***OFFICIAL*** Tom is an IDIOT!!!

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merlocka

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People love to bash THG, but it still keeps churning along.

Everyone in this thread that says they will never go back to THG are full of crap, and you know you are. Once they post the next exclusive (which aren't as common as they once were, but still happen from time to time) you'll be back.


 

AmdInside

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
For those who have not read it yet, here is Thomas Pabst's own commentary within the Radeon 9800XT article:

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Asus Bold Move For Freedom

Finally one graphics card vendor was gutsy enough to go up against NVIDIA's or ATi's "one graphics chip supplier only" policy. From now on, Asus will not only supply graphics cards with NVIDIA chips, but also cards powered by ATi's 3D-solutions. It's the first time since the demise of Diamond, STB or (the 'original') Hercules, in case anyone still remembers those long gone graphics card makers.

Asus deserves a big 'Kudos', as its move to supplying the best of both worlds will definitely benefit the consumer. It won't take long and other vendors will follow suit. This will increase the competition between NVIDIA and ATi and in turn it will bring graphics card prices to a more reasonable level.

Why did it take so long until a 3D card vendor made this commendable move?

After the suicide of 3dfx, the decay of Matrox and the originally rather hapless attempts of ATi to catch up with 3D technology, NVIDIA ruled over its customers with a rather iron fist. Similar to Intel's business model based on trusted ancient despotism, NVIDIA had a very firm grip on those graphics card makers that were interested in making money. NVIDIA made the rules and the GRX-card vendors better followed it. Getting on the bad side of the successful "GPU-Inventor" was not advisable. Guillemot, today better known as "Hercules", had no choice. Once it had started to flirt with ATi, the days of partnership with NVIDIA were over. NVIDIA would not allow any adultery in the lines of its customers.

Today, things are somewhat more relaxed. ATi chips have become a very respectable alternative to NVIDIA's offerings. NVIDIA's former rule of the iron fist doesn't quite work out anymore. NVIDIA is doing it's best to face one PR disaster after another, of course with the strong support of ATi's marketing department, which is doing its best to show that such archaic things as scruples or morals are only for the timid and old-fashioned ones in the business. Then there's us despicable press guys of course, who love to sell dirty stories as our own findings and then get really jiggy with it. I also almost forgot the world's No. 1 philanthropist Gabe Newell, who came down from Olymp to enlighten us with the real deal about NVIDIA chips. Ah, well, thanks for so much clarity, honesty and benevolence! God bless steamy Gabe and innocent ATi, who finally taught us that NVIDIA is actually sponsoring Al Quaida. We were hardly surprised when we heard that NVIDIA's CEO Jen-Hsun Huang has been seen hiding Saddam in his back yard.

I asked Jonney Shih, Asus' CEO, at a recent lunch, if the decision to include ATi chips in the Asus 3D-card portfolio has something to do with NVIDIA's current problems. Jonney, who is famous for his modesty as well as extreme sincerity, told me that Asus would never do such a thing to its valued business partners. In fact, Asus did not start to offer ATi-solutions when NVIDIA was at its worst after the somewhat unsuccessful NV30 launch. However, now that NVIDIA has come back, he and his GRX VP H.C. Hung decided that the time is right.

Does ATi now have reasons to rejoice, anticipating Asus departure from supplying NVIDIA cards? No, Sir! Asus wants to open up and offer the customers both solutions. This is not a transition from ATi to NVIDIA. Asus doesn't want to get out of one restrictive relationship just to jump into another unpleasant situation. The idea is to have both chip makers compete on a level playing field. The new situation should make NVIDIA concentrate on doing what it used to be best at - developing excellent and honest 3D-hardware. ATi might get forced to reduce its staff of marketing people who are fishing for dirty laundry and focus back on R&D engineers instead. In the end, the customer will benefit. Wouldn't that be a nice idea for a change?


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WTF kind of TRASH is this? And he calls himself a professional?

As of this minute, I am pleased to announce that I am removing my bookmark to Tom's web site!

Anyone else care to join me?

PS: I hope this is not entirely OT...

Well, the comment about Gabe is true. Think about it for a second. Valve had Rel50 drivers from NVIDIA. Yet they went all out against NVIDIA on Shader day, why? Because ATI paid them millions. Valve knew the performance difference was marginal:

Quote from Anand:

Although we did provide some insight into the ?next generation? of games with scores from Halo, the real question on everyone?s mind is still Half Life 2 as well as Doom3. The performance crown under Doom3 is still in NVIDIA?s camp apparently, and although the latest drivers have closed the gap significantly, ATI is still ahead in Half Life 2. The numbers we?ve seen indicate that in most tests ATI only holds single digit percentage leads (< 5%), although in some cases ATI manages to pull ahead by double digits.

Yet they proceeded to show all these benchmarks. So basically, Gabe didn't do this presentation out the goodness of this heart to educate consumers. He did it because his company was paid millions by ATI. Even though they knew the performance gap was marginal.

The comment about NVIDIA in the end is correct I believe. Lately, they seem to be driven by their marketing group instead of their engineers (sort of like when 3dfx was around and their marketing was trying to shove the idea down our throats that we did not need 32-bit color). As for ATI, I don't know them that well so I can't say but if you think the fighting is fierce now, oh man I can't imagine how it will be next spring.
 

Need4Speed

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(sort of like when 3dfx was around and their marketing was trying to shove the idea down our throats that we did not need 32-bit color)

lol...wow, that sure took me down memory lane....god all those flame wars over at AGN3d about 3dxf vs. nvidia :) those sure were the days

***reminisces about his 12megger SLI rig***
 

Diable

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: orion7144
You guys kill me.. You can't see the sarcasm in it? You take things way too seriously.

I don't tend to joke around when it comes to terrorists...

Stop crying it was a joke and kinda funny to. I still visit THG every now and then.
 

Creig

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Valve had Rel50 drivers from NVIDIA. Yet they went all out against NVIDIA on Shader day, why? Because ATI paid them millions

Wrong. Their position of not using unreleased BETA drivers was completely correct. There have been too many instances in the past of reviewers being sent BETA drivers for benchmarking that never see the light of day and were specially coded to simply inflate benchmark scores.













Oh, and Tom is an idiot.
 

SickBeast

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You know, I think that by having this discussion we are giving Dr. Tom exactly what he so desperately needs: ATTENTION.
 

solofly

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You hate Tom. Tom doesn't care. I don't think there is any point of going any further with this thread, don't you think...
 

DAPUNISHER

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
You know, I think that by having this discussion we are giving Dr. Tom exactly what he so desperately needs: ATTENTION.
Now someone's gettin' it.

 

Cerb

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It was sarcastic and crude, but I don't see what the big deal is.
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: Dark4ng3l
Anand posted his review as usual, kyle posted nothing. Tom posted an artical about how much intel sucked, etc for making a defective chip. He bashed intel pretty good that they did not give him any info on p4 so his site had nothing when the nda was lifted. He then posted another atical about how much intel sucked bc they did not give him the info on p4 because he was saying they sucked when they really sucked.

Sorry, I can't tell for sure, but are you being sarcastic?