**OFFICIAL WAR THREAD** 7th Calvary fights off Iraqi attack; Bush seeks 75 billion for war

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
UN Security Council Sets Emergency Debate on Iraq

The debate was set for Wednesday at 3 p.m. and council diplomats said all 191 U.N. members would be invited to speak rather than just the council's 15 member-nations.

It's probably about how to supply aid to the Iraqi civilians. If it's an emergency debate, I can't see them talking about something as complex as the rebuilding of Iraq.

Tell them to watch the news, the humanitarian route is open and the aid that was promised is on the way...

 

[PG]

found this on another message board:

NRO corner:

NEED ANOTHER PICTURE OF EVIL? [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
FNC is reporting that senior defense officials are saying that Iraqi troops dressed as Coalition troops are taking the surrenders of other Iraqi troops. The ones who are surrendering are being executed.
Posted at 03:04 PM

 

[Morph]

Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
FYI - MSNBC has confirmed the uprising in Basra

If you want your post to be taken seriously, please provide a link. Don't expect people here to just take your word for it.

BTW, I just checked the MSNBC site and this story is nowhere to be found. Personally, I'm very skeptical of this story as the Fox report was very vague and just sounds like more propaganda.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Such cnyicism, you doubt the intentions and integrity of the UN? LMAO They are still trying to inject themselves into this situation when they have already been shown their importance. More than likely they all want to make sure they get a piece of the rebuilding pie, sorry, but I feel the coalition forces have every right to control the rebuilding process. Your opposition was noted, your lack of support as well, your wish to remain at arms length was granted and it will stay that way.

Like the country belongs to the US - not even I believe that. Its not "your pie" - its the Iraqi's.

Andy

No the country doesn't belong to the US, how did my reference to "coalition" become US only?
Those that made the sacrifice and effort should be in charge, and will be thankfully, of restoring the country to an even better level than when they arrived.

 

[Alistar7]

I love how the rest of the world has no problem not supporting the war, not sending any support, but when it comes time for some money to be made with rebuilding, oh yeah, we HAVE to be a part.....LMAO

 

[Fencer128]

No the country doesn't belong to the US, how did my reference to "coalition" become US only?
Those that made the sacrifice and effort should be in charge, and will be thankfully, of restoring the country to an even better level than when they arrived.

I meant coalition - I nearly always get that right! Those who made the sacrifice should leave the decisions to the country they just liberated - or in the absence of a proper government an international body.

Andy

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
FYI - MSNBC has confirmed the uprising in Basra

If you want your post to be taken seriously, please provide a link. Don't expect people here to just take your word for it.

BTW, I just checked the MSNBC site and this story is nowhere to be found. Personally, I'm very skeptical of this story as the Fox report was very vague and just sounds like more propaganda.

you need to look on the front page. Look at the scrolling text above the picture. Foxnews.com is not the only site stating this.

 

[Milkman95]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
FYI - MSNBC has confirmed the uprising in Basra

If you want your post to be taken seriously, please provide a link. Don't expect people here to just take your word for it.

BTW, I just checked the MSNBC site and this story is nowhere to be found. Personally, I'm very skeptical of this story as the Fox report was very vague and just sounds like more propaganda.

Please ignore him and continue posting up-to-the minute info that is being shown on TV for those who do not have it at work. As much as i like conformation links.. someone has to type those first.

Thanks

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Morph

Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
FYI - MSNBC has confirmed the uprising in Basra

If you want your post to be taken seriously, please provide a link. Don't expect people here to just take your word for it.

BTW, I just checked the MSNBC site and this story is nowhere to be found. Personally, I'm very skeptical of this story as the Fox report was very vague and just sounds like more propaganda.

The BBC video feed had an interview with one of their reporters in the field and confirmed the whole situation. They showed video of some Iraqi vehicles burned out from bombing as they tried a counterattack but failed.

BBC News article

 

[Alistar7]

THEY WILL HOLD ELECTIONS ANDY, the people of Iraq willbe given FULL control of their own country, FINALLY...

