Official Thread of the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games (August 8-24)...

[stupidkid]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Proof being the news reports in China of her competitions last year stating she was ~13 years old?

Sure, if that works for you. But the IOC apparently didn't take that. This issue will probably just stay like this. When their passports (possibly falsified) indicated that they're of age, you can't really argue against it, unless you present proof that the passports are indeed falsified, in which case we get into another discussion...

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Shooks
China should be embarrassed, fucking cheaters

Of course, there are no cheaters in the US of A. Don't be so blind.

Yeah we fake the passports of our athletes every Olympics. And yeah we paid off the judges to give Liukin and Johnson much lower scores then they deserved while turning a blind eye to Chinese mistakes. Your user name is quite appropriate.

Apparently you don't remember America's doping scandals? And where's your proof that China fakes the passports in every Olympics? I don't remember this being an issue in the past years. Oh, maybe I forgot about that just like how you forgot about Marion Jones?

Again, my post was only to point out that there are cheaters in the US. You seem to especially like to bring up claims that's not related to by post. I'm sorry, I picked my username when I was a sophomore in high school and had a lot of respect for the people here, thinking most were smarter than me. Perhaps, I was wrong.

Americans who cheat are an embarrassment to our country. China makes it obvious that they're cheating, and it's a source of national pride.

 

[stupidkid]

Originally posted by: mugs
Americans who cheat are an embarrassment to our country. China makes it obvious that they're cheating, and it's a source of national pride.

How can you say China takes pride in cheaters? Are you saying that the average Chinese citizen is somehow different from the average US citizen? If these gymnasts are indeed proven to be underage, everyone in China will be agry at the government. Please stop making racial remarks like that.

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: mugs
Americans who cheat are an embarrassment to our country. China makes it obvious that they're cheating, and it's a source of national pride.

How can you say China takes pride in cheaters? Are you saying that the average Chinese citizen is somehow different from the average US citizen? If these gymnasts are indeed proven to be underage, everyone in China will be agry at the government. Please stop making racial remarks like that.

Maybe I'm misreading it, but I think his main point is/was the fact that if the Chinese girls are underage, their documents must have been forged by the Chinese Government. You keep bringing up the fact about Marion Jones, doping, etc., which is apples and oranges. And racial remarks? LOL is my only response to that.

 

[ivan2]

Originally posted by: dbk
Anyone catch the baseball game today? link

BEIJING - Our relations with China were nearly broken at the plate.

A near-brawl with our Olympic hosts in a baseball game won 9-1 by the U.S. team Monday night resulted in an unexpected outbreak of tension for the international pastime.

Three members of China's team were ejected from the game.

Two collisions at home plate led to an injury to a Chinese catcher and a confrontation with another.

Related links
Monday's Olympic roundup

An American player was then hit in the head with a pitch. He was rushed to a hospital, where he was diagnosed with a concussion.

"That was the last straw," said U.S. center fielder Nate Schierholtz, another of the principals.

Jim Lefebvre manages China's team, as he once did the Cubs, Brewers and Mariners, and was kicked out by the plate umpire, as were coach Steve Ontiveros and a pitcher.

Davey Johnson manages the U.S. team, as he once did the Dodgers, Reds, Orioles and Mets, and was unhappy that five of his players were hit by pitches, particularly the last one.

Emotions ran high right up to the very last pitch.

In the ninth inning, with his team down 9-0, China catcher Yang Yang hit a home run. He circled the bases with his right arm raised and a finger pointed to the sky.

U.S. relief pitcher Blaine Neal brought the evening to an end by fielding a grounder and tagging out the batter personally, then flipping the ball into China's dugout.

Schierholtz said he and his teammates would have charged the mound if they had been 100 percent sure China's pitcher had hit U.S. right fielder Matt LaPorta in the head on purpose.

"We would have for sure," Schierholtz said. "You hit five guys and you hit our leaders, you're going to pay for it."

:Q

amazed that someone will even get excited about baseball.

 

[stupidkid]

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: mugs
Americans who cheat are an embarrassment to our country. China makes it obvious that they're cheating, and it's a source of national pride.

