Official Week 5 NFL Thread **well that escalated quickly!**

[zinfamous]

no they arent, the eagles are in the lead now. had they lost yesterday, THEN they would have been playing for it lol.

also heard another stat yesterday about the NFCE.

the division as a whole has 4 wins, and 2 are in the division.

the other 2 wins outside the division? the raiders (with matt flynn at the helm) and the rams. LOL.

oh derp, I forgot that the Eagles needed to lose 🙁

 

[IndyColtsFan]

here is a GIF that shows it way better than that shitty ass SS

4 things.

1. quarterbacks(good qbs) progress from long to short, which you can see him do

2. dude is open by ~2 steps which is WIDE OPEN in the NFL when he gets to that progression. yes the safety is back there, and the other LB, but the LB doesnt get there till the guy is 2 steps after the INT.

3. during his throwing motion his oline is knocked back and his foot gets in the way of Romos step into the throw, and his follow thru is cutoff by being hit as he releases

4. it was 48-48, the only thing stopping scoring was the end of regulation, Id call that do or die 😛

the only reason the headline is about a qb meltdown is b/c its romo.

where is all the press for bradys 2 4th quarter picks? why I cant easily find a GIF of them? or nary a mention of it in media coverage

Thanks, I saw that GIF this morning but couldn't find it again to post so I had to settle for that SS.

#3 is what I said happened -- pressure caused Romo to cut his follow through off. You're right though, the guy was more wide open than I originally remembered. The throw was also much worse than I remembered too.

The reason you don't hear about Brady, Brees, or Manning throwing game losing INTs and having "meltdowns" is because they don't make a habit of it. Yes, every QB has bad games and yes, even the great ones lose games on bad throws. When the Broncos lost in the playoffs last year, I said Manning deserved part of the blame but not all of it. Similarly, I don't think Romo deserves all the blame here but he certainly does deserve some. Romo makes a habit of these late game miscues and I think it is a mental block with him. As I told dougp, look back at this thread and several of us predicted Romo would throw an INT to end the game. We didn't just pull that prediction out of thin air, we've seen Romo's miscues cause the Cowboys numerous games. Like I also mentioned, go back to the thread last year where they were playing Washington for the division title. From what I recall, Romo played poorly but they still had a chance to win it when he threw a horrific pass right to a beloved patriot.

You Cowboys fans are misunderstanding me. I generally think Romo is a very good QB. I'd never bet on him to win a big game though esp. if it was close.

EDIT: Also, in your GIF, watch Romo's head. He looked off the receiver on the left and then proceeded to telegraph his pass the entire way.

 

[dougp]

...which is the reason why, in my opinion, Romo would never be great...just very good, or just good.

I mean, every QB has thrown INTs at bad times, but not religiously as Romo has, and not in playoff games as he has either.

Peyton Manning?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Peyton Manning?

The difference being that Peyton Manning took two Colts teams to the SB whereas Romo has not a single Cowboys team.

 

[dougp]

The difference being that Peyton Manning took two Colts teams to the SB whereas Romo has not a single Cowboys team.

Yup, but I don't remember Peyton getting called out prior to his SB wins OTHER than during the playoffs.

 

[Adrenaline]

Freeman is not good. I laughed when I heard the Vikings signed him.

The loss yesterday fell on the defense. How do you score 48 points and lose in the NFL? Romo and manning were great to watch.

If I was a Cowboys fan, I would be happy about what I saw yesterday but then be mad at the same time. Where has this offense been? Why do they only show up when needed to score a ton of points? The Cowboys need to play with urgency all the time like that. The Cowboys have played to the level of their competition all year, they need to stop that and play line they did yesterday all the time.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Yup, but I don't remember Peyton getting called out prior to his SB wins OTHER than during the playoffs.

I really don't understand your point. Can you point to multiple games where Manning had meltdowns OUTSIDE of the playoffs? Even in the playoffs, if you look at his losses, he played well (rating at 80 or above) in 7 of the 11 losses. If Manning were throwing fourth quarter interceptions regularly to lose division titles or chances at beating unbeaten teams, I guarantee you would've heard about it.

Can you point to multiple *important* games where Brady or Brees had meltdowns and cause these issues?

