantage of loopholes then Cheney isn't one to talk...I would be more interested in seeing raw numbers of what Edwards did in fact pay or take advantage of and wouldn't be surprised if he abused the system to his gain as many wealthy tend to do....with Halliburton I think we all really need more info on exactly how Cheney was involved if at all, personally I think this is alot of crap on both sides but clearly Edwards was not prepaired for that slam at all and stumbled with a response.
 
Originally posted by: Pers

would you stop checkin out the candidates and instead, listen to wtf they were saying? i know it's hard for your kind...but wtf???
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Pers, good to see you are living up to your usual standards...keep up the good work, always need more lefties looking like the bafoons that they are 🙂
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Something to note:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1236162/posts

The Freepers are intentionally skewing the online polls to Edwards to make them unusable as news tomorrow.
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on a side note I enjoyed how CNN commentators complained about the campaign reps and what not getting out trying to push the media towards their candidates...really I think that is crap and should be shunned...let people decide on their own who did better rather than coercing the sheep with the media's coerced take on who did better...virtually everyone I watched who discussed it was calling it a tie and that both parties would be happy...something with which I agree.
 
All CNN has to do is go to their own analysts and shun the campaign reps.

Pretty simple.

Sure would be nice if the American media claimed some responsibility for what they report.
 
Originally posted by: wiin
Like they did in the Bush/kerry debate, the DNC again e-mailed people to flood the online polls, e-mail boxes and the newspapers with messages that edwards is the winner in the debate.
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The RNC did the same thing. I got their email, too.
 
Originally posted by: wiin
Like they did in the Bush/kerry debate, the DNC again e-mailed people to flood the online polls, e-mail boxes and the newspapers with messages that edwards is the winner in the debate.
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repubs tried doing the same thing.....pretty low class if you ask me on either side.
 
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