How can you say China takes pride in cheaters? Are you saying that the average Chinese citizen is somehow different from the average US citizen? If these gymnasts are indeed proven to be underage, everyone in China will be agry at the government. Please stop making racial remarks like that.

Maybe I'm misreading it, but I think his main point is/was the fact that if the Chinese girls are underage, their documents must have been forged by the Chinese Government. You keep bringing up the fact about Marion Jones, doping, etc., which is apples and oranges. And racial remarks? LOL is my only response to that.

Uh, I've brought up doping once. Saying that China (i.e. all Chinese people) takes pride in cheating isn't racial? no?

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: ivan2

Originally posted by: dbk
Anyone catch the baseball game today? link

BEIJING - Our relations with China were nearly broken at the plate.

A near-brawl with our Olympic hosts in a baseball game won 9-1 by the U.S. team Monday night resulted in an unexpected outbreak of tension for the international pastime.

Three members of China's team were ejected from the game.

Two collisions at home plate led to an injury to a Chinese catcher and a confrontation with another.

Related links
Monday's Olympic roundup

An American player was then hit in the head with a pitch. He was rushed to a hospital, where he was diagnosed with a concussion.

"That was the last straw," said U.S. center fielder Nate Schierholtz, another of the principals.

Jim Lefebvre manages China's team, as he once did the Cubs, Brewers and Mariners, and was kicked out by the plate umpire, as were coach Steve Ontiveros and a pitcher.

Davey Johnson manages the U.S. team, as he once did the Dodgers, Reds, Orioles and Mets, and was unhappy that five of his players were hit by pitches, particularly the last one.

Emotions ran high right up to the very last pitch.

In the ninth inning, with his team down 9-0, China catcher Yang Yang hit a home run. He circled the bases with his right arm raised and a finger pointed to the sky.

U.S. relief pitcher Blaine Neal brought the evening to an end by fielding a grounder and tagging out the batter personally, then flipping the ball into China's dugout.

Schierholtz said he and his teammates would have charged the mound if they had been 100 percent sure China's pitcher had hit U.S. right fielder Matt LaPorta in the head on purpose.

"We would have for sure," Schierholtz said. "You hit five guys and you hit our leaders, you're going to pay for it."

:Q

amazed that someone will even get excited about baseball.

shit happens.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: mugs
Americans who cheat are an embarrassment to our country. China makes it obvious that they're cheating, and it's a source of national pride.

How can you say China takes pride in cheaters? Are you saying that the average Chinese citizen is somehow different from the average US citizen? If these gymnasts are indeed proven to be underage, everyone in China will be agry at the government. Please stop making racial remarks like that.

Maybe I'm misreading it, but I think his main point is/was the fact that if the Chinese girls are underage, their documents must have been forged by the Chinese Government. You keep bringing up the fact about Marion Jones, doping, etc., which is apples and oranges. And racial remarks? LOL is my only response to that.

Uh, I've brought up doping once. Saying that China (i.e. all Chinese people) takes pride in cheating isn't racial? no?

Chinese is a race?

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: mugs
Americans who cheat are an embarrassment to our country. China makes it obvious that they're cheating, and it's a source of national pride.

How can you say China takes pride in cheaters? Are you saying that the average Chinese citizen is somehow different from the average US citizen? If these gymnasts are indeed proven to be underage, everyone in China will be agry at the government. Please stop making racial remarks like that.

Maybe I'm misreading it, but I think his main point is/was the fact that if the Chinese girls are underage, their documents must have been forged by the Chinese Government. You keep bringing up the fact about Marion Jones, doping, etc., which is apples and oranges. And racial remarks? LOL is my only response to that.

Uh, I've brought up doping once. Saying that China (i.e. all Chinese people) takes pride in cheating isn't racial? no?

Your name fits you well.

 

[stupidkid]

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: mugs
Americans who cheat are an embarrassment to our country. China makes it obvious that they're cheating, and it's a source of national pride.

How can you say China takes pride in cheaters? Are you saying that the average Chinese citizen is somehow different from the average US citizen? If these gymnasts are indeed proven to be underage, everyone in China will be agry at the government. Please stop making racial remarks like that.

