**OFFICIAL WAR THREAD** 7th Calvary fights off Iraqi attack; Bush seeks 75 billion for war

[conjur]

Originally posted by: jahawkin
I don't know if its been posted on this looooong thread, but Al-Jazeera has a new english site here.

Thanks!

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: conjur
Reuters Raw Video

nice link

 

[Krk3561]

Quote from Al Jazeera's front page:

Al Jazeera - objective and balanced global news coverage and analysis

LOL, yeah and Iraq is going to win this war

 

[conjur]

Yeah...this from an alJazeera article:

In a further dismissal of any suggestion that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein is not still firmly in control of the country, state television on Sunday again showed him meeting members of his inner circle that Washington also wants to assassinate.

No questioning as to the validity of the videotape and whether it was tape before the action started or not.

 

[AbsolutZero]

Originally posted by: jahawkin
I don't know if its been posted on this looooong thread, but Al-Jazeera has a new english site here.

Site not responding. AT effect or E-warfare?

 

[conjur]

ABC News reporting Iraqi troops dressed in US-type uniforms are executing civilians unwilling to join them in fighting.

And that english Aljazeera site is working fine for me.

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: NFS4
What happens if we end up crushing Saddam, taking over Baghdad, lose a couple hundred soldiers, then find out that Saddam didn't have any WOMD?

Major embarrassment.

Then the US would plant WoMD's of their own and make it look like they were there all along.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

The United Nations are the ones that established that Iraq has WMDs......now, who will be at fault?

 

[LocutusX]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

hahahahahaha

(your question about the superiority of the mighty French amuses me)



Google

But when I type "french military victories" I get

google

or is this just a bunch of anti-france manufactured rubbish?

Andy

"But a miffed Canadian student is actually behind a prank that says no documents are found in a Google search for "French military victories."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wogoog133170831mar13,0,2821577.story

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I wonder if the American Forces are going to be blaring Hard Rock towards the Iraqi's prior to attacking them. They did that in Panama and the last Gulf War. Maybe they should be blasting sounds of tanks and Bombs at them for hours prior to attacking them. Maybe even Air Raid Sirens. Anything to rattle the Wags prior to going in for the kill!

hehe

I remember them blaring Ted Nugent from a speaker array attached to a jeep/humvee.

They should repeatedly blast Metallica's "One"

 

[conjur]

Aljazeera thinks it's about oil and Israel

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Tominator

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: NFS4
What happens if we end up crushing Saddam, taking over Baghdad, lose a couple hundred soldiers, then find out that Saddam didn't have any WOMD?

Major embarrassment.

Then the US would plant WoMD's of their own and make it look like they were there all along.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

The United Nations are the ones that established that Iraq has WMDs......now, who will be at fault?

Well, the UN was inspecting to make sure that Iraq had destroyed the weapons (after the resolution was passed back in Oct or Nov) and hasn't turned up anything since inspections started in Dec.

 

[Tominator]

I just found out that one of my nephews is 50 miles from Bagdad....the other is on a carrier just off the coast of Iraq. A neice has just joined the Marines and is headed to basic.

I'm proud. I'm fearful.....and damn near in tears.....

 

[LocutusX]

Despatches from Baghdad:

Since most of you are watching CNN or FOX, neither of which have any journalists in Baghdad, you may have overlooked this report from one of the few western journalists left there:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/889982.asp?0ql=c8p

BBC also has a journie in Baghdad, here is his latest despatch:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2882579.stm

Also if you get the BBC World Service channel (or are using that "hack" to get it for free over the net) there is another videoreporter who is still making regular reports last time i checked.

 

[Chris A]

I'm proud. I'm fearful.....and damn near in tears.....

I'm wishing the best for you and yours... I am proud of them too....

 

[conjur]

MSNBC journalist dispatch...linked

BBC link

ABC has embedded journalists. Doesn't CNN have them, too?

 

[olds]

Has the sedition act ever been repealed or is it still law?


16 May, 1918
The U.S. Sedition Act
United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff. A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917.SECTION 3.


Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....

 

[CigarSmokedByClinton]

For those who are getting their war information primarily from Western/Coalition News agencies, try this link HERE

I've been worried about propaganda since 9/11, and from looking at all available sources and at history, I think that the Coalition governments are definatly propagandizing(word?!?) at least in part. Also look at this site.

There is no such thing as "free" speech when it comes to war.

Open to comments/constructive critisisms.