I don't even know why you're arguing with me to be honest, as I've said Romo shares some, but not all, of the blame for this loss. His defense was definitely more to blame.

 

[Ban Bot]

Freeman is not good. I laughed when I heard the Vikings signed him.

He is better than Ponder (absolutely horrible at this point) and has more upside than Cassell. The problem is coming in midseason there is not much hope outside a vanilla offense.

I hope this works, though, as this is the last move of note during Peterson's prime. If Freeman fails by the time they get someone else in it will all be over. And as a selfish fan of great football I want to see Peterson on a team where the D has to respect the passing game.

If I was a Cowboys fan, I would be happy about what I saw yesterday but then be mad at the same time. Where has this offense been? Why do they only show up when needed to score a ton of points? The Cowboys need to play with urgency all the time like that. The Cowboys have played to the level of their competition all year, they need to stop that and play line they did yesterday all the time.

If you are a Cowboy fan you have to feel good about them winning the division at least. They are obviously the best team in the division. If they don't win they must can the coach. Hopefully that game lights a fire in the Cowboys... of course as a Seachickens fan I would rather see the Giants or Eagles. (Not the Redskins because I have a feeling a D player would like to give payback.)

 

[dougp]

I really don't understand your point. Can you point to multiple games where Manning had meltdowns OUTSIDE of the playoffs? Even in the playoffs, if you look at his losses, he played well (rating at 80 or above) in 7 of the 11 losses. If Manning were throwing fourth quarter interceptions regularly to lose division titles or chances at beating unbeaten teams, I guarantee you would've heard about it.

Can you point to multiple *important* games where Brady or Brees had meltdowns and cause these issues?

I don't even know why you're arguing with me to be honest, as I've said Romo shares some, but not all, of the blame for this loss. His defense was definitely more to blame.

Why are you arguing with me?

 

[rudeguy]

I think its important that I admit how wrong I was in my predictions:

I said the Lions Packers was going to be the game to watch. Boy was I wrong. Lions played like shit and the Packers weren't all that much better. It was like watching the old Lions.

I said that Dallas had no chance of beating Denver. I was very wrong. While they did lose, they had a very good chance of winning. Still in shock over how great that was.

I'm still calling tonight's game the Toilet Bowl. I wish they had moved a different game to tonight.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Why are you arguing with me?

I'm not. You're wondering why Peyton "wasn't called out" except for playoffs. I'm asking you why he should've been.

 

[zinfamous]

I think its important that I admit how wrong I was in my predictions:

I said the Lions Packers was going to be the game to watch. Boy was I wrong. Lions played like shit and the Packers weren't all that much better. It was like watching the old Lions.

I said that Dallas had no chance of beating Denver. I was very wrong. While they did lose, they had a very good chance of winning. Still in shock over how great that was.

I'm still calling tonight's game the Toilet Bowl. I wish they had moved a different game to tonight.

nah, toilet bowl was last thursday.

 

[dougp]

I'm not. You're wondering why Peyton "wasn't called out" except for playoffs. I'm asking you why he should've been.

Sorry ICF, I have more to do than go through all records of PM to see what he was like during the regular season - but I don't remember him ever being perfect. Every QB has their share of losses, period. The only reason Romo is being called out is because he's the QB of the Cowboys.

 

[zinfamous]

One boneheaded play, maybe, at the worst possible time, but I can't, for the life of me, put that on Romo. Snap after snap through that entire game, he kept that team competitive.

The Cowboys played better in that game--from Dez to Whiten to Romo--than they have in years. If anything--why weren't they running with Murray in that field position so late in the game?

When your defense gives up 48 points, it really doesn't matter what happens at that point--it is always the defense's fault. Denver is a phenomenal offense, but you've got to expect that even if they were playing average, they should be able to limit the Broncos to 30 or 33 points. Likewise to Denver's D. Seriously--weren't these guys supposed to be one of the elite defenses this year?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

nah, toilet bowl was last thursday.

Anyone who uses the phrase "Toilet Bowl" in a game that does not feature the Jacksonville Jaguars is automatically wrong. You just are. They have a real opportunity to set virtually every mark for futility and go down as the single worst team in NFL history. A "Toilet Bowl" has to feature them. They have games against the Bills and Browns this year, but really, the Toilet Bowl has to be their game against the Raiders. One of the worst teams in the NFL this year versus potentially the worst team in NFL history in the worst stadium in the league (which was half baseball diamond at the time)? Yeah. That's your Toilet Bowl.