Maybe I'm misreading it, but I think his main point is/was the fact that if the Chinese girls are underage, their documents must have been forged by the Chinese Government. You keep bringing up the fact about Marion Jones, doping, etc., which is apples and oranges. And racial remarks? LOL is my only response to that.

Uh, I've brought up doping once. Saying that China (i.e. all Chinese people) takes pride in cheating isn't racial? no?

Your name fits you well.

Wow, thats the best you can come up with?

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Originally posted by: StormRider
Nastia Liukin and Chellsie Memmel are the two best looking members of our gymnastic team.

Dude, NO, Alicia Sacramone is way better looking than either of them.

I would do EXTRAORDINARILY unpleasant things to her.

Why would you do unpleasant things to her? I think too much pron has messed up this generation.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Shooks
China should be embarrassed, fucking cheaters

Of course, there are no cheaters in the US of A. Don't be so blind.

Yeah we fake the passports of our athletes every Olympics. And yeah we paid off the judges to give Liukin and Johnson much lower scores then they deserved while turning a blind eye to Chinese mistakes. Your user name is quite appropriate.

Apparently you don't remember America's doping scandals? And where's your proof that China fakes the passports in every Olympics? I don't remember this being an issue in the past years. Oh, maybe I forgot about that just like how you forgot about Marion Jones?

Again, my post was only to point out that there are cheaters in the US. You seem to especially like to bring up claims that's not related to by post. I'm sorry, I picked my username when I was a sophomore in high school and had a lot of respect for the people here, thinking most were smarter than me. Perhaps, I was wrong.

There is a difference between someone that dopes by their own actions and disgraces their country and state sponsored cheating. 1 person in either the 2000 or 2004 Olympics from China admitted being 14 when competing.

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: mugs
Americans who cheat are an embarrassment to our country. China makes it obvious that they're cheating, and it's a source of national pride.

How can you say China takes pride in cheaters? Are you saying that the average Chinese citizen is somehow different from the average US citizen? If these gymnasts are indeed proven to be underage, everyone in China will be agry at the government. Please stop making racial remarks like that.

Maybe I'm misreading it, but I think his main point is/was the fact that if the Chinese girls are underage, their documents must have been forged by the Chinese Government. You keep bringing up the fact about Marion Jones, doping, etc., which is apples and oranges. And racial remarks? LOL is my only response to that.

Uh, I've brought up doping once. Saying that China (i.e. all Chinese people) takes pride in cheating isn't racial? no?

Your name fits you well.

Wow, thats the best you can come up with?

No, but its easier than continuing to argue with you.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Shooks
China should be embarrassed, fucking cheaters

Of course, there are no cheaters in the US of A. Don't be so blind.

Yeah we fake the passports of our athletes every Olympics. And yeah we paid off the judges to give Liukin and Johnson much lower scores then they deserved while turning a blind eye to Chinese mistakes. Your user name is quite appropriate.

Apparently you don't remember America's doping scandals? And where's your proof that China fakes the passports in every Olympics? I don't remember this being an issue in the past years. Oh, maybe I forgot about that just like how you forgot about Marion Jones?

Again, my post was only to point out that there are cheaters in the US.

There's a difference between suspected government sponsored cheating (the 13 & 14 year old Chinese gymnasts) and an athlete circumventing the rules on their own. Marion Jones was not give steroids by the U.S. Government and was, in fact, prosecuted (and convicted) by the U.S. government for her involvment in BALCO.

I agree, but as of now, no one has solid proof of these accusations. I would be totally convinced if anyone can come up with some proof. If not, we should move on from this issue. Nitemare seems to bring it up every third post.

Proof being the news reports in China of her competitions last year stating she was ~13 years old?

My personal gut feeling is that some of the Chinese gymnast are underaged but web sites and prior news reports aren't really proof in my opinion.

Some have used the fact that several Chinese web sites had the same age as proof because it would be too much of a coincidence.

But have you noticed something about our news and websites? A lot of times when I go to web sites of FoxNews, CBS News, Washington Post, CNN etc. I see the same news story which was written by AP News. A lot of our news site seem to share the same writers or something. So, if a particular news story got something wrong then all our web sites would get it wrong.

Also, there is a lot of copy and pasting going on in the web. I've seen people complain about some tech web sites plagiarizing other tech web sites for information. So, in my opinion, basing your accusations on web sites is not the strongest of proof.

