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lk2500

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It is sad that the best players, as in best people, get such little recognition while we hear about the divas constantly. But, I guess spending most of your free time visiting fans, children, and veterans isn't as interesting as spending it with underage hookers and blow.

Yes, it is a fact that Wilson visits Children's Hospital in Seattle regularly.

However, so does Richard Sherman. He's been working with developmentally disabled kids his entire life (his mom's occupation) and continually promotes education for under privileged kids. He does make a fool/arse out of himself at times but he does have some redeeming qualities:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1208083/1/index.htm
 

smackababy

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Yeah, they weren't the tightest spirals for sure. I'm not sure if that's why D Thomas had problems bringing some of them in or if it was just him. He seems to be the most drop prone on the team recently for some reason.

Isn't Manning known for having a loose spiral? I thought that was one of his "flaws" his entire career.

People complaining about the calls in the NFC championship is kind of funny. I agree it was a bad call on that SF fumble recovery and injury by Bowman; but Russell Wilson, being the classy guy he is, "misplaced" the football in a give to Lynch to let SF get the ball back. Kaep throwing an INT right after was a big deal. The final INT wasn't so much of a bad throw, but just a phenomenal play by Sherman and hustle by whoever actually caught the ball.
 
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lupi

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There was only one bad call and via the following play it resulted in the niners getting about 10 free yards. Kinda hard to say that had a negative effect on them.
 

lupi

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Did find it interesting that the betting line actually opened a couple points in seattle's favor and shifted heavily since to denver.
 

dank69

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There was only one bad call and via the following play it resulted in the niners getting about 10 free yards. Kinda hard to say that had a negative effect on them.
Except for that running into the kicker thing that would have extended an already semi-successful drive.
 

rudeguy

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There was only one bad call and via the following play it resulted in the niners getting about 10 free yards. Kinda hard to say that had a negative effect on them.

There was more than one bad call and you know it. You aren't ignorant, please don't pretend to be.
 

lupi

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Yall are really stretching things.

As far as the punter goes, incoming guys gets pushed to the ground as a block, hits the ground and slides into the punters ankle. Far from some egregious act.
 

smackababy

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Yall are really stretching things.

As far as the punter goes, incoming guys gets pushed to the ground as a block, hits the ground and slides into the punters ankle. Far from some egregious act.

I believe the guy was actually blocked into the punter, or at least pushed in the back and slid into the punter. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that on the replay.

As far as the implications of that penalty, SF was at their own 20, after a touchback following a SEA score. They did nothing in their 3 plays prior. The drive was going nowhere. SF also had the lead. It was near the end of the 3rd quarter. If you think this had some real impact on SF losing the game, you're crazy. While the call itself might have been bad, it didn't impact the game much.
 

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For the Broncos run defense, they stopped the Pat's "Power Run" and they stopped Woodhead just fine last week and Jamal Charles was limited in those 2 meetings also.

The 49ers stuff opposing teams rushers all year yet Lynch piled up 98 and 109 yards.

The bad ref calls are the only thing that saved Seattle against San Francisco. It was suppose to be a Kaepernick vs. Manning Super Bowl.

Broncos all the way.

There was more than one bad call and you know it. You aren't ignorant, please don't pretend to be.

But looking at the game-thread it is also unfair to say, as many are, that the calls were clearly biased against San Francisco (some even think it cost them the game). I think outside the Bowman play there were a LOT of missed called, on both sides, and the refs just let them play. Not the best officiated game but I don't see a glaring unbalance that forced a SF lost.

Nothing need be said about the Bowman strip/fumble recovery. Clearly SF ball. Disastrous play immediately rectified, in San Fran's favor, with the fumble the next play. This could have been an unfortunate game changer and is unacceptable. The refs need to do a better job. That said from side angles there are bodies obscuring the view of the ball, thus replay needs to change on this as I can see why the refs missed it. Glad the call was irrelevant.

They also missed a face mask on Richardo Locket against LeMichael James when Locket blew James up on the punt return. This should have been called. I was ticked with they missed it last week when a Saint ripped off Baldwin's helmet and this is no different. They have to call this stuff.

The punt foul is more of a grey area based on how that is often interpreted/called. The sequence is also important as those penalties do NOT apply if the player is pushed. In this play 42 (Maragos) was pushed out and backwards as he was releasing to jump for the block. The resulted in him traveling back more than cross ways. When 42 landed the punter was still in the air. There is an arguement this should have NOT been called.