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

No the country doesn't belong to the US, how did my reference to "coalition" become US only?
Those that made the sacrifice and effort should be in charge, and will be thankfully, of restoring the country to an even better level than when they arrived.

I meant coalition - I nearly always get that right! Those who made the sacrifice should leave the decisions to the country they just liberated - or in the absence of a proper government an international body.

Andy

Why? The UN didn't want to help the Iraqi's (I'm talking about the citizens) prior to the war, so why should we give them the privilege of decisions afterwards?

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
I love how the rest of the world has no problem not supporting the war, not sending any support, but when it comes time for some money to be made with rebuilding, oh yeah, we HAVE to be a part.....LMAO

Tony Blair has been talking of the UN acting to hold money in trust for the Iraqi's in a fund only they and not the US etc has access to.

Answer me this - what if - for whatever reason - the Iraqi's don't want the US/UK/coalition to be involved in rebuilding?

Andy

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

No the country doesn't belong to the US, how did my reference to "coalition" become US only?
Those that made the sacrifice and effort should be in charge, and will be thankfully, of restoring the country to an even better level than when they arrived.

I meant coalition - I nearly always get that right! Those who made the sacrifice should leave the decisions to the country they just liberated - or in the absence of a proper government an international body.

Andy

And the US&friends did that in Afghanistan, right? We just blew their country up and left, right?

They seem to be happy over there, after the US&friends a) liberated them and b) installed a new gov't.

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
THEY WILL HOLD ELECTIONS ANDY, the people of Iraq willbe given FULL control of their own country, FINALLY...

I just love the way you reply before someone gets a response to your last point out.

When you've discoverd how to turn off caps lock, you might want to stop posting points like that back at me - as I do know this. It doesn't change the fact that they should be deciding who does what and not the coalition.

Andy

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Fencer128

No the country doesn't belong to the US, how did my reference to "coalition" become US only?
Those that made the sacrifice and effort should be in charge, and will be thankfully, of restoring the country to an even better level than when they arrived.

I meant coalition - I nearly always get that right! Those who made the sacrifice should leave the decisions to the country they just liberated - or in the absence of a proper government an international body.

Andy

And the US&friends did that in Afghanistan, right? We just blew their country up and left, right?

They seem to be happy over there, after the US&friends a) liberated them and b) installed a new gov't.

Did I say everyone left??? I said they should be left to make their own descisions. Just slightly different

Andy

 

[Czar]

in relation to this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2886235.stm
I found this
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=276799&contrassID=1&subContrassID=8&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
THEY WILL HOLD ELECTIONS ANDY, the people of Iraq willbe given FULL control of their own country, FINALLY...

ummm, I don't think the US plans on installing a full democracy right away. Though I'm glad you bought into the hype.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Did I say everyone left??? I said they should be left to make their own descisions. Just slightly different

Andy

Maybe you should a) learn how to properly convey your thoughts (THOSE who made the sacrifice could = US troops? Iraqi people who don't agree with Saddam?) and b) learn how to spell "decision". Since we're getting soooo picky and debating over such important stuff

Link to FoxNews article on Basra uprising

 

[LH]

This may have already been mentioned in the 2795+ posts before this, but does it bother anyone else that well over 50% of our guys out there are in GREEN F*ING CAMO? Hasn't someone told these poor guys that there's no trees out there? Are we that underbudgeted that we can't afford sand fatigues for these guys? They stand out like a frat guy in vegas in every news shot and picture I've seen.

They are wearing sand camo under the green camo bio/chemical suits. If you notice those POWs from the 507 had sand camo and sand boots on. Most of the people wearing the green camo bio/chemical suits over their sand camo are on the front line. And like people said there is fertile green land with trees in Iraq.

 

[LH]

Its not the US playing hardball on the rebuilding of Iraq, Bush even said we would go through the UN. The problem is France, Russia, and China have already said they would veto any resolution that gives the US and UK any role in the rebuilding process. Which is just unacceptable. Thats the reason why the US and UK are drafting plans to do the rebuilding on our own.