 

[sciwizam]

I don't know if anyone posted this link yet, but here it is Ring The Bela

Short interviews with Bela Karolyi and various other gymnasts.

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Shooks
China should be embarrassed, fucking cheaters

Of course, there are no cheaters in the US of A. Don't be so blind.

Yeah we fake the passports of our athletes every Olympics. And yeah we paid off the judges to give Liukin and Johnson much lower scores then they deserved while turning a blind eye to Chinese mistakes. Your user name is quite appropriate.

Apparently you don't remember America's doping scandals? And where's your proof that China fakes the passports in every Olympics? I don't remember this being an issue in the past years. Oh, maybe I forgot about that just like how you forgot about Marion Jones?

Again, my post was only to point out that there are cheaters in the US.

There's a difference between suspected government sponsored cheating (the 13 & 14 year old Chinese gymnasts) and an athlete circumventing the rules on their own. Marion Jones was not give steroids by the U.S. Government and was, in fact, prosecuted (and convicted) by the U.S. government for her involvment in BALCO.

I agree, but as of now, no one has solid proof of these accusations. I would be totally convinced if anyone can come up with some proof. If not, we should move on from this issue. Nitemare seems to bring it up every third post.

Proof being the news reports in China of her competitions last year stating she was ~13 years old?

My personal gut feeling is that some of the Chinese gymnast are underaged but web sites and prior news reports aren't really proof in my opinion.

Some have used the fact that several Chinese web sites had the same age as proof because it would be too much of a coincidence.

But have you noticed something about our news and websites? A lot of times when I go to web sites of FoxNews, CBS News, Washington Post, CNN etc. I see the same news story which was written by AP News. A lot of our news site seem to share the same writers or something. So, if a particular news story got something wrong then all our web sites would get it wrong.

Also, there is a lot of copy and pasting going on in the web. I've seen people complain about some tech web sites plagiarizing other tech web sites for information. So, in my opinion, basing your accusations on web sites is not the strongest of proof.

It isn't possible to prove, if the Government doesn't want it to be. The reason I think its true is the fact that the news reports stated the younger age, the Government removed it as soon as it was found, and the previous Chinese girl who admitted that her age was lied about.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Shooks
China should be embarrassed, fucking cheaters

Of course, there are no cheaters in the US of A. Don't be so blind.

Yeah we fake the passports of our athletes every Olympics. And yeah we paid off the judges to give Liukin and Johnson much lower scores then they deserved while turning a blind eye to Chinese mistakes. Your user name is quite appropriate.

Apparently you don't remember America's doping scandals? And where's your proof that China fakes the passports in every Olympics? I don't remember this being an issue in the past years. Oh, maybe I forgot about that just like how you forgot about Marion Jones?

Again, my post was only to point out that there are cheaters in the US.

There's a difference between suspected government sponsored cheating (the 13 & 14 year old Chinese gymnasts) and an athlete circumventing the rules on their own. Marion Jones was not give steroids by the U.S. Government and was, in fact, prosecuted (and convicted) by the U.S. government for her involvment in BALCO.

I agree, but as of now, no one has solid proof of these accusations. I would be totally convinced if anyone can come up with some proof. If not, we should move on from this issue. Nitemare seems to bring it up every third post.

Proof being the news reports in China of her competitions last year stating she was ~13 years old?

My personal gut feeling is that some of the Chinese gymnast are underaged but web sites and prior news reports aren't really proof in my opinion.

Some have used the fact that several Chinese web sites had the same age as proof because it would be too much of a coincidence.

But have you noticed something about our news and websites? A lot of times when I go to web sites of FoxNews, CBS News, Washington Post, CNN etc. I see the same news story which was written by AP News. A lot of our news site seem to share the same writers or something. So, if a particular news story got something wrong then all our web sites would get it wrong.

Also, there is a lot of copy and pasting going on in the web. I've seen people complain about some tech web sites plagiarizing other tech web sites for information. So, in my opinion, basing your accusations on web sites is not the strongest of proof.