Cigar

 

[Tripleshot]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Has the sedition act ever been repealed or is it still law?


16 May, 1918
The U.S. Sedition Act
United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff. A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917.SECTION 3.


Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....

Only congress can declare war. That has not been done. In fact, it is posssible what we are doing now is against the law and constitution. I am not sure. I'm sure eventually those questionable postions will be scrutinized. Frankly, I don't care,as long as Saddam, and Al Quada and Osama are obliterated while we wait for answers to those questions.

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Has the sedition act ever been repealed or is it still law?


16 May, 1918
The U.S. Sedition Act
United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff. A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917.SECTION 3.


Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....

Only congress can declare war. That has not been done. In fact, it is posssible what we are doing now is against the law and constitution. I am not sure. I'm sure eventually those questionable postions will be scrutinized. Frankly, I don't care,as long as Saddam, and Al Quada and Osama are obliterated while we wait for answers to those questions.

Congress has declared war a few times. WWII is an example, I cant remember the others at the present moment.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Has the sedition act ever been repealed or is it still law?


16 May, 1918
The U.S. Sedition Act
United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff. A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917.SECTION 3.


Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....

Only congress can declare war. That has not been done. In fact, it is posssible what we are doing now is against the law and constitution. I am not sure. I'm sure eventually those questionable postions will be scrutinized. Frankly, I don't care,as long as Saddam, and Al Quada and Osama are obliterated while we wait for answers to those questions.

Yeah, I know that Congress can only declare war, but can't the president take action for like 30 days before Congress has to actually vote? Something like that

 

[TheWart]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Has the sedition act ever been repealed or is it still law?


16 May, 1918
The U.S. Sedition Act
United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff. A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917.SECTION 3.


Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....

Only congress can declare war. That has not been done. In fact, it is posssible what we are doing now is against the law and constitution. I am not sure. I'm sure eventually those questionable postions will be scrutinized. Frankly, I don't care,as long as Saddam, and Al Quada and Osama are obliterated while we wait for answers to those questions.

Yeah, I know that Congress can only declare war, but can't the president take action for like 30 days before Congress has to actually vote? Something like that

Congress voted to give Bush the option of military action in iraq back in October

 

[Jmman]

Originally posted by: CigarSmokedByClinton
For those who are getting their war information primarily from Western/Coalition News agencies, try this link HERE

I've been worried about propaganda since 9/11, and from looking at all available sources and at history, I think that the Coalition governments are definatly propagandizing(word?!?) at least in part. Also look at this site.

There is no such thing as "free" speech when it comes to war.

Open to comments/constructive critisisms.

Cigar

Well, imho , you have been smoking more than cigars if you go to those two sites for your news.....

The first website is a guys personal website (I am sure that he has incredible inside information though... ) , and the second website has a news story about "The Paypal Saga"..........I didn't even bother to read any further.....

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: TheWart

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Has the sedition act ever been repealed or is it still law?


16 May, 1918
The U.S. Sedition Act
United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff. A portion of the amendment to Section 3 of the Espionage Act of June 15, 1917.SECTION 3.


Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....

Only congress can declare war. That has not been done. In fact, it is posssible what we are doing now is against the law and constitution. I am not sure. I'm sure eventually those questionable postions will be scrutinized. Frankly, I don't care,as long as Saddam, and Al Quada and Osama are obliterated while we wait for answers to those questions.

Yeah, I know that Congress can only declare war, but can't the president take action for like 30 days before Congress has to actually vote? Something like that

Congress voted to give Bush the option of military action in iraq back in October

Damn! Thought I had found a loop hole.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: CigarSmokedByClinton
For those who are getting their war information primarily from Western/Coalition News agencies, try this link HERE

I've been worried about propaganda since 9/11, and from looking at all available sources and at history, I think that the Coalition governments are definatly propagandizing(word?!?) at least in part. Also look at this site.

There is no such thing as "free" speech when it comes to war.

Open to comments/constructive critisisms.

Cigar

Your first link doesn't work.

Your second link . . . you're joking, right?

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Only congress can declare war. That has not been done. In fact, it is posssible what we are doing now is against the law and constitution. I am not sure. I'm sure eventually those questionable postions will be scrutinized. Frankly, I don't care,as long as Saddam, and Al Quada and Osama are obliterated while we wait for answers to those questions.

A while back Congress voted to give Bush power to use military force in Iraq. I'm not sure how long it lasts for, or how much force it authorized, but they voted for something along those lines