But let's not pretent all the calls went against the 49ers.

Kaepernick kicking the ball, preventing a nearly certain Seattle fumble recovery, was egregious in my opinion. This was a huge play as it prevented a turnover; the loss of down and penalty yards would have made the touchdown pass much less likely.

On a number of Kaepernick's long runs there was blatant holding. One example is a Seattle lineman was hugged and in another held from behind and brought down. Ridiculous no calls that aided huge runs by San Fran. Yet somehow a Seattle player has the smallest flinch gets a false start yet the SF Offensive line wiggled constantly.

How about Jeremy Lane getting clobbered on the San Fran sideline? Worse yet is why he wasn't running in the white stripe: there were 49 coaches in the zone. That should be a penalty. Heck, Harbaugh was on the field throughout the game throwing monster tantrums. One time his flailing arms nicks a ref.

Boldin forearm push off on Earl Thomas on his TD catch. Thomas even mentioned it, in a flattering way, during the press conference. Boldin is known for getting away with OPI as he loves to use his forearms.

Other calls are the annoying, "One team can do it, but not the other." e.g. Sherman holding call (I believe on Crabtree) when the previous play was clearly worse when, iirc it was Boldin, was all over him. And yet when Jermane Kearse caught his touchdown before the ball even gets there the DB (pretty sure it was Rodgers) had his right hand around Kearse pulling him. Blatant PI. No flag.

I don't think Aikman helped with the impression of biased officiating as he made comments throughout the broadcast. But in one example he was dead wrong. The hit on Luke Wilson is absolutely a penalty. There are things you cannot do as a defender: Launch, as in leave you feet. Lead with the crown of your helmet. Strike the head or neck of a defenseless receiver--"strike" includes the defenders helmet or shoulder pads. Wilson was clearly defenseless. Hitner/Witner clearly hit him in the head.

San Francisco lost for a lot of reasons, but it wasn't the officiating. Don't get me wrong, the refs were not great. But outside the one egregious play, which was nullified, the ref calls were pretty equal.

San Fran lost because they did not contain Lynch in the 2nd half and allowed him to get 100+ yards. Seattle out coached them in the 2nd half, especially with the move to more zone coverage to prevent Kaepernick from running wild. San Fran lost because Seattle was able to turn a 3-25 into a touch down. Seattle won because they forced 3 turnovers on San Fran's last 3 drives. After being down 10-0 Seattle won because the outscored San Francisco 23-7. Seattle won because outside Kaepernick's run SF could not run the ball and Kaepernick didn't break 100 yards passing until the very last drive. And of course San Fran lost the game because they had 2 timeouts, 1-10 on the 18 yard line and Kaepernick locks onto Crabtree matched up against Sherman. The same Sherman who lead the league with the best INT/Target ratio and a ton of defended passes.
 

smackababy

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And of course San Fran lost the game because they had 2 timeouts, 1-10 on the 18 yard line and Kaepernick locks onto Crabtree matched up against Sherman. The same Sherman who lead the league with the best INT/Target ratio and a ton of defended passes.

I agree with almost everything you said, except this. That pass was in a good spot. Crabtree would have had the TD against almost any other DB. Sherman's size and his ability to make that terrific play was not the fault of Kaep so much as it was Sherman just making a great play. I'd wager that against any other DB in the league, save for a few, that deflection wouldn't have happened. It would have been a Crabtree catch, or an incomplete pass. Some people might not agree with Kaep going for the endzone on 1-10 there, but in most situations, that is a TD, not a INT to lose the game. I don't fault him for that.
 

dank69

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A semi-successful drive? You mean a punt on 4th and 10, 3 and out drive?
Derp. I must have been thinking of a different drive. Anyway, Seattle scored on that drive when they shouldn't even have had the ball.
 

RampantAndroid

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There was only one bad call and via the following play it resulted in the niners getting about 10 free yards. Kinda hard to say that had a negative effect on them.

Well, there were a bunch of bad calls. For example Kaepernick's first fumble, he kicked the ball - that should have resulted in a flag and the ball being Seattle's. Overall the calls weren't too bad though.
 

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I agree with almost everything you said, except this. That pass was in a good spot. Crabtree would have had the TD against almost any other DB. Sherman's size and his ability to make that terrific play was not the fault of Kaep so much as it was Sherman just making a great play. I'd wager that against any other DB in the league, save for a few, that deflection wouldn't have happened. It would have been a Crabtree catch, or an incomplete pass. Some people might not agree with Kaep going for the endzone on 1-10 there, but in most situations, that is a TD, not a INT to lose the game. I don't fault him for that.

