StormRider
Diamond Member
Nastia's mom is really pretty. It's easy to see where she got her good looks from. I like seeing the interaction between Nastia and her dad -- it seems like they have a good relationship.
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Official Thread of the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games (August 8-24)...
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hellokeith
Golden Member
Way to go Oz for giving the gold to a child. {sigh}
Nevertheless, congrats to Nastia for being the true uneven bars champion!
Congrats to USA Men taking Gold, Silver, & Bronze in hurdles!
Nevertheless, congrats to Nastia for being the true uneven bars champion!
Congrats to USA Men taking Gold, Silver, & Bronze in hurdles!
Ballatician
Golden Member
Like I said it wasn't really that bad. It's good for the media of course because they care much more about drama than any actual athletics. The beginning of tonight's TV coverage covered so much old crap that had nothing to do with the actual events going on but provided good drama. How about show some more pole vaulting or long jump.
KaOTiK
Lifer
I love watching the Olympics and really enjoy watching the gymnastics but seriously there are some major issues.
Nastia has been unfairly judged a lot during these games, she consistently been scored lower then she should, especially when compared to other athletes that would make the same mistakes.
Consistency, there hasn't really been any. One athlete will do the same exact routine as another yet will make more and/or bigger errors yet still receive the same scores.
FIG needs to a swift kick in the ass and seriously needs to investigate issues that are brought up on age. They really portray a "We don't care" attitude.
Sports that require judges for the scoring really kill the games. All the judges really need to be trained throughly before hand.
The really bad and inconsistent judging really ruined the competition aspect of gymnastics for me.
Nastia has been unfairly judged a lot during these games, she consistently been scored lower then she should, especially when compared to other athletes that would make the same mistakes.
Consistency, there hasn't really been any. One athlete will do the same exact routine as another yet will make more and/or bigger errors yet still receive the same scores.
FIG needs to a swift kick in the ass and seriously needs to investigate issues that are brought up on age. They really portray a "We don't care" attitude.
Sports that require judges for the scoring really kill the games. All the judges really need to be trained throughly before hand.
The really bad and inconsistent judging really ruined the competition aspect of gymnastics for me.
AstroManLuca
Lifer
Lotsa drama. It's infuriating. I mean, I know, it's just a piece of metal they hang around a little girl's neck, but it really does seem totally random this time around. These girls work hard their whole lives for these medals and the judging should be fair.
Thing is, in the past, I know there have always been judging controversies. Such is the case with any subjective sport. But this time around, it seems as though there have been many situations where the best performance didn't receive the gold medal. Worse, outright poor performances (the women's vault in this case) were rewarded with medals. I remember watching gymnastics at the Olympics in 1996, 2000, and 2004, and in almost every case, I felt that the three best performances got medals (I didn't catch the men's high bar in 2004 though, which of course had that major judging controversy associated with it).
I think the problem lies with the new scoring system. Looking past any possibly biased judges, the new scoring system gives too much reward to gymnasts who go for very difficult routines. They add more difficult techniques, knowing that they automatically get free points for doing them, and that any small slip-ups they make are only tiny deductions. Essentially, risk vs. reward has been replaced with just reward. I've seen swings of up to a full point separating the A scores of easy and hard routines. If a gymnast decides to add a 0.2-point extra to her dismount, for instance, she automatically gets those points. Then if she takes a big step on the landing because she bit off more than she could chew, she only loses 0.1-0.3 points. Sprinkle a few extra tricks into the routine and you've got a big cushion to balance out deductions.
What it does is it encourages overly risky routines, but worse, it de-emphasizes the classical focus on perfection in gymnastics. I think the best way to fix the new system would be to significantly increase deductions. Make all those little deductions really hurt to encourage a cleaner delivery over flashy tricks.
Thing is, in the past, I know there have always been judging controversies. Such is the case with any subjective sport. But this time around, it seems as though there have been many situations where the best performance didn't receive the gold medal. Worse, outright poor performances (the women's vault in this case) were rewarded with medals. I remember watching gymnastics at the Olympics in 1996, 2000, and 2004, and in almost every case, I felt that the three best performances got medals (I didn't catch the men's high bar in 2004 though, which of course had that major judging controversy associated with it).
I think the problem lies with the new scoring system. Looking past any possibly biased judges, the new scoring system gives too much reward to gymnasts who go for very difficult routines. They add more difficult techniques, knowing that they automatically get free points for doing them, and that any small slip-ups they make are only tiny deductions. Essentially, risk vs. reward has been replaced with just reward. I've seen swings of up to a full point separating the A scores of easy and hard routines. If a gymnast decides to add a 0.2-point extra to her dismount, for instance, she automatically gets those points. Then if she takes a big step on the landing because she bit off more than she could chew, she only loses 0.1-0.3 points. Sprinkle a few extra tricks into the routine and you've got a big cushion to balance out deductions.
What it does is it encourages overly risky routines, but worse, it de-emphasizes the classical focus on perfection in gymnastics. I think the best way to fix the new system would be to significantly increase deductions. Make all those little deductions really hurt to encourage a cleaner delivery over flashy tricks.
noto12ious
Golden Member
I love all this crying.
F China. No, F Australia. No, F the IOC. LOL.
F China. No, F Australia. No, F the IOC. LOL.
yankeesfan
Diamond Member
Blah blah blah 9/11 conspiracy. Blah blah blah proletariat.
chuckywang
Lifer
And of course Bernard wanted to "smash the Americans."
noto12ious
Golden Member
blah blah blah 9/11 truth 🙂
oh yeah, my sig > you.
dennilfloss
Past Lifer 1957-2014 In Memoriam
Canada just got its 10th medal (silver) in the men's triathlon.😎
We need 5 more to reach our objective.
We need 5 more to reach our objective.
chuckywang
Lifer
Both are trash talking.
Megatomic
Lifer
Is there anyone else here that feels like the US olympic triathletes need to be picked in a different manner than they currently are? I'm like 99% certain that Andy Potts would have done better than Kemper, Shoemaker, and Reed. Kemper did OK with 7th place, but Shoemaker and Reed were never even in the race IMO.
StinkyPinky
Diamond Member
Since when do Australians wear black?
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