It isn't possible to prove, if the Government doesn't want it to be. The reason I think its true is the fact that the news reports stated the younger age, the Government removed it as soon as it was found, and the previous Chinese girl who admitted that her age was lied about.

Take them to a non-Chinese doctor for a physical, preferably someone in a non-communist country.

 

[SOSTrooper]

Looks like a good day for the American gymnastic team finally. Shawn Johnson finally got her gold and Jonathan Horton got silver on horizontal bar.

 

[stupidkid]

Wow I'm surprised Lolo Jones didn't get a medal.

 

[dennilfloss]

Four more medals for Canada. Up to 13 now. 🙂

 

[AstroManLuca]

It doesn't matter how much anyone proves that the Chinese gymnasts are underage. The Chinese government will simply deny it anyway. The government there has a very strong desire to control the truth, but even when they do a bad job of it, they still will never admit that they're wrong. It would require some huge revelation for them to admit to anything, but in this case, I don't think it's possible for there to be any such revelation.

Furthermore, as long as the government's official line is that the gymnasts are not underage, a large portion of the Chinese population will simply believe them, no matter what. It's not racist, it's the truth - the Chinese government manipulates its people, and it doesn't even need to do a good job of it because a lot of the people there don't require any proof, they'll always agree with the government's position.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Four more medals for Canada. Up to 13 now. 🙂

Who got their first one?

was it cockburn?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
It doesn't matter how much anyone proves that the Chinese gymnasts are underage. The Chinese government will simply deny it anyway. The government there has a very strong desire to control the truth, but even when they do a bad job of it, they still will never admit that they're wrong. It would require some huge revelation for them to admit to anything, but in this case, I don't think it's possible for there to be any such revelation.

Furthermore, as long as the government's official line is that the gymnasts are not underage, a large portion of the Chinese population will simply believe them, no matter what. It's not racist, it's the truth - the Chinese government manipulates its people, and it doesn't even need to do a good job of it because a lot of the people there don't require any proof, they'll always agree with the government's position.

It wouldn't be as bad if they used 14 and 15 year olds, but they are using 12-13 year olds and expect to get away with it.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

wow, so our womens volleyball team is starting to look good towards the end of this match, just need to wrap up this nice come from behind that was looking pretty scary half way through

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: stupidkid

Originally posted by: Shooks
China should be embarrassed, fucking cheaters

Of course, there are no cheaters in the US of A. Don't be so blind.

Yeah we fake the passports of our athletes every Olympics. And yeah we paid off the judges to give Liukin and Johnson much lower scores then they deserved while turning a blind eye to Chinese mistakes. Your user name is quite appropriate.

Apparently you don't remember America's doping scandals? And where's your proof that China fakes the passports in every Olympics? I don't remember this being an issue in the past years. Oh, maybe I forgot about that just like how you forgot about Marion Jones?

Again, my post was only to point out that there are cheaters in the US.

There's a difference between suspected government sponsored cheating (the 13 & 14 year old Chinese gymnasts) and an athlete circumventing the rules on their own. Marion Jones was not give steroids by the U.S. Government and was, in fact, prosecuted (and convicted) by the U.S. government for her involvment in BALCO.

I agree, but as of now, no one has solid proof of these accusations. I would be totally convinced if anyone can come up with some proof. If not, we should move on from this issue. Nitemare seems to bring it up every third post.

Proof being the news reports in China of her competitions last year stating she was ~13 years old?

My personal gut feeling is that some of the Chinese gymnast are underaged but web sites and prior news reports aren't really proof in my opinion.

Some have used the fact that several Chinese web sites had the same age as proof because it would be too much of a coincidence.

But have you noticed something about our news and websites? A lot of times when I go to web sites of FoxNews, CBS News, Washington Post, CNN etc. I see the same news story which was written by AP News. A lot of our news site seem to share the same writers or something. So, if a particular news story got something wrong then all our web sites would get it wrong.

Also, there is a lot of copy and pasting going on in the web. I've seen people complain about some tech web sites plagiarizing other tech web sites for information. So, in my opinion, basing your accusations on web sites is not the strongest of proof.

The problem I see is for several years these same websites and papers were publishing their ages to be under 16 by 2008 yet now they decide its an error? It wasn't like some of the articles were just written around the time of the Olympics.