In general I agree. They had time, downs, and timeouts but if the opportunity is there you go for it.

The issue, and why I still feel Kap is at fault, is because in his own words he knew Sherman was there (bad matchup), he has other great targets in Boldin and Davis, and also in his own words he "locked in" on Crabtree and he intended to send the ball Crabtree's way before the snap.

Sherman is a stud and was lights out yesterday. He is also 6-3 so trying to get the ball over him in the corner of the endzone when Sherman *knows* San Fran needs a TD (not a FG) is just a bad decision.

If Crabtree was covered by Earl Thomas we could talk. But Kap made what I think are rookie mistakes in picking a bad match up pre-snap and then locking in on it even though it wasn't there. The odds were against him.

Boldin/Maxwell, Davis/Chancelor or Wright, a back out of the backfield into the flat or in the belly of the field would have been places I looked first.

Heck, I would have called a run or even another Kap rollout/run :p Kap had not shown all game he could throw against Seattle.
 

gorcorps

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I feel like I'm having to point out the OP again because we're getting off topic (I'm partially to blame too):

SUNDAY, FEB. 2, 6:30 p.m. ET, MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, N.J.

Seattle Vs Denver

I am making this thread early to give us a place to talk about the game. Please leave discussions of the previous game(s) and what went down in that thread.
 

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So, what unit is going to win? Denver’s league best pass offense or Seattle’s league best pass defense?

While Denver is quite capable of blowing Seattle out I think Seattle can win, could even win big. Being a homer I will pick Seattle (just know my pick means nothing and I don’t guarantee it). I think Seattle will win because I think Seattle wins 3 of the 4 major match ups and the 4th, pass defense versus Denver’s passing offense, is almost a wash.

SEA Rush vs. DEN Rush Defense. This is a bad match up for Denver as Seattle has a top tier running attack and Denver’s run defense is pedestrian at best (see: big leads padding defensive rush stats). Seattle clearly was saving the Beast the last 5 or 6 games of the season. Back-to-back 100+ games in the playoffs is impressive. Someone was pointing out how DEN shut down New England’s rush attack. The check-and-mate for that argument is 100+ against the much, much better 49er run defense. And I bet we see something we have not seen half the season: Wilson on the run. Last game of the season so you let it all go. And the final wrinkle: Harvin. He is dangerous on the fly sweep and as a legit pass threat it draws defenders out of the box and forces the safeties deep. Seattle has the horses to run all over Denver.

SEA Pass vs. DEN Pass Defense. I am conflicted on Wilson’s recent games. He has clearly struggled (hand offs to the wrong side multiple times, fumbled snap, bad hand offs, running backwards, missing wide open receivers, not pulling the trigger on very wide open receivers like the Harvin screen). But on the other hand Seattle continues to win and Wilson continues to make the right adjustment, right reads, makes the big plays and doesn’t turn the ball over much. He is more than a game manager but he is not carrying the team or playing at the level he was early on. Part of that is the bad line, part of that is losing Rice and not having Harvin, and part of that is the fact Seattle has been playing great defenses and Carroll’s approach is the Seattle defense can win the game so Wilson needs to protect the ball. But there is no getting around teams are covering the flats and using more zone to prevent scrambles and FORCE him to make reads. That he is struggling can be seen in the issues with fundamentals like snaps and handoffs. That said Wilson is very good. If Seattle can run, and I think they can, then Seattle will be able to run play action, both in the pocket and on rollouts. Having Harvin on the field also makes everyone else better. Denver’s pass defense doesn’t scare anyone and the less of a starting CB two weeks ago doesn’t help. Denver could really use a player like Von Miller to pressure Wilson regularly.

DEN Rush vs. SEA Rush Defense. Denver can clearly run the ball. But I think it is largely predicated on teams having to defend the pass. The backs Seattle has struggled with are smaller athletic backs with slashing, gashing styles. Aside from a couple 200+ games, a time when Wagner was playing hurt and the defense was playing undisciplined gap control, Seattle’s run defense has been nasty against backs. Seeing as Manning is not Kap I don’t think a running QB is the issue. Where Denver could do some damage is by making Kam Chancelor play back to respect the pass and catch Seattle looking for pass with smaller D lineman on the field.