 

[rudeguy]

One boneheaded play, maybe, at the worst possible time, but I can't, for the life of me, put that on Romo. Snap after snap through that entire game, he kept that team competitive.

The Cowboys played better in that game--from Dez to Whiten to Romo--than they have in years. If anything--why weren't they running with Murray in that field position so late in the game?

When your defense gives up 48 points, it really doesn't matter what happens at that point--it is always the defense's fault. Denver is a phenomenal offense, but you've got to expect that even if they were playing average, they should be able to limit the Broncos to 30 or 33 points. Likewise to Denver's D. Seriously--weren't these guys supposed to be one of the elite defenses this year?

There were a lot, a very large number of plays, that were defended perfectly but still went for yards or scores. If a QB put the ball in a 6" square that only his receiver can get to, there is no defense for that. I didn't see either defense making huge mistakes. Hardly any blown coverages. Sometimes a quarterback just plays so good that you can't defend against him.

The league is offence minded now. They have made it so defensive players have to play off the receiver and be very careful when hitting them. The receivers are also getting away with a lot more push offs and hand grabbing than every before. DB's are getting flagged for pass interference even when there is none, but it looks like there was. The refs want the receivers to win.

So you take these two things: elite quarterbacks playing at a level of perfection that us mere mortals can't even imagine and refs and the NFL admin making defenses jobs even harder and you have a perfect storm for 100 point games.

 

[lupi]

Apparently the cowgirls have the 2nd best offense so far this year. If only they had a good D coordinator, like the Saints do, maybe they'd be winning more of these games.

 

[Retro Rob]

Peyton Manning?

LOL, Manning isn't known for game-losing picks and FG holding snafu's....I am quite suprised you brought him up.

Sure, Manning hasn't always played top-notch, but he isn't anywhere near as bad as Romo in clutch, high-pressure passing situations.

 

[rudeguy]

LOL, Manning isn't known for game-losing picks and FG holding snafu's....I am quite suprised you brought him up.

Sure, Manning hasn't always played top-notch, but he isn't anywhere near as bad as Romo in clutch, high-pressure passing situations.

hrmmm...how did the Bronco's season end last year?




.....just saying

 

[Retro Rob]

One boneheaded play, maybe, at the worst possible time, but I can't, for the life of me, put that on Romo. Snap after snap through that entire game, he kept that team competitive.

I wouldn't put that game on Romo....it was just one heck of a time to throw a pick when he did.

 

[preslove]

Tony Romo outplayed Peyton Manning last night. Both of them had last minute interceptions.

 

[MagickMan]

Don't worry, if the Broncos had won the game, everyone would be talking about their defense and not Manning's interception.

The Broncos did win the game. 😕

 

[gorcorps]

Tony Romo outplayed Peyton Manning last night. Both of them had last minute interceptions.

😕

I'm all for a good debate and all, but only if it makes sense. Manning's INT came in the 3rd quarter... no where close to being "last minute". I will say that Manning's INT looked worse overall in that it was way underthrown, where Romo didn't miss by all that much and many defenders couldn't pull off that pick.

 

[dougp]

The Broncos did win the game. 😕

Yeah, sorry - I'm tired. You know what I meant, though.

 

[MagickMan]

Tony Romo outplayed Peyton Manning last night. Both of them had last minute interceptions.

Last minute? WTF? 😵 Anyway, Romo was playing the game of his life, he was the best QB in the league yesterday, while Manning was playing just an average game (for him). Sometimes the stars align and a player performs better than you'd think they're capable of, but on average Peyton is a much more gifted leader and strategist than Romo. He simply makes better choices, on average. The game-losing INT was Romo going to the well once too often.

I don't blame him though, he did the best he could with the abilities he has, and 999 times out of 1000 he would have won that game. The rest of his team let him down, particularly the Cowboys' defense. People can blast Romo all they want, and they will, but "regular" Romo would have imploded in the 3rd quarter, "super" Romo gave them a chance in a game that they had no business being competitive in, but he can't do it all on his own. Not against the best team (best QB) in the NFL.