 

[Fencer128]

Maybe you should a) learn how to properly convey your thoughts (THOSE who made the sacrifice could = US troops? Iraqi people who don't agree with Saddam?) and b) learn how to spell "decision". Since we're getting soooo picky and debating over such important stuff

I meant coalition - I nearly always get that right! Those who made the sacrifice should leave the decisions to the country they just liberated - or in the absence of a proper government an international body.

Where did I say that the troops should leave? I'm not being picky - I just think you completely misread/misunderstood my post. The highlighted sentence has nothing to do with troops leaving Iraq.

I'm sorry I make spelling mistakes every now and then.

Andy

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: LH
Its not the US playing hardball on the rebuilding of Iraq, Bush even said we would go through the UN. The problem is France, Russia, and China have already said they would veto any resolution that gives the US and UK any role in the rebuilding process. Which is just unacceptable. Thats the reason why the US and UK are drafting plans to do the rebuilding on our own.

I think it the US playing hardball, link

The two UN resolutions being proposed by the UK would firstly deal with the immediate humanitarian issues, including giving the UN authority over the oil-for-food programme in Iraq.

A second resolution would provide authority for the reconstruction and development of Iraq and give a mandate for an interim administration following war.

But according to some reports, UK International Development Secretary Clare Short had a fruitless trip to the US last week in trying to win backing for a UN resolution on reconstructing Iraq.

She warned of "bleak" prospects for Iraq without a UN mandate for the reconstruction of Iraq.

She insisted in the Commons on Monday, however, that "good progress" had been made.

President Chirac, meanwhile, said last week he viewed any such resolution as "justifying the war after the event" - and appeared to warn that France would veto any resolution giving the US and UK the authority to run post-war Iraq.

 

[LH]

Those who made the sacrifice should leave the decisions to the country they just liberated

Do you honestly think the Iraqi people would want the French, Russia, China and Germany doing the rebuilding? Countries that could careless about the Iraqi people. All the care about is money, all are going to be found guilty of illegal weapon sales to Iraq, the UN should condem these 4 countries, but they cant because 3 of the 4 have veto power, and the 4 has a SC vote as well. The UN is a joke when countries just do things that are illegal under UN resolutions. If you dont want the US and UK involved in the rebuilding process, France, Russia, China and Germany shouldnt be involved in the rebuilding process either. All prior oil contract need to be null and void as well. $2-3 per barrel of oil is a fvcking joke(Frances oil deal)

 

[LH]

I think it the US playing hardball, link

France, Russia and China said about a week ago they would veto ANY resolution that gave the US a role in rebuilding Iraq. We would gladly go to the UN if France, Russia and China get condemded for their illegal arms sales to Iraq, and are punished for doing so. If the US doesnt have the right to rebuild Iraq, France, Russia, China and Germany sure as hell dont either. All sides involved in this are fvcking greedy. Does France, Russia, China and Germany care about Iraq? Hell no, they care about the money they are owed, plus their oil deals that would rob the new Iraq out of trillions of dollars.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

Maybe you should a) learn how to properly convey your thoughts (THOSE who made the sacrifice could = US troops? Iraqi people who don't agree with Saddam?) and b) learn how to spell "decision". Since we're getting soooo picky and debating over such important stuff

I meant coalition - I nearly always get that right! Those who made the sacrifice should leave the decisions to the country they just liberated - or in the absence of a proper government an international body.

Where did I say that the troops should leave? I'm not being picky - I just think you completely misread/misunderstood my post. The highlighted sentence has nothing to do with troops leaving Iraq.

I'm sorry I make spelling mistakes every now and then.

Andy

I had translated your statement as: "The coalition should leave the decision making to Iraq after they have liberated it". Hence, Iraq would be left on its own to govern itself w/out the coalition. Simple misunderstanding...