DEN Pass vs. SEA Pass Defense. Denver set a bazillion passing records. 55 touch downs and over 5,000 yards. Wow! They have 4 legit pass receivers not including backs out of the backfield. They have the smartest QB in the game, maybe ever. Denver wants redemption for last year and Manning wants to anchor his legacy. And the pass game is here to make it happen. You could heap superlatives on the pass game all day, especially how fantastic the line has been, but everyone has talked about it all season. Best offensive team in history.

Unfortunately for Denver this plays into Seattle’s strength as they have 3 all-pro pass defenders and a deep pass rush. Seattle has four good corners in Sherman, Maxwell, Thurmond, and Lane in addition to Kam in Earl in the back. Seattle’s corners press hard disrupting quick timing routes which gives their pass rush some time to get to the QB. And that is the key. If Seattle takes away the short routes and Seattle gets a real pass rush Denver is in deep trouble. But if the o line keeps Manning clean the Denver receivers are going to wiggle free and be in position for big plays. It is nearly unthinkable for Seattle to shut down the Denver passing attack. Denver will get their plays. The question is can Seattle limit it and disrupt the rhythm? Can Seattle keep shutting down TEs or will they revert to early season form and be exploited? Denver’s passing attack can be slowed and Seattle can be passed on (over 300 yards in the first half against Houston).

Both units are good enough to blow out the other. Would anyone be surprised if Manning through 3 interceptions and had a strip-sack? Would anyone be surprised if Manning through for 400 yards and 4 touchdowns and no INTs? If there is any squad in the NFL who can match Denver’s pass offense it is Seattle. The question is can Seattle stop the best pass offense, ever, in the biggest game? If Seattle cannot significantly slow Denver’s pass attack the odds of Seattle winning are slim to none.

Special Teams. A wash. Good coverage and return units. Not to say a big return or fumble could not turn the game, because it could.

X-Factors. Percy Harvin. Weather.

The keys to the game for Seattle will be:

Control field position. Make Manning march the long field.
Control time of possession. Sit Manning down.
Make Manning uncomfortable. He is more prone to mistakes when under heavy pressure.
Win the turnover battle. Seattle needs to win the turnover differential to off-set the potent Denver offense.
Limit Denver to Field Goals in the Red Zone. Seattle had the best red zone defense in the league.
Wilson needs to be better. More accurate, fewer mistakes (fumbles, etc), and sustaining drives.

I think Seattle could pull off this gameplan. Of course Denver could just throw for a bazillion yards. So tell me why I am a newb homer and Denver is going to light Sherman up like a Christmas tree!

Go Hawks!
 

smackababy

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I think Seattle will limit Denver's scoring, but only enough for it not be a blowout. Seattle will have to rely on Wilson, Lynch, and their special teams to get them into the end zone. They need good returns, short fields, and Wilson to be on point. They can't settle for field goals, especially late in the game. If they can do that AND control the clock, they should win. Otherwise, I think even their defenses best game of the season won't stop Manning and his receivers enough to eek out a win. If their offense plays similar to how they played against SF, Denver takes it. If Seattle plays like they did against Jacksonville, it might be enough to win.

I generally think defense wins championships, but against the best offense in history, you gotta put up points.

Big keys for Denver are them playing physical against the DBs. I think Welker will be shut down, but Demaryius Thomas and Julius Thomas are going to have a much easier time against Seattle's big DBs. Decker will most likely have a big game. He is easily going to have the easier coverage and is big enough to get a good release.

I just hope it is a good game. I've love for it to come down to the last play on the last drive. I don't care which team wins (I like Wilson, but Manning isn't that bad of a guy either), I just don't want some snoozefest blow out.
 

zinfamous

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The bad ref calls are the only thing that saved Seattle against San Francisco. It was suppose to be a Kaepernick vs. Manning Super Bowl.

Broncos all the way.

sorry, there were no game-changing bad calls in that one. The BS non-turnover ended up being a turnover on the next snap, and actually put SF in better position than they otherwise would have been.
 

Meghan54

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Best stats I've heard so far....

In Super Bowls with the #1 Offense, the #1 Offense has gone 10-8

In Super Bowls with the #1 Defense, the #1 Defense has gone 12-3

This Super Bowl features the #1 Offense vs. the #1 Defense.
 

lupi

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I like kornheiser's idea on the point after. Put it at the 10 if they want to try for 2, or put it at the 30 to try for 1.